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SpringSource Acquires Hyperic, Possibly Set to Target Microsoft and IBM
Many sources are reporting that SpringSource has acquired Hyperic, creating a company that could go after IBM and Microsoft. SpringSource has long dreamed of being able to offer a complete open source solution that accelerates the entire build, run, manage Java application lifecycle, and Hyperic offers the last piece of the puzzle. "Regardless, the SpringSource/Hyperic combination creates a clear and present danger to IBM and Microsoft, two companies that have largely stood alone in the ability to build, run, and manage applications. It's also a significant boon to companies looking to open source to save money and improve productivity. Is it a sign of good things to come from not only SpringSource, but also open source, generally? Time will tell, but I suspect we're on the cusp of an aggressive and ambitious new phase in open-source competition."
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Microsoft and IBM have lots of competitors (Oracle comes readily to mind). What makes this different, besides the fact I've never heard of either of these companies? A blogger I've also never heard of who wants hits?
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I don't mean anything bad by SpringSource, but those of us in the trenches that have had their pre-purchase findings ignored in favor of some dog-awful monstrosity of an application understand that they probably don't have much of a chance unless they score better 'incentives' than an IBM or Microsoft rep. Along with some very flexible morals, it takes deeep pockets.
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From the summary, it sounds like the company would try to acquire Microsoft and IBM next. Only later it becomes clear that going after refers to their product offerings. Good luck with that, not that they need it with their obviously superior quality.
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1. Who the hell is SpringSource?
2. Who the hell is Hyberic?
Regardless, the SpringSource/Hyperic combination creates a clear and present danger to IBM and Microsoft...
Unless SpringSource or Hyperic has a few billion dollars in the bank that I'm blissfully unaware of, or their own nuclear arsenal, I don't believe this blogger is using the phrase "clear and present danger" in a manner consistent with reality.
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In other news, journalist makes laughable prediction that two companies you've never heard of can threaten two of the largest companies in existence. Media-watchers cynically called this a blogger stunt to boost website hits, noting that sites such as Slashdot "drive a lot of hits" which, combined with Google Adsense, turns into cash for news site, Cnet.com, which hosted the article. Comments, Linda?
News organizations cynically driving consumers to their web pages with fake news, how low can you go?
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Didn't you read the summary? These guys have long dreamed of being able to offer a solution. Plus they're totally unknown underdogs. That means they're just one montage away from coming out on top. Yay!
Two companies you've never heard of merge to create a unified company you won't remember in a week and present no danger what-so-ever to Microsoft nor IBM. I mean, seriously. Let's be real here.
I'd like to see how well they compete with open source solutions first (Django, Rails), before getting excited about conquering the whole industry.
It seem they are still dragging that Albatross "Java" in their nets, hopefully it can do a few more tricks,
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...even I know that SpringSource is behind the Spring Framework which is one of the most popular Java Enterprise Frameworks in use today. It's not like they aren't already in the market. This aquisition just allows SpringSource to have an end to end solution. Most of the comments so far are completely devoid of any knowledge on the subject whatsoever. A quick read through the article and a google search for SpringSource would be enough to enlighten people why this is important. Unfortunately that is too much to ask from most slashdotters.
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Azul Systems is a company that specializes in accelerating Java workloads on Sun, IBM, and X86 machines. I see Azul as being at least as important to a "complete" Java solution as SpringSource and Hypernic..
...but how much revenue does SpringSource actually get out of it? If it's like a bunch of other open source tools, there's a very small percentage of customers that make the leap from "user" to "paying user".
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It sounds like Spring Source has really acquired lots of Hyperbole.
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What I haven't been able to make out of either of the company's website's, is whether they offer 'only' a servlet engine like Tomcat, or a full J2EE Application Server ? It seems to me like they would need at least a full J2EE Application Server like Geronimo to make any sort of threat ?
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Companies nobody has heard of aren't competition for IBM/MS. This isn't revolutionary. Sounds like a company head or a shill.
Hyperic is a GPLed monitoring solution sorta akin to Nagios. I use it to give me my monitoring for my Linux & Windows servers, but also it runs queries against our data vendor's database to ensure that the database is responsive.
I inherited it, which was the first time I ran across it, but after using it I'm a big convert. I recommend taking a serious look at it.
As to the takeover, well, I doubt it'll affect me one way or the other.
Seam does appear to be much nicer than Spring, with state management och avoidance of XML configuration, etc. But what does Guice bring to the table?
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Really, how hard is it to throw in a "monitoring app" somewhere along with all the hyperbole, so people can actually tell if they give a damn?
Yeah, yeah, this is (- A billion, Redundant), but where's the sorely needed (-1, Terrible summary)?
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Is that a swine flu reference?
So long, Anonymous Coward. We'd miss you if we knew who you were.
no worries you can use it with dot net too! ;-)
Honestly though, spring is cool stuff, try it out.
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Looked interesting till I read 'Java'.
So, clearly, having decided that this wasn't a story you were interested in, you ignored it, didn't read any further, and didn't post in the comments thread.
Or at least, that's what most of the rest of us would have done. Why do you feel the need to complain when /. posts a story on a topic you don't care about?
I have a java project, which basically exposes web-services (jax-ws) and it's built on java 1.5+ standard. I considered Spring when I was starting the project a couple years ago. However, I thought that they didn't offer much (for me) with regards to web services and I thought that the point of Spring was to get away from EJBs, which as of java 1.5 are vastly simpler and lighter weight.
So, I've basically been under the impression that Spring would die either as java dies, or as java integrates much of its functionality. What do they bring to the table? I'd honestly like to know.
To me, this is a dying company struggling to stay relevant - but I could certainly be wrong.
... build, run and manage business applications". ...
I'm sorry I didn't read any further. And I was to fast in closing the tabs to copy/paste the URLs. Go look yourself if you're really interested.
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This might seem "niche" until you realize that no one makes money selling solutions to websites that don't have any traffic.
Not true in the slightest. For every site that needs 20 boxes, there are probably 2,000 that work just fine on a single box. The market in small site applications is _much_ larger than the market for big, resource intensive sites.
What I haven't been able to make out of either of the company's website's, is whether they offer 'only' a servlet engine like Tomcat, or a full J2EE Application Server ? It seems to me like they would need at least a full J2EE Application Server like Geronimo to make any sort of threat ?
Neither. SpringSource's main product is Spring Framework, which is a library designed to assist with Java enterprise programming and coexists with either a servlet engine or an app server (but is designed to reduce the need for a full app server in cases that are borderline to needing one). Hyperic's product is a server monitoring framework which, like Spring, can work equally well with either. Neither produces an actual server, whether for servlets or an application server.
I'm not knocking their products, but until they get their stuff Common Criteria, FIPS, and ICSA certified, not many large companies will be darkening their door.
Can I ask... which products do you think need certification, under which standards?
Spring Framework isn't a free-standing application, so I don't see how it _could_ be certified under either Common Criteria or ICSA's certification procedure. For example, CC certification is primarily aimed at isolating the "security functional requirements" of the software and ensuring that they are maintained. It's hard to see how a generic framework that can be used during the implementation of almost any conceivable system has any security functional requirements. It's also hard to see how to ensure they are maintained, as Spring doesn't provide public-facing code but instead utilities to be used by the user-provided public-facing code, which would necessarily be present for any testing. If it implemented any FIPS standards they could presumably be certified, but I believe to the extent it uses such standards it relies on underlying Java and/or application server implementations of them. Hyperic isn't a public-facing application, so I don't see the relevance of security certification... it shouldn't be a security critical application in any case.
Yeah, and Rational Software used to be a separate company too. Does anyone really think SpringSource will be a threat for any significant length of time?
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Why do you feel the need to complain when /. posts a story on a topic you don't care about?
But that wasn't a complaint. It was a simple expression of my thought and opinion. Isn't that what Slashdot's comment system is for?
Mod me a troll and try to impose netiquette on me as much as you like, but the straight and simple fact is that I am not a fan of Java nor its underlying technologies and was therefore disappointed by what I had hoped for Hyperic to be. I'm not (nor will I be) arguing about Java nor about how the Slashdot community expects me to behave.
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