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Ubuntu 9.04 Is As Slick As Win7, Mac OS X

An anonymous reader writes in with an opinion piece from ZDNet Australia. "Here's what the official press release won't tell you about Ubuntu 9.04, which formally hit the streets yesterday: its designers have polished the hell out of its user interface since the last release in October. Just like Microsoft has taken the blowtorch to Vista to produce the lightning-quick Windows 7, which so far runs well even on older hardware, Ubuntu has picked up its own game."

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  1. screenshots? by themacks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    its designers have polished the hell out of its user interface

    and the link is to an article without a single screenshot....

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    1. Re:screenshots? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Informative
      I realize reading TFA is frowned upon, but:

      You won't be able to notice the vast improvement in Ubuntu's desktop experience over the past six months by browsing screenshot galleries of 9.04 or looking at new feature lists. What I'm talking about is that elusive slick-and-speedy feel you get from applications launching fast, windows moving around without jerkiness, and everything simply being where it should be in the user interface.

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    2. Re:screenshots? by Boiling_point_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Lifehacker has a well laid-out and illustrated introduction avec screenshots.

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    3. Re:screenshots? by Threni · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, why doesn't he just post a screenshot of slick animation?

    4. Re:screenshots? by Azaril · · Score: 5, Funny

      Where would he have hosted it? Geocities is dead!

    5. Re:screenshots? by c0p0n · · Score: 5, Funny

      Animated gif? Did I wake up in 1997?

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    6. Re:screenshots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who gives a shit why he needs a touchscreen? This is just excuse-making. Maybe he IS working on a kiosk. Maybe he's working on a POS cash-register app, or the next generation of surface-based interfaces. Maybe he just prefers touchscreens.

      Honestly, I get sick of this attitude from developers when someone suggests a useful feature - "why would you need that?" That's why Linux will always by a system "by programmers, for programmers."

    7. Re:screenshots? by BlitzTech · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They're plenty of use. I used a tablet for all of my college notes, which made it convenient to copy&send to friends who might have missed class. The fact that I couldn't install Linux on it (despite several failed attempts) was irritating, because my battery life was better on Linux (surprise!) and the tablet was significantly faster under Linux. Unfortunately, the calibration would frequently de-align itself and screen rotation didn't always rotate the calibration as well (i.e. pointing at the lower left would make the cursor jump to the upper right).

      In answer to your comment about desktop use, I know many artists who do most of their work in Photoshop using a Wacom tablet. They hate using a mouse for that kind of work. If you question these users' importance overall, I can only direct you to the frequent conversation about 'I need apps that don't work in Linux! You can't use GIMP as a replacement for Photoshop!'.

      I agree it's not that huge of a deal, but it might be a dealbreaker for a not-insignificant number of people.

    8. Re:screenshots? by JSBiff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wait, wait. . . did you just make an argument that because some random poster on /. downplayed a request for touchscreen support, that Linux developers don't care about requests for less-popular but potentially useful features? I agree that the GP's response of essentially 'who cares about touchscreen support' is kind of dumb, I fail to see how his post on /. has anything to do with developer attitudes?

    9. Re:screenshots? by mabinogi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      why? It's worked for Apple users for years....

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    10. Re:screenshots? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know you didn't RTFA, cause nobody does, but that was EXACTLY the point of the article. They didn't mean "slick" as in shiny and pretty and cool effects, they even said so. They said don't bother looking at screenshots, because that's not the kind of "slick" that they meant. They meant "slick" as in responsive, windows pop up quickly, feels quick instead of sluggish.

      They made some comparisons like:
      Vista - oh so not slick
      Mac OSX Tiger - Very slick
      Mac OSX Leopard - Not as slick as Tiger, but slick
      Windows 7 - surprisingly slick
      Ubuntu pre-9.04 - Not slick
      Ubuntu 9.04 - Very slick

      The guy who wrote the article apparently uses Mac OSX, Linux, and Windows 7 on a regular basis, and he was focusing on user-interface improvements. He noted that Leopard, while it added lots of "cool features" over Tiger, the usablility slipped in a few areas. He noted that the MS team got it right for once, and the Windows 7 UI is impressive. He noted that the Ubuntu team dedicated the UI that was formed last September has made some great improvements, and it should finally be competative with the other two brands' user interfaces.

      The theme itself though, sadly, hasn't changed. Fortunately it's a heck of a lot easier to customize the theme in Ubuntu than it is in Windows or OSX. :)

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    11. Re:screenshots? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Funny

      I had to go digging for the drivers and apps for my tablet for XP and vista. they did not magicanny install and work without effort.

      I do not think that word means what you think it means.
      In fact, I don't know what that word means.

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    12. Re:screenshots? by jdgeorge · · Score: 5, Funny

      The theme itself though, sadly, hasn't changed.

      What do you have against the color brown?? Other than it happens to be the color of dog poop laying on dirt.

      Hmmm.... Brown is also the color of delicious chocolate, and benevolent, life-giving coffee, and the hazy morning sky over Newark, New Jersey....

  2. Way faster than 8.10 by cbuosi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Installed Ubuntu 9.04 over my 9.04RC and all i can say that its a lot faster than 8.10 (RC was faster too). And i mean it cause i have a quite old config.

  3. Isn't it strange by tsa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article: I particularly noticed the Ubuntu difference when I put the operating system to the test by simultaneously launching and using multiple applications, listening to music and more while using my spare CPU cycles in the background to encode high-definition video with Mencoder. Ubuntu still felt very fast--even with traditionally sluggy pieces of software like OpenOffice.org.
     
    Isn't it strange that people are still surprised that their computers are fast? Computers have gotten ridiculously fast compared during the last 20 years, and still they seem slow to many of us. Is that just the result of crappy programming, or is there more to it?

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    1. Re:Isn't it strange by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      10 years ago I expected my machine to simulaneously...

              Rip/transcode CDs.
              Play mp3s
              Browse the web with bloated browser.
              Manipulate documents with bloaded office suite.

      The only thing that's reall changed in the last 10 years
      is that the tools have changed in appearance. Some are
      more snazzy, and some are less snazzy but more automated.
      However the basics are pretty much the same as well as
      the expected level of concurrency.

      I expect the computationally interesting stuff to run
      for as long as it needs to without crashing and without
      negatively impacting the "end user experience".

      Unix had that part covered 10 years ago.

      "using spare cycles for something useful" is what Unix does.

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    2. Re:Isn't it strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      10 years ago I expected my machine to simulaneously...

              Rip/transcode CDs.

              Play mp3s

              Browse the web with bloated browser.

              Manipulate documents with bloaded office suite.

      And yet, in Firefox 3 running on Ubuntu Jaunty, I cannot scroll down this page without pauses because some other website is loading in a background tab...

    3. Re:Isn't it strange by FireFury03 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The only thing that's reall changed in the last 10 years
      is that the tools have changed in appearance. Some are
      more snazzy, and some are less snazzy but more automated.
      However the basics are pretty much the same as well as
      the expected level of concurrency.

      Yeah, I've got to say that I find it pretty depressing to find the base OS being more resource hungry every time I upgrade. There is some increase in priddyness, such as Compiz Fusion, but I'm sure a lot of the bloat is behind the scenes stuff such as HAL, UDEV, PulseAudio, etc. To the end user they don't offer a really noticeable advantage and they do add to the bloat.

      A quick look down my process list (Fedora 11) shows top bulky processes are:
        * FireFox with a resident size of 184MB
        * Xorg with a resident size of 125MB
        * Lots of Gnome bits and pieces totalling maybe 100MB
        * Nautilus with a resident size of 33MB

      So you're looking at a fairly significant memory consumption just to surf the web - this is something that my old P166 laptop could do with 64MB of RAM around 1998 (and it was faster at it then than my 2GB Athlon XP 2100+ is now!)

      There are a whole load of processes running and socking up memory that just don't need to be there too - the PC Card daemon (this is a desktop machine with no PC Card slots), the Bluetooth daemons (this machine has no bluetooth interface), gpm, gnome-power-monitor (why do I need this on a desktop machine?), etc. Sure, these processes do useful stuff in certain situations, but there's absolutely no need for them to be running all the time. Take Nautilus, for example - I never actually use it, but Gnome wants it to be running all the time just in case.

      And yes, I know I could spend hours tuning my system, but my point is that I shouldn't have to - there's no need for modern systems to have all this bloat running all the time, it's just there because it is easier to be lazy and tell people to get better hardware than write efficient systems.

      There's also a trend towards using much less efficient languages - for example, a lot of stuff is now written in Python and Java. As far as I'm concerned, there is absolutely no sane reason to use a system like Java with the overhead of a VM when you already know what architecture the binaries will be running on when you build them.

    4. Re:Isn't it strange by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ssh. You aren't supposed to admit that. Everyone on slashdot has been a wildly-ahead-of-the-curve-or-fashionably-contrarian-retro tech user since before birth. The only exceptions admitted are on "emotional linux conversion story" threads, where it is acceptable to admit that you used to use WinME, and "Oh man, I remember having to use AOL because of my mega-lame parents" topics, which are self explanatory. Them's the rules, dude.

    5. Re:Isn't it strange by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We are also doing things that are rather unheard of on these old systems.
      So lets compare Windows 95 system with today.

      1. Real-Time Semi-Transparency. Doing stuff back in 95 would have taken at least a second to render.
      2. Anti-Aliasing fonts. Back in the day we knew what text was done in Photoshop and what was rendered on the fly.
      3. Wobbly Windows. (or similar effect) That would take crazy computing power back then
      4. Disk Indexing, We knew how to index back in 95 it just took to long to be useful
      5. Complex interpreted language programs. If it wasn't in binary format then it was too slow.
      6. Multi-tasking. Windows 95 just barely had working multi-tasking. Burning a CD back then was a crap shoot. because chances are your computer would freeze up and mess up your PC.
      7. Security. Back in 95 a Buffer overflow would mean your program would crash, and if you had a password protection you were considered secure. Viruses only infected .exe or .com file.
      8. PCI was the new kid on the block and plug in play was plug and pray.
      9. Configurability. Go work with windows 95 and even compare it with XP you will realize how much stuff you have taken for granted over the years.

      I bet if you take your old 486 and run 95 you will realize how slow it was.

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  4. Re:Polish & slickness are buzzwords by Nerdposeur · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, the author did specify a meaning:

    You won't be able to notice the vast improvement in Ubuntu's desktop experience over the past six months by browsing screenshot galleries of 9.04 or looking at new feature lists. What I'm talking about is that elusive slick-and-speedy feel you get from applications launching fast, windows moving around without jerkiness, and everything simply being where it should be in the user interface.

  5. Consider me impressed. by JoeytheSquid · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have to admit this is the first smooth Ubuntu install I've ever had. It actually detected my wireless adapter right out of the box. No fiddling, no CLI hackery, no sacrifices to the pagan gods of open source (which is good because my lease forbids livestock and the downstairs neighbors frown upon blood dripping through the ceiling.)

    Not bad, not bad at all.

    1. Re:Consider me impressed. by laughing_badger · · Score: 5, Funny

      my lease forbids livestock and the downstairs neighbors frown upon blood dripping through the ceiling

      Sacrificing the neighbours would avoid both problems. I'm just sayin'...

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    2. Re:Consider me impressed. by LordKaT · · Score: 5, Funny

      You should use the bath tub.

  6. I love Ubuntu... by greenguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have it on both my laptops, and even installed it on a virtual machine on my work Mac.

    BUT... I won't be recommending it to friends and family until they get the damn sound working immediately upon installation. If people can't use Flash and watch Youtube on it, it might as well be green letters on a black background.

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    1. Re:I love Ubuntu... by pnutjam · · Score: 5, Informative

      Try mint. They should have their 9.04 based version out soon, but 6 works pretty nice. Hulu and youtube out of the box, not to mention, DVD playback and everything else. Plus you get to use Ubuntu repositories for other packages.
      Best desktop distribution IMHO.

  7. Screenshots by molarmass192 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    from Lifehacker

    As for being as slick as OS X, well, spoken like somebody who obviously doesn't own a Mac. It's nice, but there's no way it's even in the same neighborhood that the ballpark for OS X is in. I'm gonna light a small fire here, but I wish a super talented artist would redesign the widget set for Gnome, it's very very dated as it stands now. KDE is far better looking but even it is getting long in the tooth.

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    1. Re:Screenshots by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's nice, but there's no way it's even in the same neighborhood that the ballpark for OS X is in. I'm gonna light a small fire here, but I wish a super talented artist would redesign the widget set for Gnome...

      This is an interesting quote because it illustrates how much many users consider "eye candy" to be a critical component of "usability". If only the widget icons were more up-to-date with current styles, Gnome would be more usable?

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  8. It's damned fast by dave420 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And the effects are mostly great (on their own), but it still lacks coherency in its design. The UI elements still look ratty, old-fashioned, and ugly, and the visual effects (while fluid) are all over the place. Don't hate me for this, but at least Windows 7's design is much more coherent, from the UI controls to the visual effects - they look like they work together. What I've seen of 9.04 is quite the opposite - it looks like everything is engaged in a mortal struggle against everything else. A fluid, nifty effect generates a window that's full of 90s-esque design elements. It's rather jarring. Like taking a swanky elevator to a penthouse, and the doors open to reveal a highly-functional chicken coop.

  9. They also don't tell you about nVidia drivers by plasmidmap · · Score: 5, Informative

    An upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 hosed my polished UI yesterday because there were no nvidia glx drivers available for download. That was a bit of a shock and annoyance, but it's my own fault for not checking its availability before hitting upgrade.

    Seems like there is one now in the repos but I think there's a lot of traffic because I can't seem to update.

    Patiently waiting... still love Ubuntu.

    1. Re:They also don't tell you about nVidia drivers by plasmidmap · · Score: 5, Informative

      Now the driver has downloaded and it looks fantastic! I spoke too soon.

  10. Dual Monitors - No Sweat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At work, the boss gave the developers extra monitors and a video card with dual DVI output. One guy got it working under Ubuntu 8.04 after some hackery. Another guy's Windows XP picked it up without much trouble. My Ubuntu 8.04 workstation wasn't so cooperative, even with the other guy's config options.

    Last week, I installed 9.04 beta and it picked up the dual monitors without breaking a sweat. It even put the size/manufacturer in the upper-left corner of each monitor as the display options were being adjusted.

    All it needs now is a "Launch World of Warcraft from my Windows partition" menu entry, and it'll take the world by storm.

    1. Re:Dual Monitors - No Sweat by TurboNed · · Score: 5, Informative

      All it needs now is a "Launch World of Warcraft from my Windows partition" menu entry, and it'll take the world by storm.

      You do realize that you can do this with Wine, right? It's how I play. I never ran the installer in Linux, I just told Wine to launch Wow.exe on the NTFS partition and it worked.

  11. Let you know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok, but you'll need to post some information so we can notify you. Your mailing address, phone number, something. I mean, come on, how do you expect us to add you to the "notify when usability is better than Debian+e17" list if you don't give us something to add?

  12. Terrible Article by foo+fighter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the summary I expected at least a snapshot gallery, maybe even video and benchmarks since it was a CNET address, of this latest release.

    But this article is complete shit. It's a crappy fanboy blog post with no numbers, no pictures, and just breathless "it works for me, and I'm emotionally committed to this platform, so it's the best thing ever" anecdotes.

    Here's a counter-anecdote to the OS X Leopard (10.5) bashing: I'm running 10.5.6 on my 12" PowerBook G4 and it is great. The machine only runs at 1.33GHz with 768MB RAM. The only time it feels slow is when more than one Flash animation tries to run at once (Fuck you, Adobe). Otherwise I can have more than a dozen apps open, a video podcast playing in iTunes in the corner, promiscuous network monitors saturating the resources, and the only time I wish I had a newer machine is when I'm stuck with audio-only chats with my wife while on the road because this box doesn't have the built-in iSight and I don't want to pack an external one.

    Stacks have been great since the 10.5.2 update (which came out in Feb 2008, BTW) added several options to how they work. I use them all the time. Folders that have lots of files and subfolders are set to display as a menu very similar to Windows's classic Start Menu. Folders that have few items, like certain subfolders that hold a category of applications or my Downloads folder, display in a grid for quick access. Stacks are awesome, and they are the reason I have stopped hating the Dock and wishing I could turn it off.

    Spaces was updated in 10.5.3 (which came out in May 2008) and addressed many of the criticisms the initial feature faced when 10.5 launched several months earlier. I admit it isn't as good as some virtual desktops in Nixland. But it is very, very solid and waaay better than anything available for Windows.

    To avoid "your just an OS X fanboy! Nyaah!" flames, let me say that I do love OS X. But I am also running the last LTS of Ubuntu at home and find it a very nice environment. At work I actually prefer OpenBSD, but Windows is currently on my main workstation at the office following some pointy-haired unpleasantness (OpenBSD is still usually the active window, running in a VM; Its main mailing list is also a source of entertainment all day long). I admin several servers running CentOS. I also have to touch Windows Server frequently, which is more often than not a pleasant experience.

    Slavish OS fanboyism and an inability to admit to the faults as well as the strengths of an OS is a symptom of a weak mind.

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  13. Re:More than 10 years ago by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    On the other hand, the price point at which we "have that covered" has absolutely plummeted during those years.

    Huge amounts of "exciting new" PC tech is arguably just a rediscovery of stuff that was being done on big iron ages back. The difference, and it isn't a small one, is that the new stuff is crazy cheap.

  14. All of that stuff is just hard... by klubar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    PRoducing a highly polished UI, with consistent colors, shading and graphics is hard and takse time and talent. Most of the people with these skill don't want to work for free (as in free software) and would rather earn a living for their talent (or time).

    It also requires a degree of central coordination and control--most lacking in free software. Even MS Windows (where some may consider the interface not as polished as the Mac) sweats a lot of the details--does it work in 8 bit color mode? does it scale to low res screens? black & white? is there a high contrast version for visually impaired? And then there are all the internationalization issues...

    Writing polished software, with a highly integrated interface has never been free software's strength. Too many programmers who aren't designers, too many "but I really like orange and green and pink" windows.

    Firefox probably comes closest (or meets) the requirements for "Joe or Jane User". But most of the stuff just doesn't have the polish of really high quality commercial software. (Compare, Gimp with Photoshop, OO with MS Office).

    FOSS is great for infrastructure stuff--apache, MySQL, etc., but it's been 5 years away from the desktop for the last 20 years...

  15. Desktop Linux by PeeShootr · · Score: 5, Funny

    2009 will be the year of Desktop Linux.