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BT Blocks Access To Pirate Bay

Barence writes "BT and other mobile broadband providers are blocking access to The Pirate Bay as part of a 'self-regulation' scheme with the Internet Watch Foundation. BT Mobile Broadband users who attempt to access the notorious BitTorrent tracker site are met with a 'content blocked' message. The warning page states the page has been blocked in 'compliance with a new UK voluntary code.' 'This uses a barring and filtering mechanism to restrict access to all WAP and internet sites that are considered to have "over 18" status,' the warning states. It goes on to list a series of categories that are blocked, including adult/sexually explicit content, 'criminal skills,' and hacking. It's not stated which category The Pirate Bay breaches, although the site does host links to porn movies."

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  1. Let me... by Erik+Soderstrom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What.. the... f*ck? Is the rest of the world watching China for guidance in this matter? What's happening? Seriously, this is just insane.

  2. The link to solve the problem by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tor.

    Might take a bit 'til you find an exit node in China, but then you're free.

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    1. Re:The link to solve the problem by rbb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is however a small problem with suggesting sites like Mininova: they don't have their own trackers.

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    2. Re:The link to solve the problem by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I don't like the blocks at all, I'm a bit confused as to who was downloading torrents on their phones anyhow.

      A 3G connection can be faster than dial-up in areas that have no available cable or DSL service.

    3. Re:The link to solve the problem by Asic+Eng · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I mean, think about how much your government cares about anti-Chinese pages.

      Or think about how much your government (applies to pretty much any western government) is prepared to bend over backwards for the Chinese government. The Chinese government already feels it has a right to complain and "be offended" by western governments meeting with the Dalai Lama or the right to ask western governments to support their "one China" policy. (What business do western governments have to support China's policy to colonize Taiwan, I wonder?)

      As censorship becomes more wide-spread in the west, it's only a matter of time until the Chinese will be "offended" by anti-Chinese websites and request a ban.

    4. Re:The link to solve the problem by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The thing that scares me is that it's literally looking like the safe havens may dry up. China has always been the country to point at and say "Well at least we don't have it THAT bad." when it comes to censorship and freedom of speech issues, but so many other countries are getting darned close, and fast. The US, UK, Australia, France, and Germany are all quickly approaching censorship levels that would have been deemed flat out unacceptable as little as 10 years ago. Depending on how bad it gets, and particularly if it gets to that point after I'm retired, I am seriously looking at moving out of the US. Question is finding somewhere to go.

      What's really scary is that China is showing now signs of changing it's ways. They've established total control over their population and don't look like they're losing it anytime soon. We all grew up watching movies like Star Wars with the Rebels winning out over the Empire, or V for Vendetta where V finally proves his point and the regime falls, but real life isn't always as inspiring. It's quite possible that the vast majority (or even eventually all) of the world's governments could settle into this strict censorship approach and reach a state of political equilibrium. You'll see a few protests here and there - some of the young people won't like it, but overall there might never, ever be enough power to break that stranglehold. It's a depressing vision of the future for sure.

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    5. Re:The link to solve the problem by Dan541 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The point of using tor from western countries is to break the law, western law enforcement is not going to be able to go into china.

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  3. Let the UK be a warning to you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here is how it works...
    1) They tell you blocking will ONLY be used for child porn etc (they promise!)
    2) Then blocking is added to terrorist material to "protect the public"
    3) Then blocking is added to "violent sexual material" to "protect women"
    4) ???
    5) Now it is open season in the UK to block anything

    Welcome to a free democracy. We're totally better than China's government, I promise ;)

    1. Re:Let the UK be a warning to you... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure we're better! WE won't block anti-commie and anti-China pages! You can read all about the Tinam... Tian... well, where they shot all the students, ya know what I mean.

      How long you may still read about the Paris riots a few years ago, well, if you want that, get a Chinese proxy.

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  4. Based on this story..... by 8127972 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ....It sounds like people will have to start using Tor in the "free world."

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    1. Re:Based on this story..... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Where is this 'free world' you keep talking about? Is there still room, and does it have internet access? I'd like to move there.

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  5. Not surprising by Shrike82 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm guessing BT are targetting a particular market demographic, judging by their adverts and the pricing structure they have. For me, their service is overpriced and I can get faster speeds, a lower price and a higher (unlimited actually) data cap with other ISPs. BT seem to be going for the "bewildered middle aged computer user" market with their Home Hub and associated services.

    Really then I'm not surprised that they're blocking TPB, since they're probably fairly confident that this will have little effect on the customers they're targetting, whilst it raises their reputation with watchdog groups and copyright associations.

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  6. Net neutrality by Krneki · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is why we need net neutrality regulations. Today is TPB, tomorrow it will be something else.

    Soon we will see a massive deployement of firewalls blocking everything apart from port 80 and 443. If you want to use VPN, torrents, POP email, ... pay or fuck off.

    No worries hackers will find a workaround and some will be able to use the Internet the way it was meant to be.

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    1. Re:Net neutrality by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No can do. 11 Million WoW players would instantly clog your call center if they can't access their fix.

      I thought I'd never say it, but I'm starting to be thankful that there are games like this. Mostly for using nonstandard ports that have to remain open, or ISPs will quickly lose a lot of customers. How many use ICQ? Skype? And so many other programs running through nonstandard ports that it just ain't funny anymore.

      Most of those programs are backed by companies that have a very keen interest in keeping their ports open. Closing them will quickly cost you customers since, well, if you can't use the internet the way you want it, why bother paying for it at all?

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    2. Re:Net neutrality by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A worthy hack project, if you ask me. Get the WoW servers on the blacklists and watch them drown in support calls. It might give them a hint that it's cheaper NOT to mess with the free internet and those that want it.

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    3. Re:Net neutrality by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, it'd be a *good* thing if everything just used port 80 (for TCP) and whatever-popular-UDP-port (SIP, Skype?). Having application layer identifiers be part of the transport (TCP/UDP) specification just makes it too easy for the ISPs to discriminate between such applications.

      Hard-coded destination ports are an anachronism, the sooner they die and the application-identifier becomes opaque to ISPs, the better.

      (yes, we'd need some kind of connectionservice/process demultiplexer behind port 80 then; HTTP servers already can do this though. We can continue to use ephemereal ports for the sender side mapping).

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  7. Wikipedia explains cum shots here. Block them. by cellurl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wikipedia explains cum shots here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum_shot

  8. A shame by SCHecklerX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...they won't do the same thing for MALWARE sites! You know, the places where people end up becoming part of a botnet.

  9. Ah so the IWF is after a power grab. by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With the Wikipedia block and Internet archive blocks in recent months I couldn't help but think the IWF was testing the water for a general power grab, trying to move far beyond their remit of producing a black list of child porn sites.

    I just found this FTA:

    http://www.iwf.org.uk/public/page.113.243.htm

    So it's true, the IWF has decided it has to be the moral crusader of society and should now start censoring all that it feels like.

    Bets on how long they try to extend this voluntary code which covers all the UK's main mobile providers to hardwired, static internet connections?

    The problem here isn't BT, it's not The Pirate Bay. It's the fucking IWF again.

    Time they're disbanded, the problems they cause now go far, far beyond any benefit they can ever provide.

    1. Re:Ah so the IWF is after a power grab. by AnalPerfume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From what I read on the IWF site, they are not trying to be anything like a moral crusader, what they are trying to do is have a worldwide voluntary code which webmasters classify their content as "adult only" which allows a more effective filtering system for parents and religious types who don't want to be exposed to it. An open standard to use in a filter is much more effective in regards to false positives etc than we currently have. While we dont have any system in place, countries / ISPs / politicians are free to make their lists manually to favour their own moral agenda. Access to legal porn by adults ain't the issue. As far as TPB being blocked, I'd imagine a midnight visit by the MPAA / RIAA whispering sweet $$$ in their ears may have more to do with the decision to block it.

    2. Re:Ah so the IWF is after a power grab. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Write to your MP again, stating "If you want my vote, make it to do with you."

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    3. Re:Ah so the IWF is after a power grab. by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you're doing the government's work for them?

      There's no such agreement - just a bunch of veiled threats. Such legislation would have a hell of a job getting passed, and would probably end up a being good thing because it would force the IWF under public scrutiny rather than what it is at the moment - a completely unnaccountable and unelectedd secretive body who've decided they have the right to monitor and block internet access to the whole country.

      Luckily there are plenty of ISPs who have to balls to stand up to such stuff. The sooner people take their business elsewhere the better.

    4. Re:Ah so the IWF is after a power grab. by dcollins · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I should clarify that most of us aren't happy about it, but a gentleman's agreement is in place that we can either do it voluntarily, or the government can make it a legal requirement and heap more trouble to implement.

      That's not a "gentleman's agreement". That's called "being a pussy".

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  10. BT? by clang_jangle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Come on, BT? For the 92% of the planet who don't live in the U.K. BT means bittorrent.

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  11. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And they can fuck off right now.

    Other than the quoted text, what will you do about this?

    I think that it generally has always been this way but the scope of what is not acceptable is expanding. The same companies provide the bulk of internet access as have provided the bulk of other communication for a long time and those companies are more tightly intertwined than ever before. The people who decided you shouldn't hear a toilet flush on TV will be the ones deciding which web sites you an visit, because they provide both your TV signal and your internet signal.

  12. Remember the past? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They came first for napster, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't into music. And then they came for wikileaks, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't into politics. And then they came for the pirate bay, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't into free stuff. And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was nothing left to do anyway.

  13. Re:Let me guess by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Exactly. It's a particularly nasty move by the government:
    • The IWF is 'independent' and therefore the government is not accountable for what they block.
    • ISPs are not required to block the lists that they publish[1] and so the government can not be blamed if they are overzealous.
    • The government has applied pressure to the major ISPs, and threatened them with severe regulation if they do not implement these block lists.

    If you write to the government, they can place the blame on the ISP (although, of course, no charges will ever be brought against the ISPs), but if you complain to the ISPs they will point out that the government has forced them to do this.

    On the off-chance that my MP is participating this out of ignorance, rather than malice, I have written him a second letter detailing the danger of this policy and asking him to raise parliamentary questions. The last letter, unfortunately, he forwarded to the Home Office, who simply replied with a meaningless form letter, so I don't hold out a great deal of hope for this one.

    [1] In the loosest possible sense of the word - the sites listed by the IWF are not available to the general public.

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  14. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Abso-fucking-lutely. If BT starts doing stuff like this for home broadband as well, I'll move to a new provider who doesn't. And so will most of the rest of their customers. Do we really need to block this stuff "For the children"? or are we blocking it because people are scared of Big Content (Which, by the way, includes a number of pornography providers.) I am thoroughly sick of watching as these unelected scumfucks whittle away at our rights through lobbying and dishonest legislation. They kick up a fuss about people stealing their work, but nobody kicks up a fuss when they steal our rights by paying politicians to add secretive riders to legislation. Even people who don't file-share should be worried by this kind of move; if you read the legislation and 'voluntary guidelines' these people are producing, you'll see that they're not just interested in protecting their work; they're interested in controlling, utterly, how you use what you buy from them. DVD zoning is small potatoes compared to what these people want. They want a tiered internet, so they can control what content you see, and how fast. They want a 'music tax' so you pay them whether you use their content or not. They want 'three strikes' rules, so they can strong-arm you into obeying their rules. They want, in short, to be absolute dictators over everything we do, watch, and indeed create on the internet, and they're winning. They're winning because ordinary people are remaining silent, leaving the business of protesting to a hard-bitten bunch of activists. There nneeds to be an awareness campaign that show big content for what it is, and how it will affect not just file sharers and young computer users, but everybody who even vaguely uses the internet, including businesses. If people realise that what Big Content wants is to break their digital legs, I think they'll make it very clear that it's not what they want, with both their wallets and their votes. We need to remind politicians who they're supposed to be working for, because no amount of lobbyist money or donations will get you elected if everyone knows you're a corrupt, nepotistic shill.

  15. Self Regulation by KneelBeforeZod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Self Regulation is usually the last resort of an interest group that is seeking to avoid the hassle and constrictions of government legislation. Its usually a stalling tactic but it sometimes works. I believe its how the MPAA was formed since its not a government organizations (If it was it'd likely fall under the wing of the FCC).

  16. We know this is coming, right? by VShael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These harsh restrictive laws are coming for all of us. It's just a matter of time.

    What we need right now, is to plan the ways of defeating this sort of rubbish, and circulating that information while the net is still relatively free.

  17. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by Urza9814 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I always laugh when people use 'a valid credit card' as a form of age ID. I had a 'valid credit card' at 16. I mean sure, technically it's a debit card, but it works as a credit card, and I've used it on such sites without any problems.

  18. Beginning of the end by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Today TPB, tomorrow its your server.
    Time to learn about networks, wireless, how to use other connections.
    Time to become very smart and invisible.
    Time to become Anonymous and say ...

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  19. Re:Let me guess by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ya know, I miss the days of the cold war. Back then, our governments had to uphold the facade that they're the good guys and have our interests in mind.

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  20. Goodbye Common Carrier Status? by _KiTA_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doesn't this mean that they're voluntarily giving up common carrier status?

    The old defense being that they were like phone companies, they had no responsibility in what their users did.

    Well, BT just announced that they are, in some small way, taking responsibility for what their users look at.

    So what happens when FOX releases yet another Summer Bomb in the theaters and decides to use Piracy on the Internet as an excuse? Well, BT banned TPB, that means since they DIDN'T ban the other sites this is partially their fault, right?

    1. Re:Goodbye Common Carrier Status? by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is in the UK. A "common carrier" in the UK is an omnibus.

      Don't know why this was marked as a troll. He/she was making a reasonable point in a humorous manner- does the concept of a "common carrier" (regardless of the term used?) meaningfully exist in the UK?

      If not, the OP's question was meaningless.

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  21. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by wisty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't care whether it's for ethical reasons, or just to save bandwidth, I welcome it.

    The more draconian things get on the net, the more people shift to anonymous IP stuff. I don't personally use them (I don't have anything worth hiding, and I'd rather read a book than pirate a DVD), but free and anonymous communication is a great boon to society.

  22. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by Krneki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why are you assuming I want to do illegal things? See this is the problem, people assume I want to do illegal stuff each time I access Pirate bay.
    If there is any illegal activity you inform the Police and let them deal with the problem. We don't need more vigilantes.

    90% of Internet is made of Porn, warez and spam. Using your logic, we should ban everyone from the net.

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  23. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by Krneki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mostly I agree with you, but you assume TPB is evil and somehow ISP have the right to block it. This is wrong, we have courts to decide that, not you, me or anybody else.

    And another thing, I don't know where you live but most people can't choose their ISP, any company having a monopoly must be controlled.

    And I perfectly understand Telcos position, still looking for a way to charge as for emails.

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  24. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Problem is, the list is secret, so it's hard to tell if your ISP is blocking a page or if it's just down or gone. At least with Tor you can try again from different nodes.

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