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Europium's Superconductivity Demonstrated

gabrlknght writes "An old element just learned a new trick under pressure. When cooled and squeezed very hard, the soft metallic element europium turns into a superconductor, allowing electrons to flow unfettered by resistance, a study appearing May 13 in Physical Review Letters shows. The results make europium the 53rd of the 92 naturally occurring elements to possess superconductivity, which, if harnessed, could make for more efficient energy transfer."

103 comments

  1. happened with other SCs as well by gcnaddict · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Carnegie Institution for Science published something like this exactly one year ago today.

    Granted, it doesn't mention Europium, but the same principle applies.

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    1. Re:happened with other SCs as well by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only difference between the last 20 or so elements is the later ones are not quite so ridiculously cold. Eventually we may get to just unbelievably cold!

    2. Re:happened with other SCs as well by Inverted+Intellect · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your temperature scale is clearly incorrect.

      As it regards cold, it goes from Chilly, to Cold, to Freezing, eventually reaching Ridiculously Cold, Unbelievably Cold and Impossibly Cold.

      oh wait, are you using the imperial system of verbal measurement? Never mind.

    3. Re:happened with other SCs as well by corbettw · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wake me when someone reaches Plaid Cold.

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    4. Re:happened with other SCs as well by Kjella · · Score: 1

      ....and you still wouldn't be near a superconductor. Even the best "high-temperature" superconductors are below the coldest of cold we've measured naturally, even the people on antarctic science stations - not that I think they'd be outside in -90C/-130F anyway. What they're good for now is neat and all but if we could find a room temperature superconductor it'd be a revolution.

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    5. Re:happened with other SCs as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, if you got a freezer temperature (even LN2 would be big news) METALLIC superconductor, you would have a revolution.

    6. Re:happened with other SCs as well by sjames · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot Brrrrrrrr, the temperature at which animated characters freeze instantly. Sometimes they shatter or break into ice cubes of course.

    7. Re:happened with other SCs as well by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      ....and you still wouldn't be near a superconductor. Even the best "high-temperature" superconductors are below the coldest of cold we've measured naturally

      How about the surface of Titan. Isn't that "measured naturally"?

    8. Re:happened with other SCs as well by Dean+Edmonds · · Score: 1

      Doubtless that will be the case with the element plaidinum.

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    9. Re:happened with other SCs as well by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 4, Funny

      > As it regards cold, it goes from Chilly, to Cold, to Freezing, eventually reaching Ridiculously Cold, Unbelievably Cold and Impossibly Cold.

      I'm Canadian you insensitive clod. I'd still be in shorts and a t-shirt.

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    10. Re:happened with other SCs as well by Lucractius · · Score: 3, Funny

      In certain circles where greater accuracy is required its common to use a finer precision in the jump from Freezing to Ridiculously Cold.

      This is done by having Bloody Freezing and F*****ing Freezing as additional points on the scale.

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    11. Re:happened with other SCs as well by Hucko · · Score: 4, Funny

      oh noooo. That was measured with lasers!

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    12. Re:happened with other SCs as well by x2A · · Score: 5, Funny

      Please no jokes about sticking a thermometer up Uranus.

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    13. Re:happened with other SCs as well by selven · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ludicrous Cold... GO!

    14. Re:happened with other SCs as well by Gerafix · · Score: 1

      Shorts and a t-shirt? Lucky bastard. Back in my day we only had a single thread of hemp to cover ourselves while we were seal clubbing.

  2. Fuzzy math... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

    "When cooled and squeezed very hard, the soft metallic element europium turns into a superconductor ... which, if harnessed, could make for more efficient energy transfer."

    After factoring in the cost of compressing and cooling a big long cable... In other words, not any time soon.

    1. Re:Fuzzy math... by craklyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "When cooled and squeezed very hard, the soft metallic element europium turns into a superconductor ... which, if harnessed, could make for more efficient energy transfer." After factoring in the cost of compressing and cooling a big long cable... In other words, not any time soon.

      Superconductivity can be harnessed for efficient energy transfer. It's a boilerplate that is attached to any research associated with superconductivity to remind the general public whe they're spending millions of dollars on things which aren't available as direct dividends to their lives.

    2. Re:Fuzzy math... by swb · · Score: 4, Funny

      I figure the real benefit from research isn't the discoveries, its the economic benefit of decent, well-paying jobs in a pleasant park-like campus.

    3. Re:Fuzzy math... by bh_doc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One could've said similar things about semiconductors.

    4. Re:Fuzzy math... by daveime · · Score: 1

      After factoring in the cost of compressing and cooling a big long cable... In other words, not any time soon

      Well considering the current "system loss" (generation and transmission losses) is between 25 and 30%, all a superconductor would have to do is consume *less* than that percentage to be more efficient.

      Now we've heard a lot about superconductors, but what if there is a potential for super-insulators, i.e. materials with the property not to conduct *any* electrons, EM radiation or heat in any form.

      Cool your superconductor to the required temperature, compress it to the required level, then constrain it within a super-insulator. Problem solved.

      Yes, yes, very simplistic I know, but then considering the tech leaps we've made in even 50 years, not outside the realms of possibility ?

    5. Re:Fuzzy math... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      800,000 BAR (~14.5 PSI) = 11,600,000 PSI.

      There shouldn't be any problem finding a compressor capable of such pressures used on ebay.

    6. Re:Fuzzy math... by asdf7890 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i.e. materials with the property not to conduct *any* electrons, EM radiation or heat in any form.

      I think the law of thermodynamics might have a thing or two to say on the subject of that idea.

    7. Re:Fuzzy math... by gadget+junkie · · Score: 1

      "When cooled and squeezed very hard, the soft metallic element europium turns into a superconductor ... which, if harnessed, could make for more efficient energy transfer." After factoring in the cost of compressing and cooling a big long cable... In other words, not any time soon.

      Superconductivity can be harnessed for efficient energy transfer. It's a boilerplate that is attached to any research associated with superconductivity to remind the general public whe they're spending millions of dollars on things which aren't available as direct dividends to their lives.

      ....hmmmmm, let's see: do you have gym shoes with velcro closure? that was an invention for the apollo program, to avoid having things fly in the capsule. I expect someone at the time said the same thing: "what's the use of sending people to the moon anyway?"
      As to High temperature superconducting, the key temperature is the boiling point ofliquid nitrogen, which is relatively cheap and inert. AFAIK, superconducting power cables are in use now.

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  3. When squeezed, europium gives up resistance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    What, is it French?

    1. Re:When squeezed, europium gives up resistance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's Crystal Palin!

    2. Re:When squeezed, europium gives up resistance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hence the name; Europium.

    3. Re:When squeezed, europium gives up resistance? by jabithew · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked somethink like 88% of we Europeans weren't French.

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    4. Re:When squeezed, europium gives up resistance? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Bah, europium proudly shows off its superconductive superpowers while americium knows no better than to silently fall apart in the corner. Take it, americium! We'll kick your ass any day!

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  4. 80 GPa by quenda · · Score: 4, Funny

    80 giga-pascals of pressure? Could be useful for deep-sea power transmission. You only need to go 8000km deep to get that pressure naturally.

    1. Re:80 GPa by Deadstick · · Score: 5, Funny

      That would be about 1620km past the center of the earth...

      rj

    2. Re:80 GPa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Even better. If you went at it from the other side you'd only have to go down 6380km, much easier.

    3. Re:80 GPa by Jurily · · Score: 1

      That would be about 1620km past the center of the earth...

      I hear the 2.0 is a lot bigger. It's also only 6000 years old, and never ages any further.

    4. Re:80 GPa by schon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe OP is talking about after we've colonized Jupiter? :)

    5. Re:80 GPa by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      The deepest part of the ocean is about 9.7 km, has pressure of about 110-mega-pascals, and a temperature of about 2 degrees Celsius. So you're off by about 3 orders of magnitude in every measurement :)

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    6. Re:80 GPa by physicsphairy · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's a few orders of magnitude between friends?

    7. Re:80 GPa by corbettw · · Score: 2, Funny

      You sound like a Congressman discussing the budget.

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    8. Re:80 GPa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He might be an astronomer.

    9. Re:80 GPa by x2A · · Score: 1

      ...and the barman says "I'm sorry, we've run out of magnitudes"...

      (yeah I'm tired... consider this beginnings of a joke gpl'd, patches welcome)

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    10. Re:80 GPa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But 3 is a small number, so I bet it's nothing a bit of hard work can't solve!

    11. Re:80 GPa by pbhj · · Score: 1

      What's a few orders of magnitude between friends?

      You sound like a Congressman discussing the budget.

      or an MP discussing their expenses claim ...

    12. Re:80 GPa by Kuroji · · Score: 1

      What's funny about being told that the world is millions of years old when in fact it's only a hundred and fifty-seven years old -- fact! -- and its age does not change?

  5. Element Abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "An old element just learned a new trick under pressure"

    This is an example of Element abuse! An OLD element, FORCED to learn a new trick, UNDER PRESSURE no doubt!

    Stop the madness, leave the poor elements alone, especially the old ones.

    1. Re:Element Abuse by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Funny

      if they become superconducting when under pressure... just wait till they start waterboarding them...

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    2. Re:Element Abuse by tim_darklighter · · Score: 1

      "At twenty-five atmospheres, calling it an ideal gas is kind of an insult."

      (From my undergraduate physical chemistry prof)

  6. Extreme Hazard by thethibs · · Score: 3, Funny

    We must make sure that no one ever mixes europium with administerium. An EU "unfettered by resistance" could set civilization back a thousand years.

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    1. Re:Extreme Hazard by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, it might teach the pesky Americum and the Americum based chemistry to obey the laws. That'd push civilization forward a thousand and one years.

    2. Re:Extreme Hazard by speedtux · · Score: 0, Troll

      Unlike Europium, Americium is unstable and doesn't last very long.

  7. Cool. Where's my Europium mine? by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
    We'll need billions of tons of the stuff to replace the present wiring infrastructure. OH? No billions of tons of Europium? Dang. foiled again.

    RS

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    1. Re:Cool. Where's my Europium mine? by MadCow42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      >> We'll need billions of tons of the stuff to replace the present wiring infrastructure

      Actually, no. To replace a 1cm thick copper cable you do NOT need a 1cm thick superconductor. I'm sure there's limits, but because there's no electrical resistance you can carry HUGE currents through tiny superconductors. We're talking several orders of magnitude difference here.

      Anyone have a real numerical comparison handy?

      MadCow

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    2. Re:Cool. Where's my Europium mine? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Surpsingly complicated, couldn't find any simple practical answers. Sorry. I did find some nifty pictures though.

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    3. Re:Cool. Where's my Europium mine? by stei7766 · · Score: 2, Interesting
  8. Gee... by Anachragnome · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Gee...I got all excited there for a moment. Until I read:

      "The results make europium the 53rd of the 92 naturally occurring elements to possess superconductivity"

    If the gnomes haven't figured out how to "harness" the magic contained in the OTHER 92 elements that super-conduct, why would this one be any different?

    1. Re:Gee... by powerslave12r · · Score: 2, Informative

      Only 53 of the 92 naturally occurring elements have super-conductivity, not all 92.

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    2. Re:Gee... by dinsdale3 · · Score: 1

      I think you meant the other 52 that superconduct, not 92.

    3. Re:Gee... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only 52 others are known to superconduct. The 92 refers to the total number of naturally occurring elements.

        -AC

  9. Rare Earth Metals by lobiusmoop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was quite surprised to read in Wikipedia that the rare earth metals are neither rare nor 'earths' in reality.

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  10. Re:First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    What I don't understand is how does any new discovery almost ALWAYS turn out better than anything that is currently known or in use? Its uncanny.

  11. Re:First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its uncanny.

    Maybe you should just put it back in the can then, eh?

  12. All these elements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    All these elements are yours except Europium. Attempt no superconducting there.

    1. Re:All these elements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I shake my tiny, anonymous fist at you!

      (Good job.)

  13. how much energy was used? by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    Just how much energy was used in making the europium more efficient at energy transfer?

    The proverbial chicken and egg and perpetual motion machines called, they want their gimmick back.

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    1. Re:how much energy was used? by ral8158 · · Score: 1

      *woosh* that's the sound of it going over your head.

    2. Re:how much energy was used? by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

      nope, looks like you can't read.

      When cooled and squeezed very hard

      cooling and squeezing both take tremendous energy. How much energy? Is it worth the trade-off for the increased efficiency?

      answer those questions instead of insulting.

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  14. Re:First post by fractoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Simple; because the only new discoveries you HEAR about are the ones that are (at least potentially) better than what we already have.

    There are new, mediocre discoveries every day but they're never heard about except in some dusty journal.

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  15. I always knew it by keeboo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Take that, Americium!

    1. Re:I always knew it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The metal americium becomes superconducting at temperatures as high as 0.79 K ...
      Submitted on February 13, 1978

      Superconductivity of Americium

    2. Re:I always knew it by syousef · · Score: 1

      Take that, Americium!

      Governor Schwartz, when asked for comment said "Youu continant sizzed eloments think you're all thaat? Califooornia is just one state and we haf an eloment named after ous"

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    3. Re:I always knew it by EsbenMoseHansen · · Score: 1

      Take that, Americium!

      Governor Schwartz, when asked for comment said "Youu continant sizzed eloments think you're all thaat? Califooornia is just one state and we haf an eloment named after ous"

      You should have tried someone from Copenhagen.... they have Hafnium, and they are just a city. Don't know any toughies from there, though ;)

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    4. Re:I always knew it by syousef · · Score: 1

      You should have tried someone from Copenhagen.... they have Hafnium, and they are just a city. Don't know any toughies from there, though ;)

      Yes, but they don't have a T-1000 running the place!

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    5. Re:I always knew it by Svartormr · · Score: 2, Informative

      T-1000?!? Damn, we'd put a T-800 in there and now Skynet's gone and substituted our substitute!

    6. Re:I always knew it by myrrdyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Take that, Americium!

      Governor Schwartz, when asked for comment said "Youu continant sizzed eloments think you're all thaat? Califooornia is just one state and we haf an eloment named after ous"

      You should have tried someone from Copenhagen.... they have Hafnium, and they are just a city. Don't know any toughies from there, though ;)

      Think of Ytterby, Sweden. A village with 3 (three!!!) elements named from it: terbium, erbium and ytterbium ( see here )

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    7. Re:I always knew it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A unique, heartfelt message of love goes out to Scandium, who could not be here today, due to misconduct.

    8. Re:I always knew it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... sigh

      T-800

      why do I feel the need to correct this.

  16. Obligatory. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    All these superconductors are yours, except Europium. Attempt no experiments there.

  17. It isn't better by ChrisMaple · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is not a high temperature superconductor. It only superconducts under 2 degrees K, when compressed to an extreme degree. It is of academic interest only.

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    1. Re:It isn't better by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful
      One of the scientists in the article had a quote that I think is worth reproducing:

      "Superconductivity is an area where it's very difficult theoretically to have the last word, to really know what's possible and what's not.... Anything one can do to further the understanding of superconductivity might eventually help one design a better superconductor."

      In essence we don't know what superconductors can do, but if we try different stuff eventually we will find something useful. That's why it's worth doing.

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    2. Re:It isn't better by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      In essence we don't know what superconductors can do, but if we try different stuff eventually we will find something useful. That's why it's worth doing.

      Not quite. We know what superconductors are, what they do, and how they can be used. We have many incredible uses for a superconductor, with the most obvious being levitating magnets and zero-loss power transmission. What we don't know is why certain metals under certain conditions become superconductors. Once we know that, we can start to design usable (higher temperature, lower pressure) superconductors, rather than simply stumbling across them ocassionally at

      Basically, we need to do all this research on the totally impractical superconductors so that we can learn how to engineer practical superconductors.

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    3. Re:It isn't better by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You don't think there are any uses that haven't been imagined? Or any properties that haven't been discovered? Or any uses that might be discovered once cheap superconductors are plentifully available?

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    4. Re:It isn't better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe we call the process of "trying different stuff" science.

  18. WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My old element just learned a new trick under pressure. When rubbed and squeezed very hard, the soft flaccid element turns into a hard superconductor, allowing my little electrons to flow unfettered by resistance.

  19. Re:Jew penis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't know AC was jewish!

    Actually that page gets more hits for arab.

  20. Re:is it just me by daveime · · Score: 1

    It just you, Sergeant Detritus.

  21. Critical mass? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

    I wonder, Europium being quite heavy and with radioactive isotopes, what pressure till you reach critical mass?

    How many elements -could- be superconductors but due to their critical mass pressure being lower than their superconductivity pressure, can't be?

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    1. Re:Critical mass? by wfstanle · · Score: 1

      I am not a nuclear physicist but I do understand some of the principles concerning critical mass.

      Critical mass isn't a simple number. There are a lot of variables such as the shape of the object. In simple terms, it centers about the loss of neutrons from a fissionable object. If there are more neutrons lost than is needed to sustain a chain reaction critical mass will not be achieved. The point is that a very long and narrow object (a cable) has a very high surface area (as compared to a sphere). Much more neutrons would be lost by such a shape thus it has a far greater critical mass. Even a material such as U235 if stretched into a suitably long cable could have a mass far greater than its critical mass when it is shaped as a sphere.

      There are many fine points that have been glossed over. As I said, I am not a nuclear physicist and this is only my simple understanding.

    2. Re:Critical mass? by dhTardis · · Score: 1

      I wonder, Europium being quite heavy and with radioactive isotopes, what pressure till you reach critical mass?

      What makes you think that europium has a critical mass in the first place? It's actually considered a detriment to (controlled) nuclear reactions. Everything has radioactive isotopes, but very few have fissionable isotopes. And europium is lighter than, say, gold anyway.

    3. Re:Critical mass? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      I wonder, Europium being quite heavy and with radioactive isotopes, what pressure till you reach critical mass?

      Neither of those qualities implies that Europium will fission.

      As a minimum, it requires an isotope that emits neutrons, plus a large enough neutron-capture cross section. Neither of which Europium has.

      So the answer is, if you can squeeze it hard enough (say, pressures similar to the core of the Sun), it might fuse (absorbing a moderately enormous amount of energy in the process), but otherwise, it has no "critical mass".

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  22. Make me a cable! by cvtan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bernd T. Matthias, the famous scientist who worked on superconductivity for many years, would have said, "Make me a cable!". This implies that if the material can't be formed into a wire, you can't do much in the way of practical power transfer. I suspect there isn't enough Europium in the Universe to do anything useful.

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  23. Think of Ytterby by myrrdyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Think of Ytterby, Sweden. A village with 3 (three!!!) elements named from it: terbium, erbium and ytterbium ( see here )

    Ops, I forgot some more... It seems that Ytterby originated 4-8 names...

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    1. Re:Think of Ytterby by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, the Curies were just two people, and Einstein was just one!

  24. General Application Not Practical... by wisenboi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the article: "The researchers then cooled europium down to about 1.8 kelvins (â"271.35Â Celsius), a frigid temperature near absolute zero. At pressures around 80 gigapascals, or about 800,000 times the pressure exerted by the atmosphere at sea level, europium lost its magnetism. Electrons could flow freely through the metal without resistance." The closest thing the average person could conceive (or at least myself) in a) Pressure and b) freeze capability / something involving lasers? would be compactors and liquid nitrogen. I'm still having problems seeing this be generally applied for use. This isn't the first time yet another rare earth element/metal has had to be cooled down (and/or pressurized) to unnatural levels to unlock superconductivity. I thought the goals of such experiments was to figure out how to conventionally utilize superconductivity on a mass scale without the need for highly specific environmental conditions. Since this article also mentions most rare earth metals share this superconductive capability (at near-zero kelvin temperatures and/or massive unnatural Earth pressures), this isn't something new, still.

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  25. Re:First post by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

    There are new, mediocre discoveries every day but they're never heard about except in some dusty journal.

    That's unfair!

    Not every journal published by Elsevier is dusty. Some, like the famous Australasian Journal of Bone and Joint Medicine, are bright, shiny things...

    ...oooh! Shiny...

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  26. Not cost effective. by wfstanle · · Score: 1

    The point is that even if large quantities of electricity could be transmitted, we still would need large amounts of Europium. There simply isn't enough to use in transmission cables. I don't have figures on how rare it is but it is one of the "rare earth minerals". That should give you a clue. Even if enough could be obtained, what is the cost to mine enough. It doesn't sound very cost effective to me.

    1. Re:Not cost effective. by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      "Rare Earth" is a misnomer, and very very old terminology. Lanthanoids are actually very common. Cerium is even the 26th most abundant element in the earth's crust (higher than gold, and we use a LOT of gold). Europium is used as a red phosphor in old TV sets and flourescent lamps.

      These elements are in fact fairly abundant in nature, although rare as compared to the "common" earths such as lime or magnesia.

      You realize lime is so abundant we use it in concrete, right? "Rare earths" are only rare in relation to extremely common elements. You could say they are on the rare side of common, if you like.

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    2. Re:Not cost effective. by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1

      it's as abundant as uranium. In other words, not that abundant. Also, there are no europium mines - europium is usually found in conjunction with other metals and needs to be separated out - very energy intensive process.

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  27. Re:First post -- dead wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sorry, but I bet a lot of other scientists, perhaps a few on this board, are getting sick of science hype, and discoveries that "if" we can really do this, and then "if" we can also do that (no clue how to do that) and a few other ifs, we can change the world in only 5 more years.

    Every minor discovery, or in a lot of cases, rediscovery by those who didn't do their homework is endlessly touted as the great new thing, especially in nanotech, but in other fields as well. A recent example is the "discovery" or first "plasma transistor". Too bad for MIT that this was tried and in use by Phillips in the early 50's if not before as a possible low voltage tube for car radios.

    Marketing has become more important to an overspecialized science than the science.
    The only reason to read the hyped blogs is to find things people have "discovered" but due to overspecialization, don't know what they have.
    But they know what they want! More money and time until tenure kicks in, work on the fun stuff with a cute secretary and so on. How many times in a row has fusion been only a couple decades away, and just this one more doubling of money?

    I still want my flying car, and fusion and so on.
    Looks like the best way is to get rich and fund these on your own, you might get results if you fired the losers.

  28. Europium is 63rd element. The 53rd is Iodine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a typo in the summary. 53rd element is Iodine, but Europium is 63rd.

    1. Re:Europium is 63rd element. The 53rd is Iodine by dhTardis · · Score: 1

      It's 53rd, apparently, in the list of elements found to be superconductive. Its atomic number is not being discussed.