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Virgin Media UK Pilots 200Mbps Broadband Speeds

MJackson writes "UK cable operator Virgin Media has announced the first real-world customer pilots of up to 200Mbps broadband services using DOCSIS3 technology from Cisco, which could make it one of the fastest Internet Service Providers (ISPs) in the world. Following successful lab trials, the 6 month long pilot started last week in Ashford, Kent (England), and will ultimately employ 100 customers in the testing process. The pilot will, among other things, test future online consumer applications, including High Definition Internet TV (HD IPTV) and the ability to deliver applications and support for home IT needs through its network. By comparison J:Com in Japan supplies broadband at up to 160Mbps and Cablevision in the US supplies broadband at up to 101Mbps. Like Virgin Media, both companies use DOCSIS3 technology for broadband over cable networks."

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  1. Stop it! by FredFredrickson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just shut up, ok? Last month, my provider finally converted me from 1.5 mbps to 7 mbps. (Fairpoint, just bought Northeastern USA from Verizon) Do you understand that only now can we start using things like Netflix Watchnow and the like? Oh, but Youtube, for whatever reason, still buffers for 5 minutes.

    Anyway, my point is this. Stop bragging, you're seriously making me want to stab my eyes with grapefruit spoons.

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    1. Re:Stop it! by smallfries · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't worry, if it's anything like any other Virgin product then the throttle to 1Mb/s will kick in after 5 minutes. And as for BitTorrent, yeah right...

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    2. Re:Stop it! by formattedFury · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, but Youtube, for whatever reason, still buffers for 5 minutes.

      I'll make an insightful comment once the rest of this page finishes loading on my connection...

    3. Re:Stop it! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative
      It's okay, it's Virgin Media. For those of you outside the UK, this means:
      • Upstream just about fast enough for the TCP ACKs generated by saturating the downstream, but only just.
      • Soft caps, so if you download more than a GB or so, or upload a few hundred MBs, you get throttled back to ISDN speeds for a few hours.
      • Painful technical support that's been outsourced, off-shored, and dramatically reduced in size in spite of being understaffed to start with.
      • Subscription to the same government-approved (but not government-controlled or publicly-accountable) censor as the other major UK ISPs (the IWF).
      • Phorm.

      Virgin Media are so bad they almost make BT look good. Almost.

      Stop bragging, you're seriously making me want to stab my eyes with grapefruit spoons.

      At least you still have grapefruit spoons. They are no longer sold in the UK, due to health and safety concerns over people cutting their mouths (I honestly wish I was making this one up - you can still find them in second-hand shops, but good luck finding new ones).

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    4. Re:Stop it! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh, but Youtube, for whatever reason, still buffers for 5 minutes

      This is often caused by a badly-configured proxy. We had this problem on campus. In spite of GigE inside and a 34GB/s connection outside, YouTube still took a long time to start playing. It turned out that the proxy was configured to download the file and then pass it on to the client when it had it all. A lot of the time, the connection to the proxy would time out while the proxy was waiting for YouTube to send the whole file, but when you hit refresh it would load almost instantly.

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    5. Re:Stop it! by FredFredrickson · · Score: 3, Funny

      So, wait.. how do you eat grapefruits?

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    6. Re:Stop it! by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Funny

      So, wait.. how do you eat grapefruits?

      You out-source the cutting to a country which doesn't treat you as a 2 year old kid and then simply import the remaining juice ;)

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    7. Re:Stop it! by eleuthero · · Score: 4, Funny

      So, wait.. how do you eat grapefruits?

      You don't. Sale of those potent carriers of citric acid was restricted due to too many emergency room cases caused by people who shot themselves in the eye with the juice when trying to eat grapefruits without grapefruit spoons.

    8. Re:Stop it! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do they have a transparent proxy? Virgin Media, the helpful people in TFA, run one but it used to frequently get overloaded. If you manually configure a proxy then you bypass the transparent one. If your ISP advertises proxy settings, try using them. If this doesn't speed things up, call them and complain.

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    9. Re:Stop it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      At least you still have grapefruit spoons. They are no longer sold in the UK, due to health and safety concerns over people cutting their mouths (I honestly wish I was making this one up - you can still find them in second-hand shops, but good luck finding new ones).

      You are.

    10. Re:Stop it! by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Given the way the UK has become Oceana lately, it's unfortunately not obvious that it's a joke.

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    11. Re:Stop it! by telchine · · Score: 2, Informative

      At least you still have grapefruit spoons. They are no longer sold in the UK

      http://www.johnlewis.com/230483123/Product.aspx?source=14798

    12. Re:Stop it! by Mr2cents · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just imagine, flying over the ocean at nearly the speed of sound, with a computer sitting on your lap performing billions of calculations each seconds, a battery-powered machine whose workings have been grafted with atomic precision into ultra-pure silicon. It communicates with a satellite orbiting the earth that bounces the data back, and it finds it way though a worldwide maze of wires that spans the earth like mycelium. Technology has come a long way.

      All that to play online tetris.

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    13. Re:Stop it! by CarpetShark · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't worry, if it's anything like any other Virgin product then the throttle to 1Mb/s will kick in after 5 minutes.

      Yep. ISPs can invest in all the technology and great-sounding packages they like, but while they have throttling at arbitrary and unspecified limits that consumers cannot find out then their offers amount to precisely fuck all squared. I'd gladly take any 2Mbps unmetered ISP that guarantees no limits and no metering, over any 8Mbps service, or even a 100MBps service. Broadband is about having a reliable, always on connection that I can trust to be there, and can predict the capacity of, not about having some ultra-fast thing that can't be used.

    14. Re:Stop it! by twokay · · Score: 2, Informative

      At the moment their top 50Mbit tier is totally uncapped. I guess if you raped it constantly they might say something, but at least in comparison to their other offerings it is.

      If im going to be capped id rather be capped during the times their network is under the most load, than some blanket 50GB/100GB cap for the month. Which is what seems most common. At least i can make full use of my 20Mbit connection during off-peak times.

      If i wanted i could leave bittorrent running for ~12hrs at night and not hit any cap. Not bad for the UK. If i do any big downloads i just wait until after 9pm.

      I have hit the caps before now without realising it. They may become a real issue if you did lots of HD streaming (iPlayer HD maybe). But 95% of the time i can watch whatever i want on iPlayer, browse the web etc. and not hit their peak-time caps.

      Im satisfied with Mr Branson so far ;)

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  2. Knowing VM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    200Mbps down with traffic shaping that'll cut you'r speed to 2Mbps after the first 5GB of transfer. Consumers don't need this kind of download speed, what we do need is more upload speed say a 5Mbps symmetric service.

  3. In other news.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ....the US overall reaches new broadband speeds of nearly 20mbps for half its citizens in the year 2025!!!

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  4. Shenanagins by IP_Troll · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cablevision in the US supplies broadband at up to 101Mbps

    Cablevision has announced that they are going to offer 101 Mbps service. Hold off on giving them credit until they actually do it.

    1. Re:Shenanagins by Algan · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Virgin announcement referred to an initial trial limited to 100 customers. From what I've read on Optimum Online forums, the number of trial customers currently having the Cablevision's Ultra package is probably an order of magnitude higher. Also, they claim the new package will be available throughout their entire footprint on May 11, unlike the staggered rollout that Virgin appears to be planning. Anyway, come next week, I plan on taking them up to the task ... we'll see

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  5. Take a look Timewarner! by mc1138 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Rather then trying furiously to single out their biggest users and punish, we have a company thats actually focusing on improving their infrastructure to provide a better experience. I'm not sure which will help their image more...

    1. Re:Take a look Timewarner! by roguetrick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't know much about Virgin Media, do you?

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  6. 101 Mbps from cable vision?? by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, maybe in house, when no one else is connected.. and the sun is at the perfect angle and theres a fish hopping through the air in the middle of the atlantic. But not just any fish, you see this is a special fish, the fish of broadband. And he only shows up but once every fortnight and if you look carefully, you will hear him laughing at us all in the distance

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  7. DOCSIS 3 is a bitch for the US of A. by GPLDAN · · Score: 3, Informative

    Lest anyone think DOCSIS 3 is just new hardware at both ends, let me assure you - it isn't.

    From: http://www.cable360.net/ct/strategy/emergingtech/34304.html

    The DTI specification has a distance limitation of 200 meters between the CMTS and edge QAM modulator. There are ideas of utilizing global positioning system (GPS) to sync multiple time servers to allow the edge QAM modulator to be in a hub site and the CMTS in the headend.

    The US of A is a big place. Much bigger than say - the UK. Or Japan. Each of which are about the size of Texas and Oklahoma combined. The US of A is MUCH MUCH larger. You start running into economies of scale, since your HFC needs to run to individual neighborhood drops.

    It's a much bigger problem, and not quite the answer to FiOS dropping MMF right into your home.

    1. Re:DOCSIS 3 is a bitch for the US of A. by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True. The answer is for municipalities to run fiber to the home and then lease access to providers who want to sell to those customers.

    2. Re:DOCSIS 3 is a bitch for the US of A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That only explains why broadband penetration is so low. That does not explain why the quality of service is universally poor. There are plenty of regions in the US that are as dense and populous as these countries with 3.14159 petabit/sec connections, yet in the US we get crap no matter where you live.

  8. Re:3. 2. 1. by ickleberry · · Score: 3, Informative

    The USA is a vast land with lots of empty space where as England has around 80 million people shoved into a tiny space, lots of cramped little towns and therefore its easier and cheaper to install a high-speed network. Korea is similar - 80% mountain and then lots of very densely populated towns filled with apartment blocks that are worth bringing FTTH services to.

    Its all a trade off really, you can live in a densely populated region with no space and have fast internet or live in the country side where there is plenty of space, cheap land and unpolluted air and put up with slow DSL or wireless unless you have the money to lease 200Mbits of capacity from a satellite.

    The good news for all you yanks stuck with 'slow' connections is that most Brits won't be able to get it either. Cable isn't available in any of the slightly rural places (Even inside the M25!) and all their traffic is analysed by MI5, MI6, The cops, the local council or any other government agency who wants to dig up dirt on them.

  9. Bizarro world by get+quad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Something about "Give me Virgin speed" sounds a bit off-putting. Strange days.

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  10. "Real" Broadband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The U.S. will not catch up with other countries on the race to national broadband until:

    1. The definitions of what a "broadband" connection actually is are cleared up
    2. REAL competition is introduced to drive down competitors costs (the cost for cable internet access is still outrageous!)
    3. The content of the internet mandates broadband connection speeds to experience.

    We're probably closest to #3... but we are bogged down in legalese for #1 and #2 is frighteningly far away. Until the government forces competition for the cable companies into existence... prices will remain through the roof. Money mongers are everywhere...

  11. Yes, but is it capped? by Itninja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just got Comcast's 'Ultra' package that gives me 50Mbps. But since it's capped at 250GB monthly, I can't exactly use it as much as I want. What good is crazy fat bandwidth if one gets shut off after three days?

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  12. A pittance... by aztektum · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pf, 250 Million-bits...!? I demand 1 Billion-bits! *pinky to mouth*

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  13. Re:3. 2. 1. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Right, I live in central New York. Mind telling me who I should call to get 100 Mbit like other similar cities in the world? Or is New York not crowded enough for you?

  14. Re:3. 2. 1. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The USA is a vast land with lots of empty space where as England has around 80 million people shoved into a tiny space

    The UK as a whole has around 60 million people. England has less than that. Britain has a similar population density to most of the costal states in the USA - lower than some - and has some of the worst broadband in Europe. The UK has the 48th highest population density in the world, with 246/km^2. New Jersey has 438/km^2, so presumably it has much better Internet access?

    It's also worth noting that the population density numbers for the UK are massively skewed by London, which has an insane population density of 4,761km^2. The London metropolitan area contains around 14m people; around 25% of the UK population. Outside this area, the population density is well in line with the most densely populated 10-15 states, which accounts for a significant proportion of the total US population.

    Even in the less-populated US states, the density isn't as bad as it would at first appear. Take Utah, for example, the 40th most populous state with only 10 people per square km. Of these, 2.7m people, almost half live in Salt Lake City, with a population density up at 643.3/km^2. I suspect you will find that more than half of the people in the USA live in regions with a greater population density than the UK average so, by your argument, I'd expect all of these urban and suburbanites to have 100+Mb/s connections.

  15. Re:3. 2. 1. by Silicon+Jedi · · Score: 2, Informative

    People only Say "Central New York" when they mean "Upstate" Basically Middle of no where or small cities. Cablevision has parts of the NY Metropolitan area but Manhattan, Queens, and Staten Island are Cablevision free.

  16. one of the fastest in the world? really? by the_B0fh · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why is 200mb/s the one of the fastest in the world when they're doing 1gb/s up and down in Japan? You call 1/5 of that comparable to 1gb/s?????

  17. On a related note... by Sockatume · · Score: 2, Informative

    They're opening their network to other broadband companies, as a way of increasing revenues and heading off any issues with monopolisation of cable infrastructure. (They gradually hoovered up most of the UK's other cable companies.)

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  18. What's the point? by British · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's the point of all these increased downstream speeds if the upload speeds for your favorite sites, etc are still the same? Let's make the other end faster!

  19. 200Mbps by Taibhsear · · Score: 3, Insightful

    with 180Mbps being used by the UK government to spy on you.

  20. Re:one of the fastest in the world? really? by pleappleappleap · · Score: 3, Funny

    200Mbps IS comparable to 1Gbps. The comparison reads:

    200Mbps < 1Gbps

  21. I'm ethically opposed after watching a documentary by goldcd · · Score: 2, Funny

    They took a film crew to a small village in India. Every day, under cover of darkness, container loads of British Grapefruits were dumped at the village border. Children as young as 5 were working 14 hour days in the grapefruit cutting sheds. Everywhere you looked there were people with mildly smarting eyes and slightly sticky fingers, was like something Dante might have written about. When the undercover reporter confronted the owner he just muttered something about lack of scurvy.