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Ancient Fossil Offers Clues To Primate Evolution

langelgjm sends in an update to a story we discussed over the weekend about an extremely well-preserved fossil of an ancient primate, Darwinius masillae, that sheds light on an important area of evolution. The 47 million-year-old specimen has now been officially unveiled, and while many media outlets are stumbling over themselves with phrases like "missing link" and "holy grail," it's clearly a very impressive find. "Discovered two years ago, the exquisitely preserved specimen is not a direct ancestor of monkeys and humans, but hints at what such an ancestor might have looked like. According to researchers, 'The specimen has an unusual history: it was privately collected and sold in two parts, with only the lesser part previously known. The second part, which has just come to light, shows the skeleton to be the most complete primate known in the fossil record.' The scientific article describing the find was published yesterday in the peer-reviewed, open-access journal PLoS ONE. Google's home page is also celebrating the find with a unique image." Science blogger Brian Switek offers some criticism of the academic paper and the media swarm, saying, "I would have hoped that this fossil would receive the care and attention it deserves, but for now it looks like a cash cow for the History Channel. Indeed, this association may not have only presented overblown claims to the public, but hindered good science, as well."

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  1. Meanwhile over in Congress by MosesJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't it rather scary that while scientists are getting excited over this 47 million year old fossil that there are fossils in Congress who will swear on a stack of Bibles that the earth is only 6000 years old and that evolution is bunk.

    That people can get elected without having basic modern ape like intelligence is the scary bit, this primate was probably more self-aware than many of those elected officials.

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    1. Re:Meanwhile over in Congress by TheHerk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but while that is pretty scary, what is more scary are the millions of people that vote for them.

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    2. Re:Meanwhile over in Congress by halivar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And scariest of all? The world still turns, and objective reality refuses to accept that proper science is vital to hold the fabric of space-time together.

      Honestly, the only reason anyone ought to care what a politician thinks about creationism is if they decide what's taught in public schools. This is almost always a state matter. Your U.S. Congressman has bunk to do with it.

      And if it really, REALLY troubles you that some congressmen are anti-science, I suggest you give equal time to folks like Dennis Kucinich; after all, is seeing UFO's somehow more scientifically acceptable that an ID-proponent?

    3. Re:Meanwhile over in Congress by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't it rather scary that while scientists are getting excited over this 47 million year old fossil that there are fossils in Congress who will swear on a stack of Bibles that the earth is only 6000 years old and that evolution is bunk.

      C'mon now, slashdot always has these remarks, but you know what? NBC nightly news reported this find last night - the epitome of mainstream - and there was no mention of the Bible or controversy over the validity of evolution, none at all. Just excitement over a great find that may fill in the picture of evolution a bit more. At some point, decrying all this supposed scientific opposition which is really just a small fringe, becomes self-pity, or a persecution complex.

    4. Re:Meanwhile over in Congress by linzeal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would rather more people take responsibility for their own morality than depend upon some transcendental source like a god.

    5. Re:Meanwhile over in Congress by mdwh2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I find it more frightening that most of our leaders and most of the population in general have all bought into the idea that morality is just convention

      And here we uncover the fossil known as Straw Man.

      and that there is no higher power to answer to.

      So? There is no evidence that there is. And if there is, there is no way we could know what "morality" he expects us to behave by. There is no reason that his standard of morality should match up with what we consider to be ethical.

      And above all, I find it worrying that people only behave ethically out of fear of having to answer to some "higher power".

  2. Re:I got 10 bucks here ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... says it's a hoax.

    Of course its a hoax. everyone knows the earth is only 6000 years old.

  3. Re:I got 10 bucks here ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Would you stop this Christianity bashing already? We admit it, it was a mistake, the earth is older than 6000 years. It's just that very few of us are capable of counting any higher. :(

  4. Re:I got 10 bucks here ... by Alt_Cognito · · Score: 5, Informative

    This was studied for two years before it was released, so it seems that they've done some due diligence to make sure this was NOT a hoax.

    X-rays were taken taken of the internal structures (which are allegedly impossible to fake) and they proved out to be authentic.

  5. Igniting a non-existant debate? by Poobar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interesting New Scientist blog: http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/05/is-ida-a-pop-star-fossil-or-po.html They seem to make two main points- firstly that the whole thing is degenerating into hype, but more interestingly that there wasn't a big debate here anyway. Yes, it's a missing link, but it's one that all rational people knew must have existed somewhere. It hasn't ignited debate between creationists and evolutionists, for the reason that they don't really debate each other anymore- at least not in scientific circles.

  6. Re:Give it a rest by camperdave · · Score: 5, Funny

    That reminds me of the museum guide who, when asked how old the T-Rex fossil was, replied: "6.5 million and three years, and 6 months old".

    "That's amazing", said the tourist, "How do you know the age so exactly?"
    "Well, that's easy", replied the guide. "It was 6.5 million years old when I started working here, and that was three and a half years ago."

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  7. WTF? by wall0159 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's just think for a moment about which branches of science contradict creationism:
    biology
    biochemistry
    genetics
    physics
    astronomy
    astrophysics

    I'm sure there are other _genres_ of science too. Are you really saying that it doesn't matter if a leader of society believes that all the scientists working in these fields are wrong?

    Believing in creationism is like believing the earth is flat, and would have huge consequences in many many public policy areas.