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Do We Want ISPs Penalizing Music Fans?

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "Noted singer songwriter Billy Bragg has written an excellent column in The Guardian, coming out against the pro-RIAA '3-strikes' legislation the big 4 record labels are trying to push through. In the article, entitled 'Do we want ISPs penalizing our fans?', Bragg writes: 'Having failed miserably in previous attempts to stamp out illicit filesharing, the record industry has now joined forces with other entertainment lobby groups to demand that the government takes action to protect their business model.' He goes on: 'Fearful of the prospect of dragging their customers though the courts, with all the attendant costs and bad publicity, members of the record industry have come up with a simple, cost-free solution to their problem: get the ISPs to do their dirty work for them. They are asking the government to force the ISPs to cut off the broadband connection of customers who persistently download unauthorized material, without any recourse to appeal in the courts.'"

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  1. Re:Court first then cut. by seanpark · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At least one ISP has responded to these sort of requests with a "so where's your billing address, RIAA?" I think they were in New Orleans, and they certainly have a point. Why should ISPs police their networks and eliminate revenue without compensation?

  2. why ISPs might agree by bugi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Clearly this is against an ISP's best interest, but here's a few reasons they might go along with it anyway.

    (1) Some ISPs (like AOL) are owned by the media bullies.

    (2) Larger ISPs have legal departments to handle the lawsuits sure to ensue. Smaller ISPs don't. Bye bye competition.

  3. Re:Enough already by JCSoRocks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, I happen to be a musician and I disagree. I don't support piracy and I don't want people stealing my stuff. However, I also despise the RIAA, what it's doing, and how it's doing it. I also hate to see due process get thrown under the bus for the sake of an aging business model. Touring has always made musicians truckloads more money than CDs ever have. CD sales are just used by huge record companies as a revenue stream for themselves and as an indicator telling them who to send on huge tours. Regardless of how you feel about piracy, RIAA's idiotic tactics are going to make people want to stop supporting musicians entirely.

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  4. Re:Wait a second... by Nick+Ives · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Your post makes no sense. Nobody in the UK over the age of 20? So you think he makes music for teenagers and little kiddies?

    The funny thing about Bragg is that whilst he's always willing to give uncritical support to the Labour regime of the day, his songs are actually quite critical of them and their policies. The track "O Freedom" from his latest album is about Labour's policy of locking up terrorist suspects without a proper trial or letting them know the evidence against them. That system has been taken apart (I think...) but it was actually worse than gitmo because these people were arrested in this country.

    I'm not a fan of Bragg, mainly because I'm not a fan of folk-rock, but I know lots of people who are. Most of them are in their 20s but I'd expect that's because most of my friends are in their 20s. They're all active socialists and trade-unionists so it's to be expected that Bragg would speak to them.

    If you venture outside of the mainstream, you're sure to find plenty of Bragg fans here in the UK.

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  5. Re:No... by pm_rat_poison · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What's your opinion on downloading ripped movies you already own, because ripping a DVD is (arguably) illegal and in some cases more time consuming than actually downloading? (assuming you live in a country with real bandwidth, not the US) Or downloading a pirate version of a book you already own, just because you want to read it "on the fly"
    What's your opinion on downloading cracks for the games you own, just because DRM makes you want to cry and requiring the original DVD on the drive is JUST PLAIN STUPID?
    How about people who want to acquire a work that there is no legal alternative for them to buy? (example: out of print books, tv shows from foreign countries, movies that never came out on DVD, LP's that never came out on CD)
    Are those examples of "entitlement" plausible enough, or do you find them highly unlikely?

  6. Re:Court first then cut. by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I depend TOTALLY on the internet for my employment and the maintenance of my way of life.
    My house, family, food, and their healthcare are ALL genereated from the work I do on/through the net.
    If my ISP, I do use a business connection, decided to drop my T1 for some not payment related failure, I would be VERY SCREWED, and would likely seek/need legal recourse.

        Note : I don't download music I don't already own a physical copy of, but some of that material is on 8 or 4 track tape that I bought in 1974, I've format switched it via the internet. The music industry insists on a license to listen, not ownership model so be it. If you own ANY physical copy of the material the you are entitled to the material in different formats. If they want to change their policy to ownership of the single copy then I will change my behavior to reflect that.

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  7. Re:Court first then cut. by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I think that RIAA and MPAA are anti-freemarket organizations

    Definitely. The 4 big labels and 6 big motion picture companies, who are supposed to be competitors, do everything in collusion. And when they are beaten in the marketplace they go running to their friends in government to strongarm their competition. Their monopolies are becoming more and more worthless, because of (a) the ability of musicians to market their music directly to their fans, and (b) the ability of filmmakers to find an audience online. And so they are running to their friends in government, because competition -- the "free market" -- is anathema to them.

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