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OpenOffice 3.1 Released

harmonise writes "OpenOffice 3.1 has been released. According to the release announcement, this update received 'The biggest single change (half a million lines of code!) and the most visible is the major revamp of OpenOffice.org on-screen graphics.' See the OpenOffice 3.1 New Features page for a full list of changes."

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  1. antialiased! by spud603 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Finally with antialiasing !

    1. Re:antialiased! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The new anti-aliasing feature is on the graphics (charts, etc). The text in writer has been anti-aliased for years, ass.

    2. Re:antialiased! by spud603 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think I got this thread off on the wrong foot. Text anti-aliasing has been around for a long time in OO.o (as a comment above says). In fact the new antialiasing is for the in-document drawings, which makes a huge difference both for working with images and for good-looking presentations.
      It actually is a big deal that they did this, and I congratulate the developers on their good work.

  2. Will be include in F11 by levell · · Score: 4, Informative
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    1. Re:Will be include in F11 by Kaeso · · Score: 4, Informative
  3. Re:Sorry but... by arkane1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're not flamebait, your just a liar.
    MS Office doesn't come free, it comes via barter or monetary goods exchange. "free" is relative to what you consider worthy.

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  4. What, half a million lines of code changed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    and still no Clippy the paperclip to help me write a letter?

    1. Re:What, half a million lines of code changed... by Corpuscavernosa · · Score: 4, Funny

      Due to copyright concerns, OO3.1 will have "Stapley" as the office assistant

      "I see that you're writing a document that will undoubtedly take up more than one page. Would you like help affixing these multiple pages together?"

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  5. .5 million lines of code by zindorsky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having a lot of lines of code is not necessarily something to brag about. In fact, it's more likely to be an indicator of badness than goodness.

    If the product works great, people won't care how many lines of code it has. If it's buggy or sluggish or in other ways wonky, people might look at the code line count and point to that as the problem. ("It's bloated!" "It's so big no one can understand it or fix it!")

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    1. Re:.5 million lines of code by gurutc · · Score: 4, Informative

      So far the product (update) does seem to work great. Better than the previous version. I use the Calc program a lot, and it seems faster on some basic functions like loading files with forumulas.

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    2. Re:.5 million lines of code by jhfry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lots of lines of code CAN mean exactly what you say, bloat. However it appears that in this case many of the line changes were fixing issues and adding needed features.

      For example, they significantly reduced some bottlenecks in Calc... they made Base more like access in that you can actually create an "application"... and they added some very nice contextual help in places where non-power users will find it very handy, like when they are trying to use a Calc function and can't remember the order of its arguements.

      I would say that this is a decent point release for the OOorg team, evolutionary but not revolutionary. My only complaint is how much it is beginning to resemble MS Office; nice for adoption rates, bad for innovation.

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    3. Re:.5 million lines of code by ichthus · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...*cricket sounds*

      Ah, shucks. Apparently, neither of the NetBSD advocates are reading slashdot at the moment.

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    4. Re:.5 million lines of code by nschubach · · Score: 2, Funny

      *runs around stomping on all the crickets*

      Dammit! I'm at work and I'm trying to sleep here!

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    5. Re:.5 million lines of code by Arthur+Dent · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think he's working in the cubicle next to me. Please come and take him back!

  6. Congratulations by Abreu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Screw the naysayers, congratulations to everybody working in OpenOffice.org

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    1. Re:Congratulations by OglinTatas · · Score: 3, Funny

      All hot female naysayers, 18-36 please report to my house.

    2. Re:Congratulations by Etrias · · Score: 4, Funny

      Completely off topic, but if you have a bunch of hot female naysayers at your house, what on Earth do you hope to accomplish? It's like the kid in college who lined his room with posters of women in bikinis and never ever talking to a real live girl.

  7. Improved looks? by B5_geek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have heard for a long time how horrible OOo looked. Personally, I never understood what the problem was. The icons were clear and easy to dostinguosh between them, and the text-buttons were obvious.

    Compared to the newest version of MS Office, I'd say that any version of OOo wins hands down.

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    1. Re:Improved looks? by MrEricSir · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Especially compared to MS Office 2007. It took me about 5 minutes just to figure out how to print something. I mean, it's an office program. There should either be a big PRINT button, or a File->Print menu.

      And ideally, a talking paperclip to help you stab your eyes out.

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    2. Re:Improved looks? by mdielmann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point of icons and menus is so that you don't need to know cryptic keyboard commands. If the preferred solution to the updated icon system is to use the keyboard, they've failed. If the system is so changed that experienced Office users can't find the things they always did in the old version and there is no simple help for "how do I do x", they've failed. (It took me 30 minutes to just see the macro ribbon in Excel the first time. Now I just use Alt-F11 if it's not on the system I'm using.)
      Or to put it another way: The Ribbon system reminds me of the MacBook Wheel - everything you want to do is just a few hundred clicks away.

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    3. Re:Improved looks? by 644bd346996 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not labeled as the File menu. In fact, it defies all pre-existing conventions for what a file menu is supposed to look like, and indeed, to the untrained eye, it looks just like a conceitedly large logo. (I'll admit, on Windows the logo in the top left corner does activate a menu, but the only functionality in it is from the window manager. And the logo is supposed to be 1/4 the size of the Office 2007 logo.) Microsoft essentially hid all of the most important functionality in a completely non-obvious way.

    4. Re:Improved looks? by Toonol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't mind the ribbons; the problem is the disparate mix of UI elements between Office and the rest of Windows. If something like ribbons was the new standard with Vista and Windows 7, it wouldn't be a problem. As it is, ribbons is the "special office 7" interface, which is as annoying as having a special interface for every media player. It adds little fraction-of-a-second pauses whenever you use the UI.

    5. Re:Improved looks? by StuartHankins · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not obvious enough to our users. You can't imagine the number of complaints we've had about this -- and the default format of files is Office 2007-only.

      Several checklist items were added to our setup routines just to accommodate Office 2007, and retraining in many areas was needed.

      Formulas and macros developed in Excel aren't the same, so one dept can't give one set of instructions to other depts not yet moved to Office 2007. In these financial times spending several hundred a pop seems more than an expensive transition, it seems a waste of resources.

      Oh, yeah, it's bigger and slower too. Ugh. Where's the win in this situation again?

  8. Re:Sorry but... by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 2, Informative

    It uses themeable widgets so it only looks ugly if you whole desktop does.

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  9. Word count by simonwalton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does it offer the ability to have an auto-updating word count in the status bar yet? It's absolutely essential to many people, particularly copywriters who are paid to hit a particular word count. It seems like such a trivial thing to implement and has been requested many times.

    1. Re:Word count by rs232 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Does it offer the ability to have an auto-updating word count in the status bar yet?"

      I don't know, but if you msg the developers I'm sure they would give it full attention. I see here that someone in 2006 wrote a Macro to perform such a task.

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    2. Re:Word count by bwalling · · Score: 5, Funny

      2006? How am I supposed to get back to 2006 and get it? It's not like I have a time traveling phone booth or DeLorean sitting around.

    3. Re:Word count by Etrias · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ask your future time-traveling self to get it for you. Just hope he's not a lazy, selfish bastard.

  10. Anti-Aliasing! by AtomicDevice · · Score: 5, Funny

    "OpenOffice.org now uses a technique called anti-aliasing..."

    WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF TOMORROW!!!!!!!

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    1. Re:Anti-Aliasing! by barzok · · Score: 3, Funny

      Shut up, Terry.

    2. Re:Anti-Aliasing! by fabs64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      See this is the problem, one guy who RTFA makes a joke, and those who didn't can't see a joke when it slaps them in the face.

  11. Re:Sorry but... by Tokerat · · Score: 5, Funny

    You had me until "Microsoft"...

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  12. Re:Oracle? by Burkin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Forgive me, but I am a bit ignorant on this, could someone tell me when and how it came to pass that Oracle now has relationship with Open Office?

    You mean other than the fact that they own Sun and the OOo team is mostly Sun engineers? Yeah that was a pretty difficult one to solve.

  13. go-oo.org by Randle_Revar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Personally, I am waiting for go-oo.org 3.1, as that is what goes into Debian, Ubuntu, SuSE, Gentoo and others.

  14. Won't download to my mac... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I get some weird "download chooser" page, and if I select MacOSX from there, it won't download either. This is with Safari 4.

    I think somebody is trying to be too "smart".

    1. Re:Won't download to my mac... by gibbsjoh · · Score: 4, Informative

      I checked the full file list from the path to the Windows download and the Mac version isn't there yet - just the SDK. Checking the mirrors now.

      http://openoffice.mirrors.tds.net/pub/openoffice/stable/3.1.0/

      JG

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    2. Re:Won't download to my mac... by BluKnight · · Score: 2, Informative

      Grab the torrent from the download site. It's coming into my box right now.

  15. Well, Duh! by camperdave · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the most visible is the major revamp of OpenOffice.org on-screen graphics.

    Well, Duh! I'll bet the least visible is the off screen graphics.

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  16. sod off dancing monkey boy ! by rs232 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "OpenOrifice is still just a lame piece of software for people who are too cheap to buy quality Microsoft software

    Dancing Monkeyboy

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    1. Re:sod off dancing monkey boy ! by labnet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What a disturbing video.

      In fact it descibes Microsoft...
      1- The guy is incredibly unfit.
      2- His face had the alpha male 'kill' look. (rather than a 'excited, happy, proud' look)
      3- His actions looked like a gorilla defending its turf.
      4- His first words were slightly xenaphobic.

      now I understand the throwing chairs thing...

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  17. Re:Oracle? by segfaultcoredump · · Score: 4, Informative

    Technically, at this time oracle does not own sun.

    They have announced that they will purchase them and the sale is pending, but until that time the two companies are totally independent and functionally must continue to operate as such.

    So sometime this summer the oracle logo will be correct, but currently it is wrong.

  18. Most important question by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When it encounters a ODF 1.1 document with formula arguments separated by commas created by the MsOffice2007 SP2, does it throw up a really really big nasty warning dialog that says, "MsOffice2007 is using ODF 1.1, please contact the vendor and urge them to start supporting ODF 1.2. We will be nice this one last time and hack around the commas and make them colons. But best if you could persuade the vendor of ODF1.1 docs to upgrade to ODF 1.2"?

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    1. Re:Most important question by master811 · · Score: 4, Informative

      FYI ODF 1.2 still hasn't even been finalised yet, so you can't really blame Microsoft for not yet implementing it until its finished.

    2. Re:Most important question by iacvlvs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not blame them? Hell, we should thank them! Remember the last time they implemented a standard before it was finished? Remember the browser wars? the "best viewed in" buttons? the monstrous mess HTML became? ... the blink tag? :(

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  19. Re:Sorry but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Free isn't even the correct English word for 'free of charge'
    Sorry to pick on you grammer nazi but if your going to do it right you should follow your own advice look it up...

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free%5B1%5D

    See number 10 'not costing or charging anything'

    That is FREE as in *NO* cost. There are other meanings of free, not just your narrow minded ones. I am with the original guy if I had a choice between OO and MS Office for free as in no cost (which he apparently has). It is not even a contest, I would take ms office. If you are saying otherwise you are either deluded, maniacal, brainwashed, or a liar.

    Here is what it comes down to. Yes I can get at the code. But guess what *I DO NOT HAVE TIME*, or inclination to do so. I have the capability, I also could really care less. I just want to use my programs in peace. I will use whatever I think is the best of breed. FOSS does not always mean that. In my experience it is usually mediocre. Sorry if I offend anyone but it is true. Some people seem to think because it is free that is better. There are real gems out there (such as winmerge, firefox) that I use every day. Other times such as with OO it is a 'good effort' but does not measure up. FOSS is getting there in quality. But it is slow going...

    I will give OO a try again (have since 2.x days). It might be better this time. It might stack up ever since that crazy 2007 ribbon bar from office came out. I doubt it.

  20. Re:Sorry but... by Burkin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This just in: Words in the English language can actually have more than 1 meaning! But the Stallmanesque rant was pretty funny.

  21. Re:Sorry but...[insert ad here] by laughing+rabbit · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dirty mouth?

    Try Orbit gum!

    Brilliant!

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  22. Looks native by sjbe · · Score: 4, Funny

    but it has had times where it seemed out of place on either Windows or OSX

    And that's exactly why iTunes has been such a success on Windows. It looks just like a native app...

  23. Re:Sorry but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And Windows is free if your time and money have no value.

  24. Re:Sorry but... by 644bd346996 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The phrase "gratis of charge" is redundant. "Gratis" suffices, although it has the unfortunate side effect of making you sound like a pretentious scholar that likes to toss around latin words that nobody knows.

  25. Re:Sorry but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    OpenOrifice is still just a lame piece of software for people who are too cheap to buy quality Microsoft software.

    I didn't know Microsoft was in that business..

  26. OpenOffice.org by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    it has had times where it seemed out of place on either Windows or OSX (particular OSX before it was a native application).

    I use NeoOffice on my Mac and see no reason to switch right now.

    when I'm using a program and I can tell it wasn't designed for the system I'm running it on, I count that as a problem.

    What matters to me is whether it is and how much it's usable. That's one reason I won't switch for now, NeoOffice is quite usable. Then again I hardly use it.

    Falcon

  27. 500,000 changed lines of code by cybereal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So someone decided to run a code tidying tool and dared to check in the results I guess?

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  28. Re:Sorry but... by thedonger · · Score: 4, Informative

    MS Office/Excel won't open two files of the same name, and insists on only one working window, forcing the user to "split" in order to compare spreadsheets. OO Calc does both.

    OO Writer has a button for generating PDFs sans any Adobe integration.

    The advantage to MS Office is that your client is more than likely authoring documents on an MS Office product, and absolute compatibility is not assured. But I don't fault the OO developers for that.

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  29. Re:Sorry but... by x4nit0s · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sorry to pick on you grammer nazi but if your going to do it right you should follow your own advice

    Yes, "YOUR" right his "GRAMMER" was teh sux, also while we're at it when you say you could care less you imply that you do care about the issue, as you have the ability to care less than you currently do about it.

    Get a brane, moran!

  30. OO still has one major bug by belmolis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They still haven't fixed what I regard as the biggest bug in OO: the fact that file-opening and -saving dialogues default to the last directory it used rather than the current working directory when running on GNU/Linux. It is understandable that OO would use the MS Windows convention when running on MS Windows, but importing those conventions into Unix is a bad user-interface practice. There's a reason that Unix people move from directory to directory. For experienced Unix users who use different directories for different projects, the failure to track the current directory is very irritating.

    Even if they feel it necessary to provide the option of using the MS Windows conventions for people switching from MS Windows to Unix, it should be an option, not a requirement. And I doubt that this would be hard to do: determining the default directory for those dialogues is presumably only done in one or two places and should be very simple to code.

    1. Re:OO still has one major bug by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I 100% agree. I hate when prople import conventions from other operating systems. It's really annoying. Firefox does this too. Why, when selecting a helper application to open a link, do you have to navigate to /usr/local/bin/whatever? Why doesn't it check the path?

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  31. Great for Home / School use but... by gnesterenko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But still useless for any professional setting or high-level business education. Staistical and financial plug-ins are vastly inferior to MS Office. No VBA for business applications. These two alone make a hobby app for basic home uses, nothing game changing and certainly still not a real competitor to MS Office. That's not even mentioning the online collaboration tools of MS Office as well as Live Workspace. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed."

    1. Re:Great for Home / School use but... by belmolis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why on earth are business people doing statistics in an office suite rather than in a real statistical package?

    2. Re:Great for Home / School use but... by RobBebop · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sorry... but not including support for Visual Basic Applications makes it unprofessional? I don't believe I've ever seen anything that puts the terms "Professional" and "Visual Basic" in the same sentence. VB is a toy for high schoolers. Anybody developing VB beyond the 12th grade level had better be doing it to supplement a skillset unrelated to computer programming (for example: GUI design).

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    3. Re:Great for Home / School use but... by gnesterenko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Someone has never worked in a corporate park, so let me tell you how things work. Major financial institution gets massive transmission from multiple vendors every day that must be entered into the major financial institution's tracking systems. All is done with proprietary software and has nothing to do with any office application. But when it comes to extracting and dealing with this massive amounts of data on an every day basis, performing yield and variance calculations, performing large-scale data scrubbing (10s of thousands of securities), variable rates, prices, and that doesn't even BEGIN to enumerate all the pieces of data that must be shared across a network thousands of computers large, analyzed by individuals in multiple departments, reported on, transmitted, and then integrated back into proprietary systems tied to the corporate mainframe. When Open Office can do this, then you can come back and talk to me. And this is just one example. The automation capabilities of VBA MAKE the financial industry work. Without it we'd be in the stone ages in terms of the time it takes to do certain tasks - as in, non competitive and out of business stone age... What many people here fail to realize is that very few organizations out there do 'pure' statistics or 'pure' data-basing. They may exist, but they are dwarfed when compared to all the soft inter-mediate companies that need to move and analyze large amounts of data, daily, timely, and across large networks. Open Office isn't even considered an option. It simply cannot integrate with various proprietary systems and enable collaboration like MS Office can. And I'm talking about Office 2003 too, as businesses haven't even migrated to Office 07 on a large scale yet, and that is even more powerful in terms of collaboration. Office is not a professional development platform, I hope you realize. No one is talking about writing major pieces of software. What we ARE talking about is efficiencies that save companies billions annually. Until Open Office can do the same, it is irrelevant in the business world. At home or at school however, like I said, its a perfect solution.

    4. Re:Great for Home / School use but... by domatic · · Score: 2, Funny

      "...The automation capabilities of VBA MAKE the financial industry work...."

      Well that explains a lot.

    5. Re:Great for Home / School use but... by RobBebop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      [Microsoft Office] just makes it easier to hurt yourself

      This feature you're talking about... you say that OpenOffice can implement it if they integrate with VBA functionality?

      The fact that you've isolated the world to (a) home use, (b) school use, and (c) financial institution use shows you're blissful ignorance of the situation. Furthermore, the fact that your participation in (c) seeks to leverage technologies that are like a square peg in a round hole provides even more evidence.

      I recall an era before computers when accountants uses notebooks called "ledgers" to manage their money. Things were certainly slower than they are today... but maybe that was a good thing, because if you try using broken tools to build a house, don't be surprised when the house falls down. The lesson to financial companies is don't use Microsoft Office to manage money. Personally... I think you're exaggerating the situation because my impression is that most of the big financial companies have large software staffs to develop proprietary in-house applications and I doubt they'd be wasting their time with unmaintainable Visual Basic apps... but feel free to argue that point if you want if I'm wrong.

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  32. Re:Greatly Unimpressed by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > The UI is still the Office 95 clone, which works how we used to design user interactivity *15* years ago.

    And the wheel is a THOUSAND years old. Quit whining about just because something is old, that newer is better.

    But then I shouldn't expect better then someone who doesn't even have the balls to post with a name.

  33. Re:Oracle? by rackserverdeals · · Score: 2, Funny

    There isn't any rule to make it wrong. You can disagree with it, but that doesn't establish that it is wrong, just that you disagree with it.

    Uhm.. yeah there is. This isn't kindergarten where every child is a treasure and there is no wrong so we don't hurt people's feelings. Saying you're going to buy something isn't the same as owning something.

    You can't go to a car dealership, tell them you want to buy a car then slap on your "I heart <topic>" bumper stickers on it and take it to the beach until you fork over the money.

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  34. Re:thank you Zaske by khanyisa · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's worth clarifying that although his blog post did help to point out a particular performance problem, he wasn't the one who coded the fix ...

  35. Re:Sorry but... by westyvw · · Score: 2, Informative

    I bought Office for my business and still switched to OpenOffice. OpenOffice works better for large documents, the integration with Calc is better, the document format is easy to manipulate with other programs, I could install it and freely share it when I needed to, and use it on any platform I choose.

    Hands down the better application.

    Application looks dont mean much when you are producing 3000 page document for a nice tidy sum of $$ and want to get the job done. Lyx may have been a good choice too, but for the collaborative parts I do, OpenOffice fits in a little better.

    And if you need all the functionality of the latest Power Point, you just give bad presentations.