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How Tor Helps Both Dissidents and the Police

Al writes "Technology Review has a in-depth article about the anonymous networking software Tor and how it is helping dissidents spread information in oppressive regimes such as Syria, Zimbabwe and Mauritania, and opening up the unfiltered web for users in many more countries. In China, for instance, the computers found in some web cafes are configured to use Tor automatically. Interestingly, some police agencies even use the software to hide their activity from suspects. As filtering becomes ever more common in democratic countries such as the US, perhaps Tor (and similar tools such as I2P), will become even more valuable."

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  1. As with most technology by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It cuts both ways.

    You can use a knife for cooking, mugging or for police action.

    But the more problematic criminals are also the ones that are most likely to be aware of this and be careful with what and who they trust.

    And the most careful persons in organized crime have sometimes only been relying on trusted messengers that have been doing all their communication. That to avoid wiretaps.

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    1. Re:As with most technology by Reorix · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not only does it cut both ways, but it should. The thing about freedom is that 9 times out of 10 it only becomes clear that an action was that of a "freedom fighter" rather than a "terrorist" in hindsight. This is the reason for the high standards for prior restraint of the press.

      I'm not a fan of "sticking it to the man" in general, but when I hear about Tor and similar programs being used for "the wrong purposes" (whether that be organized crime, terrorism, etc), I feel better knowing that the software exists.

      The day when no secure methods exist for organized crime to communicate with each other is likely the day when one is guilty until proven innocent. The broad curtailing of freedoms should give us pause every time it comes up; that doesn't seem to necessarily be the case anymore.

    2. Re:As with most technology by Moryath · · Score: 5, Informative

      Basic things to remember:

      #1 - You should never talk to the cops. Seriously. This is not about your being a "bad citizen" or something else. It is because what you say to the cops can be used AGAINST you, but not FOR you. It is because while the cops have one job, the prosecutors' job is to get convictions, and the prosecutor is perfectly allowed to take some little snippet out of context, ask the cop "did he say that", and you have no recourse.

      #2 - Even the federal government can't tell you how many possible "federal crimes" exist on the books any more. And that's just at the federal level. "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" is one tenet of our justice system which might as well read instead, "fuck the people", because there's no way in hell you could EVER know what the entire body of law (and accompanying precedents, "or in violation of some bullshit treaty the US signed that you didn't get to vote on" clauses, "or in violation of some 'regulation' that Congress didn't vote on but was instead put forth by some unelected government bureaucrats" clauses, etc) says even if you eat, breathed, slept, and shit the stuff for your entire lifetime.

      This doesn't mean you should go out of your way to ignore the law. And much of the law is pretty basic (don't park when there's a NO PARKING sign, don't be a dick while driving, etc). Still, you can NEVER be completely sure you're not breaking some law.

    3. Re:As with most technology by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is impossible to rule innocent men.

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    4. Re:As with most technology by WaXHeLL · · Score: 5, Funny

      You should never talk to the cops ... "fuck the people" ... violation of some bullshit treaty the US signed ... shit the stuff ... ignore the law ... be a dick while driving

      It's a surprise that you posted that with an account, rather than AC. Now that you've been flagged as a deranged government-hating terrorist, there's plenty of evidence against you now.

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    5. Re:As with most technology by DCstewieG · · Score: 3, Funny

      don't be a dick while driving

      Unfortunately this isn't law.

    6. Re:As with most technology by Gerzel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I believe "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" to be a just tenet but it must also have before it that "Absence of the law may be in some cases."

      In other words the government must put forward the laws of the land for free and make them available for the public otherwise the public is not being ignorant but instead the law is being absent.

      If I make a law and never tell the people whom will be governed by it then it is as just to enforce that law as if the law were never made.

  2. Great article but by island_earth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to see a discussion of the legal ramifications of letting your system be used as a Tor relay. Suppose I volunteer some of my home network capacity to Tor.

    Putting aside the fact that it's probably a violation of my broadband provider's agreement to share my connection in this way, what if someone uses Tor for kiddie porn and happens to make the final connection to the police honeypot (so to speak) from my IP address?

    If anyone can point to a good discussion of this, it would be great. I'd like to let my system be a relay for Tor, but the risk seems large.

    1. Re:Great article but by Reorix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I recall slashdot discussing this previously in terms of Freenet, although it's probably not a full discussion of legal ramifications (since everyone here says IANAL compulsively). You'll find it here.

      As far as I can tell, much like any legal issue, most of what you'll find as far as legal discussion is mainly a lot of "Well, such-and-such may or may not apply here. Please consult your lawyer."

      As if we all just have consitutional (if you're in the US) lawyers on retainer. I wish people would just give some advice, even though it will not be authoritative.

      For some specific dissembling on this topic, you can also see freenet's legal FAQ.

    2. Re:Great article but by SimplePaul · · Score: 5, Informative

      As I understand it, you are pretty safe. It's not *you* accessing the content.

      The Tor guys recommend you have a web server on the machine which says "This is a Tor relay", presumably so that anyone who finds your machine during an investigation will know what is going on.

      Two experiences of running a tor exit relay. One good, one less good:-

      http://blog.torproject.org/blog/five-years-exit-node-operator

      http://calumog.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/why-you-need-balls-of-steel-to-operate-a-tor-exit-node/#comment-2

  3. Newsflash by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Policemen eat food, and so do criminals! In a shocking discovery today we learned that a completely ambivalent object such as food could be used for good and for evil. Some fringe elements speculate that food in fact has no innate bias towards good or evil, and in fact does not exert any influence over the person that uses it apart from keeping them alive. But we all know that since it's rumored that TERRORISTS (tm) have been known to occasionally eat, food is obviously evil and should be banned. The fact that law enforcement officers have been spotted eating once in a while (especially in the vicinity of doughnut shops) should not allow us to forget about this lurking evil we call food. In fact, the world would be a better place if it were banned entirely.

    Warning! If you are sarcasm impaired, the above paragraph may cause you to become angry. Breathe slowly and try to relax. If you cannot relax after a few minutes, you might need professional help. Sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit, but it is wit nonetheless.

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  4. Is TOR really make web surfing anonymous? by ogrisel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always wondered whether it is not possible to attack TOR with statistical analysis provided you can dedicate significant resources to it. Suppose you are a big brother-style government agency with many computers and bandwith pipes dedicated to your goals. Could you not register a significant amounts of output and intermediate nodes (like say 10% of all nodes) that are specially improved to cooperatively log output HTTP traffic along with various web services session cookies, headers and originating IP addresses in a centralized DB and then use statistical analysis to identify the candidate source IP addresses of suspicious HTTP traffic?

    1. Re:Is TOR really make web surfing anonymous? by ogrisel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So it is actually dangerous to market TOR to non tech savy people who do not systematically check that they are surfing only on https websites or orther encrypted protocols. I guess you can harvest a great amount of passwords and other sensitive data by sniffing the http traffic of a single exit node.

    2. Re:Is TOR really make web surfing anonymous? by rrohbeck · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yup. It's been done (google "Dan Egerstad") and you can be pretty sure it's being done.

  5. Re:what do you mean? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you do choose to report it, be sure to report it in an anonymous manner. The reporter will be the first suspect, and the easiest mark for a conviction.

  6. Re:Fine Line by Hatta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As long as the police arrest more people for having Cannabis than they do all violent crimes combined, they ARE the criminals. The police victimize more people than they protect. It's that simple.

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  7. Privacy is the next killer app by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have thought for some time that privacy is the next killer app. The person who solves the privacy problem will make a stack of money.

  8. Re:knowledge of the law by PureFiction · · Score: 4, Informative

    "... there's no way in hell you could EVER know what the entire body of law"

    This is where jury nullification comes in. But they don't like that much either!