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Parrots Can Dance

juuri sends in an NPR article about the consensus created among scientists that some birds actually dance to music. "The results of this study are reported in the journal Current Biology, along with another scientific paper inspired by YouTube videos of dancing animals. Adena Schachner is a graduate student in the psychology department of Harvard University. She says she was familiar with the idea that some people had made videos of birds supposedly dancing. ... She and her colleagues eventually analyzed more than 5,000 videos. 'Imagine watching YouTube eight hours a day for a month,' she says. 'That's pretty much what we did. It was amusing for perhaps the first couple of hours.'" juuri adds, "While this makes them somewhat unique in the animal world, as only three animals are now known to dance by verifiable proofs, what struck me more was that this was the first time YouTube had helped forge a new scientific understanding. Given the explosive growth of uploading videos and people watching them, what other new understandings and popular misconceptions will be proven or disproved due to this emerging media?"

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  1. All birds can, actually by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    They can dance if they want to.

    1. Re:All birds can, actually by stonedcat · · Score: 5, Funny

      They can leave their friends behind.

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    2. Re:All birds can, actually by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You don't say "thanks" when someone infects you with a catchy song, you say "Domo Arigato, Mr Roboto"! Turn-about is fair play.

    3. Re:All birds can, actually by cplusplus · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...you're no friend of mine.

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  2. Damnit! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Funny

    Another thing parrots can do that I can't! When will this humiliation end?

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    1. Re:Damnit! by linguizic · · Score: 4, Funny

      You might not be able to dance, but I'm sure you can at least parrot it.

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  3. The pictured Sun Conure by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've got a Sun Conure, which happens to be the same bird in the picture in the summary. He's only 5 months old, so he's not all out dancing, but he does seem to be starting to respond to music, as he'll start to bob his head in time for a few seconds at a time. Search youtube for kimba's song, and you can see the Sun Conure groovin to a performing beatboxer.

    1. Re:The pictured Sun Conure by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 3, Funny

      For the love of all that is holy, do not raise that bird on disco.

    2. Re:The pictured Sun Conure by causality · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've got a Sun Conure, which happens to be the same bird in the picture in the summary. He's only 5 months old, so he's not all out dancing, but he does seem to be starting to respond to music, as he'll start to bob his head in time for a few seconds at a time. Search youtube for kimba's song, and you can see the Sun Conure groovin to a performing beatboxer.

      I have a cockatiel and he's about eight years old. He has a little metal band around one of his feet, I guess to prove that he was domestically bred and not poached (not sure exactly). He does one thing that I've never seen another bird do, though it's not as extreme as actually dancing. If I play certain percussive music or if I drum on my desk with my fingers, he will tap that metal band against his wooden perch to either the same rhythm or the same rhythm with little variations.

      Sometimes he'll do this as a sort of "Simon" game where I'm supposed to match his little drum-solo and then he tries to match mine. It never occurred to me that birds would properly dance, though this one does make displays etc that are a lot like dancing. Either way, they definitely do have the required sense of rhythm. I've kept birds for a number of years and I can say that you can guess but you never really know for certain just how smart they are, except maybe to say "probably more than you think".

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    3. Re:The pictured Sun Conure by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've kept birds for a number of years and I can say that you can guess but you never really know for certain just how smart they are, except maybe to say "probably more than you think".

      Too true. At times, you may think you're training your bird, however, the reverse is true. How many times I've found myself acting like a spastic retard trying to get my brid to do something entertaining...*bows head in shame*

    4. Re:The pictured Sun Conure by causality · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've kept birds for a number of years and I can say that you can guess but you never really know for certain just how smart they are, except maybe to say "probably more than you think".

      Too true. At times, you may think you're training your bird, however, the reverse is true. How many times I've found myself acting like a spastic retard trying to get my brid to do something entertaining...*bows head in shame*

      Haha yeah I know what you mean. There's definitely something special about them. I really think that if more people kept birds, then "bird-brain" would never have been considered an insult.

      Common crows are incredible too. I believe they are the only non-primate that will not only use tools, but make and then use them. Crows have been known to find bits of wire and bend them into a "hook" and use that to get food, probably insects. If there is a nut they want to eat but cannot crack, they have been known to place it on a road and wait for a car to run over it and crack it for them. Of course that sounds very basic to us as humans but that kind of planning and forethought is quite rare among animals.

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    5. Re:The pictured Sun Conure by ratnerstar · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have a cockatiel and he's about eight years old. He has a little metal band around one of his feet ...

      Wow, I thought dancing was impressive, but this guy has a bird that's in a metal band!

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    6. Re:The pictured Sun Conure by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ah, the Sun Conure. Beautiful and intelligent birds. Not so great at the vocal mimicry as others, but fully equipped with an ear-piercing shriek designed to travel great distances through the thick South American rain forests which serves as their equivalent of "hi". Also, quite social and friendly, so they like to say "hi" a lot when they know you're home, though they're not quite up on human social norms enough to understand the concept of sleeping in on a Saturday.

      Plus they can live for 20-40 years.

      Have fun! =D

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    7. Re:The pictured Sun Conure by Reziac · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You'd be amazed the degree to which dogs will plan, including practical jokes. (Speaking from 40 years as a pro dog trainer...) Anything a bright 5 year old child can conceive of, a dog can think up too. Favourites seem to be dunking the unsuspecting in any handy mud or water. I once had a Chesapeake who figured out that dumping people off rafts was a wonderful joke, resulting in lots of amusing screams... and he always waited until they were well out from shore before doing so!

      As to parrots dancing, I doubt this comes as much of a surprise to most long-time owners of such birds. They are very observant and imitative, and it doesn't take much to get them responding to whatever they hear.

      They also play nasty tricks... my sister's parrot hated her dog, and developed the following routine:

      Parrot: Jaz, COME!
      Jaz obediently comes to the parrot's cage.
      Parrot: Jaz, SIT!
      Jaz obediently sits.
      Parrot: BAD DOG!
      Jaz, familiar with his role in this comedy and apparently just indulging the parrot, wags his tail but otherwise ignores this. :)

      As to animals' notion of music... I use big plastic barrels for doghouses. They are fairly resonant. Sometimes young dogs dig like madmen in them, but after a while I realised it wasn't just random futile digging -- they'd do various specific rhythms unlike what they'd do if digging a hole. Finally it occurred to me -- they are DRUMMING. They enjoy the noise for its own sake. I've also caught dogs dragging a stick along the fence to make noise, just like small kids will do.

      What do you get if you offer a kindergarten a variety of "instruments"?? A wide variety of percussion and not much else. Dogs, having about the same congnitive facility as a 5 year old child, do much the same.

      At a guess, parrots probably are about equivalent to a 2 year old... and what do most toddlers do as soon as they're steady on their feet? attempt SOME form of "dancing" whenever they hear music.

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  4. Re: Domo Arigato by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2, Funny

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  5. Re:Which 3 animals? by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Which animals are those? Oregon zoo has concerts close too the elephant pens. Zoo workers their claim the elephants do dance to the music. So are the 3 animals humans, parrots, and elephants, or what?

    This is where reading the full article pays off. The answer is in there lazy one.

  6. Re:Which 3 animals? by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wait... you expect people to actually RTFA? You're new here, aren't you?

    Reading The Fine Article confirms that my guess was correct -- it is humans, parrots, and elephants. However, I believe an elephant would be a poor choice of dance partner, because when that gray old lady steps on your feet, it is really gonna hurt!

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  7. My own dancing cockatoo by Scarbo27 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a Bare-Eyed Cockatoo, and he dances constantly, all the while chanting "dance dance dance." He also chants "shake shake shake your booty" while dancing. I didn't try to teach him either of these things, he taught himself. Of course I taught him the words, but not on purpose, he just picked them up from me. I take him in the shower with me about once a week, and encourage him to shake off before I take him out of the shower stall by telling him to "shake your little white booty" and singing a bit of KC and the Sunshine Band. He also likes music, especially opera, and will sing along with the women, but not the men. He speaks to me with appropriate responses on a regular basis. If one of my other birds gets off its cage he will say "get back on your cage" at it. They are much smarter and aware than most people give them credit for.

    1. Re:My own dancing cockatoo by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have a Bare-Eyed Cockatoo, and he dances constantly...I take him in the shower with me about once a week, and encourage him to shake off before I take him out of the shower stall by telling him to "shake your little white booty" and singing a bit of KC and the Sunshine Band.

      Bare-Eyed Cockatoos are awesome birds, but bare-assed you was hardly what I wanted an image of this early in the morning.

    2. Re:My own dancing cockatoo by MRe_nl · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for the fjords.

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  8. Animism On the Dance Floor by DynaSoar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On behalf of the rest of the animal world:

    "only three animals are now known to dance by verifiable proofs"

    Including humans? They are animals you know.

    The assertion is made due to tests designed and carried out by humans using criteria based on human standards. In species specific behavior, humans can't possibly know when those species are dancing according to their own standards, or for that matter when they're doing something they'd consider to be other than dancing but fits the human criteria as a false positive.

    Another species might well classify most if not all of human dancing as pre-mating ritual, as do some humans. And why not both, escaping from species-specific standards? This would make mating ritual to be dance in thousands of species.

    Of course, like many recent articles, they have to make YouTude into some sort of oracle with the material qualitatively different, in order to make it more relevant. It's not. It's just easier than collecting data on your own.

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    1. Re:Animism On the Dance Floor by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      humans can't possibly know when those species are dancing according to their own standards, or for that matter when they're doing something they'd consider to be other than dancing but fits the human criteria as a false positive.

      The word "dance" is a human word, it means whatever humans want it to. Thus it doesn't matter what another species "thinks" - if we say they are dancing, then they are dancing.

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  9. Re:Psychology researchers are masters of the obvio by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My wife's parrot can whistle "The Happy Wanderer." As a matter of fact, he'll whistle it continuosly until you are ready to strangle him.

    Parrots are like a three year old child in a lot of ways, including repeating a good thing ad infinitum.

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  10. Re:Otter Porn! by Misanthrope · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Otters are the rats of the ocean. Specifically the behaviors of the males during child rearing are atrocious. An adult male will actually hold his own children hostage until the female provides food.