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Ubuntu 9.04 Is As Slick As Win7, Mac OS X

An anonymous reader writes in with an opinion piece from ZDNet Australia. "Here's what the official press release won't tell you about Ubuntu 9.04, which formally hit the streets yesterday: its designers have polished the hell out of its user interface since the last release in October. Just like Microsoft has taken the blowtorch to Vista to produce the lightning-quick Windows 7, which so far runs well even on older hardware, Ubuntu has picked up its own game."

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  1. screenshots? by themacks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    its designers have polished the hell out of its user interface

    and the link is to an article without a single screenshot....

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    1. Re:screenshots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who gives a shit why he needs a touchscreen? This is just excuse-making. Maybe he IS working on a kiosk. Maybe he's working on a POS cash-register app, or the next generation of surface-based interfaces. Maybe he just prefers touchscreens.

      Honestly, I get sick of this attitude from developers when someone suggests a useful feature - "why would you need that?" That's why Linux will always by a system "by programmers, for programmers."

    2. Re:screenshots? by JSBiff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wait, wait. . . did you just make an argument that because some random poster on /. downplayed a request for touchscreen support, that Linux developers don't care about requests for less-popular but potentially useful features? I agree that the GP's response of essentially 'who cares about touchscreen support' is kind of dumb, I fail to see how his post on /. has anything to do with developer attitudes?

    3. Re:screenshots? by mabinogi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      why? It's worked for Apple users for years....

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    4. Re:screenshots? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know you didn't RTFA, cause nobody does, but that was EXACTLY the point of the article. They didn't mean "slick" as in shiny and pretty and cool effects, they even said so. They said don't bother looking at screenshots, because that's not the kind of "slick" that they meant. They meant "slick" as in responsive, windows pop up quickly, feels quick instead of sluggish.

      They made some comparisons like:
      Vista - oh so not slick
      Mac OSX Tiger - Very slick
      Mac OSX Leopard - Not as slick as Tiger, but slick
      Windows 7 - surprisingly slick
      Ubuntu pre-9.04 - Not slick
      Ubuntu 9.04 - Very slick

      The guy who wrote the article apparently uses Mac OSX, Linux, and Windows 7 on a regular basis, and he was focusing on user-interface improvements. He noted that Leopard, while it added lots of "cool features" over Tiger, the usablility slipped in a few areas. He noted that the MS team got it right for once, and the Windows 7 UI is impressive. He noted that the Ubuntu team dedicated the UI that was formed last September has made some great improvements, and it should finally be competative with the other two brands' user interfaces.

      The theme itself though, sadly, hasn't changed. Fortunately it's a heck of a lot easier to customize the theme in Ubuntu than it is in Windows or OSX. :)

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  2. I love Ubuntu... by greenguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have it on both my laptops, and even installed it on a virtual machine on my work Mac.

    BUT... I won't be recommending it to friends and family until they get the damn sound working immediately upon installation. If people can't use Flash and watch Youtube on it, it might as well be green letters on a black background.

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  3. Screenshots by molarmass192 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    from Lifehacker

    As for being as slick as OS X, well, spoken like somebody who obviously doesn't own a Mac. It's nice, but there's no way it's even in the same neighborhood that the ballpark for OS X is in. I'm gonna light a small fire here, but I wish a super talented artist would redesign the widget set for Gnome, it's very very dated as it stands now. KDE is far better looking but even it is getting long in the tooth.

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    1. Re:Screenshots by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's nice, but there's no way it's even in the same neighborhood that the ballpark for OS X is in. I'm gonna light a small fire here, but I wish a super talented artist would redesign the widget set for Gnome...

      This is an interesting quote because it illustrates how much many users consider "eye candy" to be a critical component of "usability". If only the widget icons were more up-to-date with current styles, Gnome would be more usable?

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  4. Re:Isn't it strange by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    10 years ago I expected my machine to simulaneously...

            Rip/transcode CDs.
            Play mp3s
            Browse the web with bloated browser.
            Manipulate documents with bloaded office suite.

    The only thing that's reall changed in the last 10 years
    is that the tools have changed in appearance. Some are
    more snazzy, and some are less snazzy but more automated.
    However the basics are pretty much the same as well as
    the expected level of concurrency.

    I expect the computationally interesting stuff to run
    for as long as it needs to without crashing and without
    negatively impacting the "end user experience".

    Unix had that part covered 10 years ago.

    "using spare cycles for something useful" is what Unix does.

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  5. Terrible Article by foo+fighter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the summary I expected at least a snapshot gallery, maybe even video and benchmarks since it was a CNET address, of this latest release.

    But this article is complete shit. It's a crappy fanboy blog post with no numbers, no pictures, and just breathless "it works for me, and I'm emotionally committed to this platform, so it's the best thing ever" anecdotes.

    Here's a counter-anecdote to the OS X Leopard (10.5) bashing: I'm running 10.5.6 on my 12" PowerBook G4 and it is great. The machine only runs at 1.33GHz with 768MB RAM. The only time it feels slow is when more than one Flash animation tries to run at once (Fuck you, Adobe). Otherwise I can have more than a dozen apps open, a video podcast playing in iTunes in the corner, promiscuous network monitors saturating the resources, and the only time I wish I had a newer machine is when I'm stuck with audio-only chats with my wife while on the road because this box doesn't have the built-in iSight and I don't want to pack an external one.

    Stacks have been great since the 10.5.2 update (which came out in Feb 2008, BTW) added several options to how they work. I use them all the time. Folders that have lots of files and subfolders are set to display as a menu very similar to Windows's classic Start Menu. Folders that have few items, like certain subfolders that hold a category of applications or my Downloads folder, display in a grid for quick access. Stacks are awesome, and they are the reason I have stopped hating the Dock and wishing I could turn it off.

    Spaces was updated in 10.5.3 (which came out in May 2008) and addressed many of the criticisms the initial feature faced when 10.5 launched several months earlier. I admit it isn't as good as some virtual desktops in Nixland. But it is very, very solid and waaay better than anything available for Windows.

    To avoid "your just an OS X fanboy! Nyaah!" flames, let me say that I do love OS X. But I am also running the last LTS of Ubuntu at home and find it a very nice environment. At work I actually prefer OpenBSD, but Windows is currently on my main workstation at the office following some pointy-haired unpleasantness (OpenBSD is still usually the active window, running in a VM; Its main mailing list is also a source of entertainment all day long). I admin several servers running CentOS. I also have to touch Windows Server frequently, which is more often than not a pleasant experience.

    Slavish OS fanboyism and an inability to admit to the faults as well as the strengths of an OS is a symptom of a weak mind.

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  6. Re:More than 10 years ago by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    On the other hand, the price point at which we "have that covered" has absolutely plummeted during those years.

    Huge amounts of "exciting new" PC tech is arguably just a rediscovery of stuff that was being done on big iron ages back. The difference, and it isn't a small one, is that the new stuff is crazy cheap.

  7. All of that stuff is just hard... by klubar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    PRoducing a highly polished UI, with consistent colors, shading and graphics is hard and takse time and talent. Most of the people with these skill don't want to work for free (as in free software) and would rather earn a living for their talent (or time).

    It also requires a degree of central coordination and control--most lacking in free software. Even MS Windows (where some may consider the interface not as polished as the Mac) sweats a lot of the details--does it work in 8 bit color mode? does it scale to low res screens? black & white? is there a high contrast version for visually impaired? And then there are all the internationalization issues...

    Writing polished software, with a highly integrated interface has never been free software's strength. Too many programmers who aren't designers, too many "but I really like orange and green and pink" windows.

    Firefox probably comes closest (or meets) the requirements for "Joe or Jane User". But most of the stuff just doesn't have the polish of really high quality commercial software. (Compare, Gimp with Photoshop, OO with MS Office).

    FOSS is great for infrastructure stuff--apache, MySQL, etc., but it's been 5 years away from the desktop for the last 20 years...

  8. Re:Isn't it strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    10 years ago I expected my machine to simulaneously...

            Rip/transcode CDs.

            Play mp3s

            Browse the web with bloated browser.

            Manipulate documents with bloaded office suite.

    And yet, in Firefox 3 running on Ubuntu Jaunty, I cannot scroll down this page without pauses because some other website is loading in a background tab...

  9. Re:Isn't it strange by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We are also doing things that are rather unheard of on these old systems.
    So lets compare Windows 95 system with today.

    1. Real-Time Semi-Transparency. Doing stuff back in 95 would have taken at least a second to render.
    2. Anti-Aliasing fonts. Back in the day we knew what text was done in Photoshop and what was rendered on the fly.
    3. Wobbly Windows. (or similar effect) That would take crazy computing power back then
    4. Disk Indexing, We knew how to index back in 95 it just took to long to be useful
    5. Complex interpreted language programs. If it wasn't in binary format then it was too slow.
    6. Multi-tasking. Windows 95 just barely had working multi-tasking. Burning a CD back then was a crap shoot. because chances are your computer would freeze up and mess up your PC.
    7. Security. Back in 95 a Buffer overflow would mean your program would crash, and if you had a password protection you were considered secure. Viruses only infected .exe or .com file.
    8. PCI was the new kid on the block and plug in play was plug and pray.
    9. Configurability. Go work with windows 95 and even compare it with XP you will realize how much stuff you have taken for granted over the years.

    I bet if you take your old 486 and run 95 you will realize how slow it was.

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