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How to Charge Your Cellphone Using Wasted Heat

Ilya writes "Companies such as BMW are investing in Thermoelectric Generators to make their cars more efficient by replacing the alternator. Thermoelectric Generators convert wasted heat from the engine into electrical power. This green instructable shows how you can use the same technology right now at home to harvest expelled heat from home appliances to charge your cellphone and other gadgets. Also features a lego racer powered by the roaring flames of a tea candle."

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  1. BWM makes awesome cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    BWM makes awesome cars

    1. Re:BWM makes awesome cars by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      I prefer Adui. You can't beat their Quartto transmission on a wet road.

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  2. I charge my cellphone while riding my Carnot cycle by thomasdz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I like to work out in my rec. room with various exercise equipment. My favorite? The Carnot cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnot_heat_engine)
    I just hop on and convert all the waste heat in the room to useful energy

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  3. Wish I could harvest the power from my farts..... by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 2, Funny

    I could probably power a small village :-)

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  4. Re:Wish I could harvest the power from my farts... by d474 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did you customize that sig to your comment, or should you go see a doctor about your explosive flatulence problem?

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  5. Sipping From a Firehose by lobiusmoop · · Score: 4, Informative

    Given that the average American consumes 13,500KWh per year, getting a couple of Watt-hours into your phone from wasted heat instead of the grid isn't going to make a damn bit of difference.

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    1. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

      How many cheeseburgers per cubic library of congress is that?

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    2. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by Toonol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's vastly more efficient, and probably less expensive, to redesign the Dryer/Air Conditioner/whatever to waste less heat in the first place. So I'm not really disagreeing with you, but I feel that it's a bit more of a feel good effort than an actual relevant solution.

    3. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, since we can't solve the problem in one step, we should never proceed

      To restate your premise:

      Given that the average American drives 8500 miles per year, spending one day a month bicycling to work isn't going to make a damn bit of difference.

    4. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by chromas · · Score: 5, Funny

      I used to have neighbors who would leave their air conditioners running all day, then, when they came home, they'd let the doors hang open for a while to let some warm in. Less stupid people could help, too.

    5. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by camperdave · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why do air conditioners not come with clocks, so they can be set to be on at specific times?

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    6. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some do. Actually, some of them even come with these nifty "thermostats" where you can have them come on only when it gets too hot. And if you look even more, you can find a thermostat coupled with a clock so you can set it to different temperatures at different times! Technology really is amazing.

    7. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Additionally, such waste heat might not actually be "free" - depending on some of the implementation details.

      The engine works by generating heat and then converting it to mechanical motion while dissipating that heat to a cold sink. If you don't "waste" that heat by sending it to a cold sink then the engine operates less efficiently.

      Again, it depends on the details - the energy might be "free," or it might just rob the engine of power just as an alternator does. You can't get around the laws of thermodynamics, though...

    8. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by DirtyUncleRon69 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I worked at Toyota for a while we have been talking about this for at least a year. The technology has been around for a long time, but we usually call them thermocouples. It's exactly the same concept, except they need to be much larger, and have a much higher temperature differential to be useful. The main problem is the size and weight. The weight is significant when you're looking to reduce mass to improve fuel economy, and obviously it adds cost to the vehicle.

      As for extracted heat reducing the efficiency of the engine, after heat leaves the cylinder head, unless it is used to do work (as in a turbocharger) it is waste.

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    9. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by green1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Currently automotive engines use a radiator to get rid of excess heat (internal combustion engines generate quite a bit of unwanted heat) usually the combination of a fan, and the movement of the car through the air, serve to cool the radiator so that it can accept more heat from the engine. Without a radiator the car would quickly overheat, which can cause (among other issues) cracked heads and/or engine blocks.

      The alternator currently makes the engine work slightly harder (using more fuel and generating even more heat) to create electricity. By replacing it with a device like this which does not require the work of an alternator, and using the abundant "waste" heat, a vehicle would be more fuel efficient, and as an added bonus, the cooling system would be more efficient.

      The bigger question than whether the engine will be more efficient or not, is whether the extra efficiency gained outweighs the extra costs and complications, and whether the new system can generate enough electricity to power all the accessories and charge the battery, especially on short trips on cold days where it takes longer for the engine to warm up (and therefore start producing electricity) and where the load demanded to start the engine drains the battery further.

    10. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by kpainter · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have my thermostat programmed to get me a beer since she is half-way to the kitchen anyways.

    11. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by lobiusmoop · · Score: 4, Informative

      OK fine I will run the numbers for you:
      One day a month is statistically significant at around 3%.

      My cellphone battery is 3.V, 750mAh, or about 3Watt-hours capacity. Emptying/charging it every week of the year gives about 150Wh consumption then, compared to 13,500,000Wh an American uses a year, or about 0.001%. This is statistically insignificant.

      Hopefully that makes things a bit clearer for you.

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    12. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by camperdave · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm being serious. I have yet to see a window mount air conditioner with a clock.

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    13. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by palegray.net · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can set your thermostat via the the Internet, too.

    14. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...because they are two complicated.

      Yeah, just like homophones!

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    15. Re:Sipping From a Firehose by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      just like homophones!

      Like this?

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  6. At last! by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Funny

    finally someone invents a use for the formerly useless lego mindstorms thermal sensor. Use it to let your mindstorms bot find a recharging stations

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  7. laptop heat? can that be used to charge it self? by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    laptop heat? can that be used to charge it self?

  8. Re:BWM? by Anonymusing · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seriously: major typo in the summary, folks.

    Many years ago, I worked with an ad exec who had (much previously) pitched a campaign to BMW. His agency lost the bid to another agency, even though they thought they had an innovative ad concept. Some months later, he was reviewing the posters and realized they had printed "BWM" in multiple places, in very large type, and nobody at the agency had noticed prior to the presentation. Ooops.

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  9. Thermodynamics by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is something I never quite grasped from physical chemistry class. Obviously you can reclaim some energy from heat, but you can't reclaim it all, as that would break the 3rd law of thermodynamics. How much energy can you actually reclaim from a given amount of heat? Is it a constant fraction, if so where does that number come from? Is it variable? If so, what does that number depend on?

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    1. Re:Thermodynamics by edittard · · Score: 2, Informative

      It depends on the temperature difference between the heat source and the heat sink; the higher the difference, the more efficient the conversion.

      P.S. Ever heard of google?

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    2. Re:Thermodynamics by mmontour · · Score: 2, Informative

      How much energy can you actually reclaim from a given amount of heat? Is it a constant fraction, if so where does that number come from?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnot_cycle

      For each unit of heat energy, the maximum amount of work (useful energy extracted) is (1 - Tc/Th), where Tc and Th are the temperatures of the cold and hot side of the process.

    3. Re:Thermodynamics by AnotherBlackHat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obviously you can reclaim some energy from heat, but you can't reclaim it all, as that would break the 3rd law of thermodynamics.

      That's the 2nd law, not 3rd.

      1st law - You can't win.
      2nd law - You can't even tie.
      3rd law - You can't get out of the game.

    4. Re:Thermodynamics by TerranFury · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As other posters have mentioned the physical limit you're concerned with is the Carnot efficiency.

      One view of things not yet mentioned by posters is that energy is not what matters but exergy -- the capacity to do work. A bathtub full of lukewarm water contains a great deal of energy, but little exergy. In general, electrical and mechanical energy has a lot of exergy; thermal energy is as low-exergy as you can get, especially at low temperatures.

      Note that the above is really just a rephrasing of the idea of entropy.

    5. Re:Thermodynamics by jabithew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      P.S. Ever heard of google?

      Please, it's a fairly esoteric piece of knowledge and this is as good a forum to ask it in as any. A bit of civility wouldn't kill you.

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  10. Re:laptop heat? can that be used to charge it self by zindorsky · · Score: 4, Funny
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  11. "In this house, young lady... by freejung · · Score: 2, Informative
    we obey the laws of Thermodynamics!" -- Homer Simpson

    That would be the second law, that would be broken if you could recover all the heat. The third law is a bit more obscure and basically means that the first two laws apply to everything.

    The amount you can recover varies according to the efficiency of the device you use to recover it, and depends completely on the details of your setup. Obviously no device is 100% efficient (that's the second law again), so you will never be able to recover all of the lost heat. It is possible to get remarkably high efficiency in some setups.

  12. Re:laptop heat? can that be used to charge it self by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    That heat is traditionally used for roasting nuts

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  13. Re:laptop heat? can that be used to charge it self by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    but you will get longer life out of it then?

  14. Re:Wasted heat? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Informative

    You already have to use a radiator to get rid of the heat so you might as well do something useful with it.

  15. Re:Wish I could harvest the power from my farts... by sgt+scrub · · Score: 2, Informative

    I guess farts are funny anymore.

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  16. Re:laptop heat? can that be used to charge it self by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, you will get longer battery life if you turn some of the "heat" into electricity. There are some problems to look out for, though. The thermocouples don't really convert heat into electricity. It's the temperature difference between the hot and the cold side which creates the electricity, so you have to have a heat source and a heat-sink capable of sinking the heat without warming up too much. Since the cool side has to stay cool, the temperature difference between the air and the heat-sink is low, which means you need a much bigger heat-sink than normally. (The instructable shows a thermocouple with heat sink mounted on the side of a bike exhaust: the additional drag probably costs more energy than the device can extract from the heat difference...)

  17. Re:BWM? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Haha, good one. How about this? Leftist terrorists were discovered - their plot was to dress as police and then open fire, but they spelled police wrong on their motorbikes, and were arrested when real cops spotted the mistake.

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  18. $75 for an ipod charger? by billybob_jcv · · Score: 2, Funny

    "It was the G1-1.4-219-1.14 $75 from tellurex."
    Using "waste" sure is expensive...

  19. Saw research into much larger scale uses of this by Jared555 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was visiting Illinois State University's physics department because I am planning on attending this fall. They were working on a material along these lines with a fairly high efficiency rate but they were just starting actually trying to make small amounts of the material.

    Their intended use of the material would be in steel foundries, etc. where millions of dollars are spent on power and even something not very efficient could save a ton of money.

    From what I gathered talking to the professor there the same efficiency increasing techniques could be used even with smaller temperature differentials as long as you had different materials used.

    Sorry but they don't have too much information on their website. They had a few posters with information in the building but not much online.

    http://www.phy.ilstu.edu/programs/research.html

    A link to the professors bio:
    http://www.phy.ilstu.edu/facandstaff/marx.html

  20. Re:laptop heat? can that be used to charge it self by geobeck · · Score: 2, Funny

    Keep the hot side hot and the cool side cool... don't tell me McDonalds had the secret to providing a minuscule increase in energy efficiency and only used it to make a crappy burger!

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  21. Wall warts to charge my cell phone! by macraig · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wanna use my huge bank of toasty little wall warts to charge my cell phone. If I can do that the lazy little power-sucking tribbles might finally justify their existence.

  22. Not news, not new technology! by kheldan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Peltier Junctions are really old news, they're not very efficient at all, they don't last forever, and they're not particularly cheap. TFA doesn't have anything new to say or any links that have anything new to say. Mod the entire post down to -1, Useless post and move on.

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  23. Re:BWM? by zullnero · · Score: 2, Funny

    You should get in touch with the GP, Bill Winston Ministries may be interested in helping your friend clear some of those old BWM posters out of his warehouse. I'm assuming, of course, that Bill Winston might think it a nifty idea to sell his "Ministries" by proudly featuring fancy cars.

  24. Cosmic microwave background radiation by anwyn · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have a secret plan to run ipods off of the Cosmic microwave background radiation.