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Second Swedish ISP Starts Scrubbing IP Addresses

Posted by timothy on from the you-may-borrow-the-hashed-list-though dept.

Marzubus writes "Tele2, a popular Swedish ISP, has started to remove IP addresses from its logs. This is the second ISP in Sweden to adopt this new privacy protection strategy." We discussed not long ago when another ISP, Bahnhof, started doing the same. Perhaps this is the corporate equivalent of joining the Pirate Party.

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  1. Incorrect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The first ISP, Barnhof, did not start doing this, they have been doing this since 96 (iirc).

  2. Actually there are a few more than two. by ckret · · Score: 5, Informative

    here you can see a few other ISP's that erases logs.
    This behaviour is not a circumvention of the IPPRED law but an enforcement of law of electronic communication that states that customerinformation that is not needed for daily operations must be erased as soon as possible.
    This law in itself nullifies the IPRED law.

  3. Didn't Bahnhof do this all along? by Bromskloss · · Score: 3, Informative

    As opposed to starting just recently. At least that's what one Slashdotter told us last time.

    And it's "Bahnhof", not "Barnhof". Hehe.

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  4. Incorrect.2 by Meneth · · Score: 5, Informative

    Tele2 is not the second Swedish ISP to scrub IP-customer records. More like the thirteenth. It's a big ISP, though. I suppose that's why people could make the mistake.

  5. Eight ISPs and counting(?) by djonsson · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, eight different ISPs have vowed not to keep these records, instead promising to respect the integrity of their users. They've set up a small organization for this purpose at integrity.st [in swedish]. Tele2 is by far the largest ISP to join so far, though.

  6. Data retention time is also interesting by Slyswede · · Score: 4, Informative

    Another interesting aspect in this whole IPRED mess is the amount of time the other ISPs save their IP-address data.

    According to the IPRED law it is up to the lower court to order an ISP to turn over the subscriber information, but only after examining the evidence of possible copyright infringement.

    This means that if the data is saved for a shorter period than the time it normally takes to investigate an infringement, any order to turn over the data would also eventually fail.

    I've heard from at least one ISP that they normally save data for three weeks, so that should be sufficient, unless the courts suddenly decide to start prioritizing these cases. :(

  7. Re:I asked this on the Bahnhof story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Bahnhof does. No idea about the price of a VPN as you have to contact their sales department. But you can rent a server for ~145$/month and set up your own VPN.

    But if you are looking for a anonymous Swedish VPN service take a look at www.relakks.com. They don't keep any logs either.

    Hope that answers your question.

  8. Europe by kinnaz · · Score: 3, Informative

    There was some initiative made by EU some time ago, that all ips need to be logged for some x amount of time, so i doubt we will see this kind of actions in other countries.

  9. Re:This will likely keep happening by SausageOfDoom · · Score: 1, Informative

    But why would you, if you haven't got anything to hide? The only people who would do this must be terrorists, or users of prostitutes! We should lock you up to protect the children. What a shame we didn't get the 42 day detention-without-charge law passed - still, we can hold you for 28, it's better than nothing.

  10. Re:This will likely keep happening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Using prostitutes is not illegal in the UK.