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US Trustee Asks To Send SCO Into Chapter 7
Several readers including Pop69 inform us that the US Trustee's office has asked to convert SCO's Chapter 11 bankruptcy to Chapter 7 — a.k.a. liquidation. Groklaw has the text of the filing: "...not only is there no reasonable chance of 'rehabilitation' in these cases, the Debtors have tried — and failed — to liquidate their business in chapter 11."
That's the fat lady clearing her throat.
Strangely enough, now I want to hear from Enderle and D'Idiot. I want to hear them whine about the unfainess of it all, how these saints were ridden out of town on a rail when their cause was just. I want to hear them tell the tale of the briefcase with millions of lines of copied code was pilfered from SCO's case in the thick of night.
And then I want them to vanish into ignominy.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
Yep. It'll be fascinating to see how O'Gara twists this into an SCO victory, and helps further their appeal.
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
Seriously. What assets do they have left that are worth selling? Patents? Software? I am sure there are still SCO shops around so there might be some interest in Unix Ware, Open Server etc. But how profitable will it be after everyone jumps the SCO ship to other platforms that aren't in danger of becoming unsupported?
All in all, good riddance.
"Strangely enough, now I want to hear from Enderle and D'Idiot. I want to hear them whine about the unfainess of it all, how these Latter Day Saints were ridden out of town on a rail when their cause was just. I want to hear them tell the tale of the briefcase with millions of lines of copied code was pilfered from SCO's case in the thick of night."
They'll probably have to drive a stake through the corporate charter to make SCO stay dead.
And I was hoping this year's lawsuit would be the bestest one ever!
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Don't worry. The SCO execs still made their money and are most likely very comfortable. Shame they never got investigated for insider trading when they started dumping their own stock, while filing waves of lawsuits, or is that legal? IP was the last leg their company had to stand on, and that was a shaky one at best. It is kind of sad that it took them this long to finally burn through all their cash on lawyers. Couldn't they have just called it a day and given the money to charity or something or maybe tried to reinvest in a new venture? Clearly they didn't see any sort of long term future for SCO. Does any still even actively license their craptacular "Unix" from them?
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Allow me to say, it's about damn time.
On the domain names. SCO.COM is just begging to be another rotten.com, and caldera.com offers the potential for some intriguing third level domains.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
One year, four months since I submitted this frontpaged Slashdot article about SCO being delisted from NASDAQ: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/27/1438204
I must ask again... is the wicked witch finally dead, YET?!
(Captcha: Circus. How. Very. Appropriate.)
Ha Ha!
...where would SCO be today if it hadn't started filing lawsuits? Sure, it wouldn't have had that cash infusion from Microsoft, but what was the state of that company and where was it headed prior to the suits? Would SCO still be a respected Unix vendor?
... don't mess with da penguin.
SCO OWNS LINUX!!!
(cue the SCO$699FeeTroll)
I don't understand, their reality distortion field has got to be worth millions in it's own right. Nice thing about chapter 7 is they have to auction /everything/. I wonder if you can buy their data and load up their servers to see what they were really thinking. Perhaps someone can buy whatever rights they thought they had and donate everything to the FSF.
I'm taking bets on how much bailout money they will get from the federal Gov. Gotta keep a politician's palm greased for a rainy day, you know?
Life is not for the lazy.
"Perhaps someone can buy whatever rights they thought they had and donate everything to the FSF."
Where is Bruce? More importantly, where is his checkbook? He likes to buy stuff.
Seems like the office supplies, the inventory of their soda machine, and the desk chairs might the most valuable assets the company has. DIAF, SCO.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
Short and to the point, slightly misogynistic and/or homo-erotic. 7/10.
Thanks. I'll try harder next time.
...to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock smoking teabaggers!
Seriously. What assets do they have left that are worth selling? Patents? Software?
Well, sometimes you have to consider that the 'best' return on your investment is to 'render that horse' into dog food and glue. SCO has seemingly passed up both of those viable options in the hope of a MS type miracle, and failed.
Haul that dead horse to the rendering plant, and finally put it out of 'all of our miseries'!
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Hey, didn't judge kimball have novell's money set aside in a constructive trust?
I hope someone at SCO gets nailed for contempt.
Novell has probably got to be mega POed right now.
Today's top story: In a bid to stave off bankruptcy, SCO Inc. has decided to sue everyone. That's right, everyone. SCO spokesman Seth Tuller says that 'everyone' will be served with court papers during lunch-time tomorrow. Tuller is quoting as saying, "Everyone owes us money, and everyone must pay." Stockholders are up in arms over this last minute bid to serve the entire world with a reverse class-action lawsuit, saying that the estimated $100 billion cost of doing so is just the latest in a long line of terrible decisions by company management.
In other news, the dancing penguin video has become the latest sensation to hit the web...
"I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist"
Let's not forget to archive the materials they have published (mostly as Caldera). There is some useful information there.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
I wonder...where would SCO be today if it hadn't started filing lawsuits?
Same place, chapter 7.
They knew they were tanking and that's why they did this hail mary "let's sue IBM" nonsense. Their UN*X product was not spectacular. They didn't really offer anything unique or give any compelling reasons to do any business with them.
People do this sort of thing all the time. There is something nearly universal in the human psyche that says that it makes sense to spend your last five bucks to buy a lottery ticket.
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
Chapter 7 probably makes sense for a company like SCO, but they have one argument against it: liquidate what?
This is a hacked account, for which the owner can not be held responsible.
Look up
... when they started suing everybody who did anything SONET (including our company) over potential infringements of their patents. (I got dragged in because a chip I had co-architected included a SONET-like framer and some other telecom carrier framer stuff.)
When the company is sinking and the management is grabbing any floating debris that might keep their heads above water, the patent portfolio that USED to be just for protection against suits from others suddenly becomes a potential cash cow. (Or an inflatable life raft to continue the previous metaphor.) And a technology company starts taking on the appearance of a patent troll operation.
Of course in SCO's case it looks like the patent trolls bought into the sinking company so they could use it for trolling...
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
I think a sharpened wooden stake is called for at this point.
One of these days I'm moving to Theory - everything works there
It becomes a steal. They can buy back much of the "IP" at fire-sale prices, while still holding a priority claim on what is left.
http://www.sco.com/successes/
How true indeed...
"Don't let fools fool you. They are the clever ones."
Would you eat lawyers and CEO's?
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Who will snipe the final bid for "Unixâ" when it shows up Ebay?
the funny thing is..... SCO is like a zombie. Just when you think it's dead, a hand reaches from under the bed and grabs your leg.
It'll take a shotgun to the face to get rid of SCO. (a.k.a buy the trademark and all SCO's IP and release it all under creative commons / GPL / public domain....)
ObBallmer:
I hear that Ballmer is going to bid on the office chairs.
Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
... I sure had to do one this evening.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
If PJ is a sponge, what does that make you? And if she was on a gravy train, does that mean you were in a racket?
Where do you get that? The hearing didn't even happen yet.
There was a point in time when there was an SCO (probably prior to 7 buy outs and name transfers) that actually focused on technology. I remember when their product, in my opinion was the best UNIX desktop if for no other reason, but they had a control panel while everyone else still used configuration files. It was a dream being able to change screen resolution without having to restart X.
They also made some products in their Tarentella line which was a port of the Microsoft SMB stack and therefore was a MUCH MUCH better solution than the Samba of the time. In fact, management-wise, it might still be better. After all, when you can spend less time reverse engineering and hacking with compatibility problems you can spend more time on usability.
I guess that company is long gone and what's going bankrupt now is just some predators who attempted to capitalize off the accomplishments of the old SCO.
But Goodbye SCO. I miss you
As a professional, writing software for different Unix dialects.. I can only say so much:
HAHaHaHaHaHaHaHAHAHaHaHaHaHAHA!!!
But be honest, you KNOW this hand comes, don't you? I mean, how many zombie movies have you seen? You're actually pissed when it doesn't come. It's like sex without an orgasm when you're sitting there, the hero has his love interest in his arms and that fuckin' zombie stays just DEAD. "C'mon! Move!", you scream at the screen, "how can you let him get away with this without a last, feeble attempt to claw at him!"
I'd feel cheated if zombie Darl didn't at least try to move and lift four fingers to make that chapter 7 an 11 again.
I feel there's a 7-Eleven joke in there somewhere, if someone finds it, please inform me. Thanks.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I wonder when they will come banging on the door of senior SCO managers who performed insider trading. Also, it wouldn't amaze me if they follow the cash donation (that $500.000.000 they got from Microsoft) back to the source and start asking some very nasty questions over there.
SEC's arguments: competition fraud, misleading shareholders, inciting forgery of papers, inciting abuse of the judicial system.
When will that RICO act be invoked against Microsoft by the SEC?
While we've been worrying about a small company trying to make money by patent trolling large ones, the Masters of the Universe held whole governments to ransom. Bernie Madoff's petty cash fund is probably bigger than the entire SCO case.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
Don't pay them a frigging cent.
When SCO is dead and closed, THEN take up the SCO trademark. When the zombie is dead, THEN you bury it under a crossroads.
You don't pick out the crossroads before the bastard is down.
If anyone is at a loss for useful examples, I should think Circuit City ought to be a recent memory of exactly this.
He who has no
Intel had all the specs on the x86. And the multiprocessor work was done on an alpha and ported to x86 with that Intel-sourced information.
SCO had also put quite a lot into GPL themselves before DMB got on board and sacked all the people who told him that.
being able to drag SCO out, cut off its head, stake it through the heart and bury it face down at a crossroads.
Then I'd like to take off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
Did anyone else read "both of those viable options" as being the dog food and glue?
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Somehow it all turned into a giant circus
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SOMEHOW?!?!?!
Don't say that like it just magically happened.
SCO turned it into a circus, and Darl McBride was the ringmaster.
I'm sorry, but the question was if anyone still actively goes and buys a license.
E.g., given the state of IP in Russia or China, I can't possibly imagine that the Bank Of Russia (or for that matter the China Post) actually bought full price licenses for those 22,000 branches. Most likely they had copied it lots, and if they even have a license in the meantime, they probably got some _massively_ discounted blanket license as most companies sell for Russia, China, etc. That or it was some scam in which it was imported through the CEO's brother's ghost company and it was just a way to siphon some money into their private pockets.
E.g., those BMW service centres or the Deutsche Bahn, I don't imagine they still pay anything for that SCO Unix or designing new systems around it. Most likely they still have some legacy stuff from the 80's or early 90's, and it stays there just because nobody can be arsed to replace it with something newer. Or maybe it's the same I'll get to for McDonald.
Running McDonald restaurants? Now that really gets me thinking. It's not like a McDonald restaurant has its own computing centre at all. If they're that big on SCO Unix, why only in restaurants? And why not in all restaurants? Does McDonald have anything against a homogenous and easy to administrate network?
What this last one gets me to suspect is that it's really more along the lines of "whatever embedded OS came with those cashier machines." Roll that around in your head a bit.
What that really tells me is that McDonald doesn't actually give a flying fuck about SCO Unix as such. They just have a bunch of cashier machines which incidentally came with SCO on them. But they wouldn't give a rat's arse about whether it's SCO or Linux or some embedded version of Windows or some refurbished thing based on OS/2, as long as it still talks the same protocols to the rest of their network.
And they probably won't shed one tear for SCO. Whoever manufactures those terminals will just switch to something else and McDonald won't even notice, nor care.
And it makes me wonder how many others on that list are essentially the same misleading claim. E.g., pharmacies? I don't imagine many either (A) actually implementing any meaningful computer centre in the back, or (B) actually choosing SCO for that. Most likely, again, it was whatever embedded crap came with their cashier machines. They'll keep them happily untilt they stop working at all, then replace them with some other machine that talks to the same protocol, and probably don't even know they run SCO at all.
Same for probably a lot of other retailers, since SCO seems to hype that.
I'm sorry, but that doesn't equal "actively licensing their craptacular Unix." In reality the only ones who actually actively licensed SCO there were the one or maybe two manufacturers of those cashier machines, and even those probably just because they got some old 16 bit version for peanuts.
And I'd be surprised if any of those would _still_ go and license SCO for a new machine, since the word "still" was in the GP's question too. Most likely it's something they licensed a decade or two ago, and never thought about it ever since.
A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
Death stares at the SCO lawyer with that timeless look of certainty that even a drunken fool knows means it's time to pay the bill and run
Death "I TOLD YOU, I NEVER LOSE AT THESE GAMES, NOW IT IS MY TURN"
No the Obama Administration is either going to bail them out or take them over. Perhaps both.
What IP is there?
Their trademark is a liability. And their reseller contract on Novell's Unix code isn't worth much, if anything.
The Salt Lake Newspaper is reporting a mass exodus from Salt Lake City as it has been reported by NASA that a mile wide asteroid has been confirmed targeting the area and is entering the atmosphere.
SCO had the lead in Unix on x86 hardware and apparently were used widely in certain sectors.
No, they most certainly did not.
Santa Cruz Operation had the lead in Unix on x86 hardware.
"The SCO Group", which is the company we're talking about, was a failed Linux vendor who called itself "SCO" after they decided to file baseless lawsuits.
The Salt Lake City Tribune is reporting a mass exodus from the Salt Lake City Area, as NASA has reported that a meteor is destined to hit, and now is in the outer stratosphere. News at 10
<Hindi>
Why is 11 afraid of 7?
Because 7 8 9!
</Hindi>
http://www.sco.com/company/jobs/
If I were Darl, I'd be headed to a country that doesn't cooperate with U.S. extradition requests.
"The ferrets, they're every where I tell you!"
it's been a while since we all got to vent our frustrations out on darl. to be fair, SCO has been a fun punching bag over the years, if nothing else.
frog blast the vent core
My guess: with a brilliant kick from 40+ yards out.
"You can't allow somebody to commit the crime before you detain them." [Condoleezza Rice]
In a Chapter 11, the debtor usually gets to be its own trustee (the Debtor in Possession) unless its removed for cause. The DIP sets the table for the judge. In a Chapter 7, the Chapter 7 trustee runs the show. The Chapter 7 trustee is all about maximizing return to unsecured creditors (and not about manipulating litigation to benefit unseen third parties). If an "asset" costs more to get than it would yield, then the Chapter 7 trustee isn't going to waste time on it.
If there is puppet-mastering in this case, it ought to be coming to an end now.
I know plenty of LDS folks. Nearly all of them good people who would prefer that McBride and company had been dismissed outright because SCO's bad ethics started at the top and the mindset is that bad ethics by any member of a religious community taints the whole community.
I can think of a few more:
What it does mean is that the bad apples spoil the reputation of the whole, and so part of what we as large groups in a good society should insist on is that "all bad apples get run out of town on a rail."
...Open Source isn't the only answer -- but it's almost always a better value than the alternatives...
While she's clearing her throat, those of us in the audience are singing...
Sing with me now...
Na na na na. Na na na na. Hey hey hey! Goodbye!
With their sinking boat you can still bail them over.
Coz eternity my friend, is a long *ing time.
I have nothing against Mormons because of SCO; I just couldn't resist the opportunity for a pun.
I'm no SCO-lover, or a lawyer for that matter, but isn't the whole point of Chapter 11 that you get *protection* from your creditors while you reorganize?
I'm just curious on how they can be forced into a Chapter 7? Failed reorganization?
FUNK!
Hold on a second people ... SCO loves to trumpet the fact that their unix product runs the POS systems at McDonald's! We need the computers at McDonald's to stay up and running! How the hell am I going to buy a Big Mac without SCO Unix?!!
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Would have helped their case if they'd checked before starting that they actually *owned* the copyrights they were trying to leverage.
They probably did that and came to your very conclusion. Then decided that if you couldn't dazzle them with brilliance, they could baffle them with bullshit.
Look at how evasive they've been from the beginning. They've always known they weren't holding the cards. The entire thing was a gigantic orchestrated bluff.
Every time they'd make a press release they'd say "millions of lines of infringing code!" But if they were asked if anyone could actually SEE them, they'd stall. Because they've known from the beginning that any actual discovery would have shot their case to crap in a matter of days.
But as long as they could maintain the public image of a company wronged, they could bank on that. And this whole thing was about investor fraud. The kept pushing the "there is a pot of gold at the end of this rainbow" stuff, and managed to rake in over fifty million from Baystar alone based on the strength of their convictions. As well as all the other poor suckers in the stock market. They took in millions, the execs and the lawyers paid themselves millions, and they abandoned the husk of a company to the wolves once it was time to put the cards on the table.
It's all pretty criminal really.
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
and finally, being a citizen of the US does not automatically make me or you or any other "American" is a jerk or somehow better or worse than any other average person.
It does make one bad at grammar though...
If you quote this signature there'll be 72 copies of Windows ME waiting for you in Heaven.
If you can't get your McNuggets due to an SCO glitch, just dial 911 three or four times. they'll straighten it out for you.
"You can't really dust for vomit" --Nigel Tufnel
Does anyone have the full lyrics to "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" ?
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. Emo Philips
It's rather more mediocreap, crapedestrian, crapluster, or maybe, crap ci, crap ca. Downright Bush League, it was.
If you mod me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
This saga has been dragged out so long, I won't be sorry to hear the last of SCO.
The sad thing is that once upon a time, they provided a Unix variant (Xenix), which (for all of its earlier association with Microsoft) in the days when other x86 *nix options were non-existent, was actually useful for those of us who had the thankless task of getting distributed computing systems running on what was essentially consumer hardware.
The trouble is, I'm not sure the metamorphoses into UnixWare and SCO UNIX represented any real change in the codebase (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this), and if they had seen fit to put more resources into actual development, SCO might have retained an active market share even in the face of Linux.
Instead, they pissed their product against the wall, leaving the courts to argue over the stains.
I prefer that a spike be driven through their hearts.
McD's announced about three years back they were moving their point-of-sale platform to Windows .
This alone would have killed off SCOX as the Golden Arches were their single biggest customer.
Other than this, there's a few auto-service point-of-sale packages on SCO UNIX (ex. the Goodyear/Gemini franchisees), though I gather these are migrating as quickly as possible.
SCOX(Q) DELENDA EST!!
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
Turns up some software company that does POS for auto service shops is promoting a "bailout program" from UNIX to Linux .
Those two would cover most of the existing base.
SCOX(Q) DELENDA EST
Just like 7-Eleven, it never closes....
(and at 4 am it's full of Zombies!)
The sad thing is that once upon a time, they provided a Unix variant (Xenix),
No, they didn't. That was the Santa Cruz Operation, or SCO, of Santa Cruz California, which did that. They are now named "Tarantella", and are still in business as far as I know.
The company in this article is "The SCO Group", of Linden, Utah, formerly named "Caldera" (of Linux fame).
Caldera bought some assets from old-SCO, renamed themselves "The SCO Group", and that's who they are now. They have never been the same company as the one that made Xenix, or had any of the same people.
the controversy about the cover up of pedophile Roman Catholic priests by the hierarchy does not mean that the Pope nor the Catholicy laity support child abuse,
I disagree. While it doesn't really reflect on the laity, the coverup absolutely shows that the Catholic Church leadership supports child abuse.
Seriously, if you were the CEO of a company, and you found out that some of your employees were abusing children, would you cover it up, or would you turn them in to the authorities? Just because the Catholic Church is a religious institution doesn't make that any different. The Church hierarchy should be facing criminal charges for covering that stuff up. The only question here is how much the Pope (or previous Pope) knew, and exactly which bishops/cardinals/etc. were responsible or had direct knowledge.
I'd rather the trustee send SCO into the deepest depths of Hades, but I guess sending it into Chapter 7 is a good start!
Why are they going bankrupt, when they are going to be getting that $4 billion judgment from IBM any day real soon now?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Their bankruptcy only goes to 7.
There's the imaginary Unix copyrights. Even the court(s) agree(!s) that they belong to Novell, but SCO will just move to Scandinavia and sue someone else.
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Rob Enderle long ago admitted, that he was wrong. But he claimed that it was the constant bashing by the Linux community that made him believe SCO in the first place.
Amateurs the lot of you - that's why it keeps clawing its way out of the grave.
FIRST: You stake its heart. That will immobilize it, but it doesn't kill it. But immobilizing it is the first step.
NEXT: Fill its mouth with garlic and sew it shut. That is to keep it from calling out to its minions to be freed.
THEN: Behead it with a grave-diggers shovel.
FINALLY: Bury it at a cross-roads, and consecrate the ground.
Now, was that so hard?
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Fair enough, I stand corrected.
Parent deserves an 'informative'
Actually Xenix was a Microsoft product marketed by SCO which Microsoft founded to sell their version of Unix to businesses. Bill sold his interest in SCO when NT came out. Until then all/most/some Microsoft products were actually developed under Xenix.
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Weak. Very weak.
By Slashdot-approved car analogy, Enderle admitted long ago that he shouldn't have driven off the cliff. But the constant bashing by the "OMG The bridge is out" community made him believe the bridge was fine in the first place.
"It's your fault! You warned me! That makes it YOUR FAULT!"
I can almost respect making excuses, but not making lame, totally illogical, absolutely non-credible excuses. THAT, I can laugh at and mock.
Welcome to the Panopticon. Used to be a prison, now it's your home.
"the coverup absolutely shows that the Catholic Church leadership supports child abuse".
Prove it.
Prove "Absolutely shows" -- especially wen that is clearly a mtter of opinion.
Prove "SUPPORTS" - i.e. intentionally encouraging these priests to abuse children.
Evidence shows that the Church is, and for the past decade or so, has been actively engaged in multiple efforts involving layers of regulation, certification, oversight, observation and cross checking and training of people who work with children., ALL of that speficially to PREVENT abuse.
In other words you do not know what you are talking about with "supports". Make that PAST TENSE and you might have an argument but to smear the entire clergy and hierarchy is a HUGE error on your part.
So: apologize for misstating the case - you're wrong, Admit it.
Put it in past tense and call it "allowed" (not *supported* ) then you have the argument framed correctly.
SO lets look at that large smear you laucnhed in proper context:
Its clear that the Catholic Church as a whole has gone after these problem priests. And if you note the FACTS, the vast majority of the abuses occurred prior to the early 1990's, when the Church heirachy finally started getting sued and depositioned in court. The shame is that it took them that long - but they have changed.
So "supports" is wrong in intent and in tense. In other words you are wrong. Apologize.
They only thing "supportED" was a coverup of the allowance, certainly not the abuse.
Some of the problem is based in Catholic theology and other parts are humna nature.
Its catholic doctrine that a priest is specially marked by God, thus must be "redeemed" - i.e. extensive attempts at rehab. That's one reason for moving instead of turning in the priest to the law. Weak excuse? Yes, but its what they believe. Forgive the sinner, and all that.
Other parts of it are related to the doctrine of confession. The individuals committing the acts leveraged that to their advantage. To avoid both legal and Church punishment by abusing the seal of the confessional - they confess and the priest cannot say or do anything based on what he heard in the confessional. Nothing can be done based on that. This leaves the only alternative for the local Church of kicking them to a different diocese without much comment. Also, the worst cases were decades prior to the actual reports, making it nearly impossible for the Church to act. In fact, some of the worst cases were brought against the Catholic Church after the priests in question were dead.
These first two items are a weakness in the structure and dogma of the church itself. Catholic Doctrine was turned in on itself to the advantage of the abusers. This was leveraged well by the pedophiles, but it does not mean the doctrine is wrong. The pedophiles abuse the Catholic Church much the way the KKK and Neo-Nazis leverage the First amendment to set up the abuse of minorities.
And the third part was where the real fault ocurred: typical of any large organization, the instinct was denial and political covering.
As a non-religious example, check what happened during the same period with the far more numerous abuse of children by public school employees. Its the same thing prior to about 6-7 years ago. The main difference is the schools cannot be sued for millions, 20+ years after the fact, unlike private organizations, and so, they do not make splashy national headlines.
So, as Doctor Cox from scrubs would say:
You are wrong wrong wrongitty wrong newbie.
And before you ad hominem me by trying to say I'm a priest: I am not. However, my uncle is, and he is a good honest caring and compassionate man, who became a priest after his wife died from cancer. He is far more a typical priest in terms of behavior than the caricature you drag out of your own fevered imagination or Dan Brown books. And he's pretty nice to me even though I'm an agnostic.
There is a difference. You missed it. you lose.
You sure you want to use the character "Dr Cox" when talking about pedophiles?
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What it does mean is that the bad apples spoil the reputation of the whole, and so part of what we as large groups in a good society should insist on is that "all bad apples get run out of town on a rail."
You are responsible for what you materially support. If you're a member of a group, you lend your support to that group the moment you self-identify as a member of that group. By that deed, and no more than that, you make yourself responsible. If your leader betrays you, that doesn't mean you get off the hook... it means you're responsible for being irresponsible enough to allow that to be possible in the first place, just like someone who leaves a loaded gun on the floor next to a child.
The first step towards getting out of this fucking mess is honestly assessing what's really going on and why it was able to happen. Buck-passing might make you feel good when you look in the mirror, but it's not going to earn you any forgiveness. Not when SCO does it, not when the Catholics do it, not when the Americans do it, not ever. Stop believing the lies you tell your children.
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I just wanted to point out that there will probably no further excuse from Rob Enderle, because there already was one.
Yes, but the sad thing is what they leave behind: a bankrupt company, broke employees who had nothing to do with the bilking, and another failure.
On the other hand, they can afford to "vanish into ignominy" because they bilked the corporation and its shareholders.
Sad.. and, as corporate officers, they should go to jail and lose their ill-gotten gains. IMHO.