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Lala Invents Network DRM

An anonymous reader writes in with a CNet story about the record label-backed music company Lala, which claims to have invented "Network DRM." Lala has filed for a patent on moving DRM from a file wrapper, like Windows Media and FairPlay, to the server. Digital music veteran Michael Robertson has quotes from the patent application on his blog. (Here is the application.) Lala describes an invention that monitors every access, allows only authorized devices (so far there are none), blocks downloads, and can revoke content at the labels' request.

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  1. If you can hear it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...you can record it. Case closed.

    1. Re:If you can hear it... by mister_playboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The more intrusive the DRM becomes, the more appealing the other alternatives get... just like digging your own grave.

      It's the same old problem of attacking the paying customers, while having no effect on those who don't pay for the content.

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  2. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're one fast cracker. I managed to crack Korn the other day but I don't care.

    -Jimmy

  3. In other words by brian0918 · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other words, it's a patent on how to not distribute content.

  4. Vapor Fluff. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This "network DRM" seems to be a combination of old news and new buzzwords.

    The notion of conditional access to a server, or aspects of a server is decades old and utterly ubiquitous. If you have the credentials you can log in, access some file, do SMTP, whatever. This aspect of "network DRM" simply seems to be a renaming of password protected downloads.

    The second part of this system, which they seem to want to gloss over; but is obviously there, is some sort of client side DRM. Again, utterly non-novel. They claim that it is all on the network, and you can't download and copy; but that makes no sense. If your computer is playing it to you, you obviously did download it, and it obviously resides somewhere in your system's memory.

    This is pathetic. It's just a streaming service with client side DRM added on. Useless; but hardly novel.

    1. Re:Vapor Fluff. by AuraSeer · · Score: 5, Funny

      If your computer is playing it to you, you obviously did download it, and it obviously resides somewhere in your system's memory.

      They thought about that. The audio data itself never actually gets to your computer; it all resides on the server and is played from there.

      They just need really, really big speakers so you can hear the music from your house.

    2. Re:Vapor Fluff. by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is pathetic. It's just a streaming service with client side DRM added on. Useless; but hardly novel.

      Yeah, but you missed the unwritten part of the patent: installed without the user's knowledge on inserting of a CD. Additional methods include make a default part of major operating systems ;)

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  5. When I buy something by Reed+Solomon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You see, when I buy something, I like to own it. If I buy a car, I like to know that the car won't be taken away from me just because I lend it to a friend. If I cannot own something or there are stipulations, then I will not buy it. If there is no alternative than "piracy", I will obtain it. Simple as that. Why am I not buying Blu-Ray discs? I cannot be sure they will be playable for all time on my Linux computer. If I download a pirated mkv high def movie, I know that it will always be supported.

    In conclusion, this won't stop illegal downloading. The only thing that can stop illegal downloading is treating your customers with respect and offering something of value, not the latest in a long line of DIVX/DRM garbage.

    Then again, maybe the rest of the world isn't like me. Maybe most people in the world are stupid enough to pay for something they won't actually own.

  6. Claim 7 Has Your Number by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...you can record it. Case closed.

    Yeah, but this amazingly intrusive technology was planning for that:

    (i) scanning storage files of the user's computer to identify any digital media content files stored therein,(ii) uploading a list of any identified digital media content files to the host computer system, and(iii) adding to the list any digital media content files that the user purchases from the purchasing component of the host computer system

    You would think it would end at notifying the mothership that you are in possession of that file. Nope, from the details:

    For each digital media file on the list, the Uploader finds the matching source file and transcodes the media into a format supported by the system components, if necessary.

    Man, I can't wait to install that uploader only to find my entire MP3 collection has been transformed to .lala and no longer works unless I pay for it. Sounds a bit like my medical records.

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    1. Re:Claim 7 Has Your Number by mazarin5 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Geez....how are they gonna convince someone to let them load this crap on their computer?

      Funny mouse cursor?

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    2. Re:Claim 7 Has Your Number by theworldgoesaway · · Score: 5, Informative

      This really isn't at all accurate. It doesn't do *anything* to your local content. It uploads a list/files for your music to a central server, which you can then stream (but not download) through their (quite nice) web-based media player. It's basically a way to access your music away from home. I use it all day long at the office to listen to music - and I can get my whole collection (not just what fits on my iPhone) and I don't need to set up Orb or something like that. Again, it does NOTHING to your local music.

      In addition to that, they will sell you streaming-only songs (available through the same web player) for 10c a pop. No, you can't download them, etc, but they're 10c. So I can check out an album I like for $1, and if I decide to get the mp3 version (no DRM), they sell that for a standard price and apply the 10c you already paid to the price.

      Really, there's NOTHING sinister going on here. It's actually a really great service. I have no affiliation with them, but I'm a very pleased customer. I listen to music via Lala all day at work, and I buy a lot of music for streaming through them. It's an excellent, well-designed store and media platform. I lose no control over my own media, and I'm happy to pay an extremely discounted rate for *access* to other music, with the option to pay for DRM-free MP3s. It's a valuable service, and I lose no control whatsoever. I do wish they'd give me the option to re-download music I'd uploaded (so it could serve as a backup, not just an alternative form of access), but I imagine that's as much a bandwidth issue as anything else.

      In short, this is a highly misleading and biased article. There's nothing sneaky or underhanded going on here, this is Michael Robertson bashing a competitor who has a far superior and really quite excellent product.

  7. Lala - Hilarious Clowns by earlymon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wish I were making this up - seriously. But's true - check out how nefarious these assholes are and how stupid people that they are still in business. For your dining and dancing pleasure, I submit, from TFA (emphasis mine):

    The patent proves Lala is trying to develop a new type of DRM, according to Robertson. Instead of wrapping individual songs in DRM, Lala's plan calls for a network to act as a fortress that surrounds an entire music ecosystem. Lala CEO Geoff Ralston confirmed that Lala filed the patent but denied the company is trying to wrest control away from users.

    "It's a patent around Web Songs," Ralston said.

    Web Songs are one of the cornerstones of the company's latest business model. Lala, which has switched focus from two prior models, now offers three main features. In the first, MP3s unprotected by DRM can be purchased and download for rates comparable to iTunes. A second option offers users unlimited, ad-free streaming access to music they already own. The way this works is that users allow Lala to scan their hard drives and preserve a list of the songs the person owns. Lala's system will then stream its own copies of the songs to the user. This way users don't have to worry about losing their music to hard-drive meltdowns or misplaced music players.

    Lala's last feature allows people to listen to streaming music--that they don't already own--for 10 cents per song. Lala calls these Web Songs. One of the ways Web Songs is different than MP3s is they can't be downloaded to a portable device.
    "A Web Song by definition has a limited set of rights associated with it," Ralston said. "One right you don't have is the right to take it with you. It's not a portable song. Another right you don't have is to copy it. Everything has limited rights, even an MP3. You're not allowed to take an MP3, copy it, and sell it."

    Here's another slice, for those who'd like to avoid RTFA (emphasis NOT mine):

    "A network-based DRM system manages digital media assets stored in the network," states the document from Lala, which has been praised by music labels and has financial backing from Warner Music Group. "The system provides consumers with access to the digital media from any device connected to an electronic network such as the Internet, while enforcing the intended uses by the copyright owners."

    "The Web restricted nature of the offering," Lala writes elsewhere in the filing, "means that the digital assets are at all times controlled by the system and thus result in minimal piracy."

    Love the language - minimal piracy. Think about it.

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