There still exists the cached link, albeit in a more discreet, harder to reach location. When you see the preview for a result, you'll see the 'Cached' link in that window.
I take it by the intensity of your post that you either are an H1B hire or have friends who are.
Correct.
Ridiculous requirements mean that they cannot find Americans or Indians to fill the positions. This allows them to then proceed to HIRE and TRAIN low level programmers. One of the places that can support the vast number of low-level programmers happens to be India.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. My company hired me for a position that was vacant for more than 6-8 months because they couldn't find anyone qualified enough - irrespective of nationality. I've spoken with the HR and my immediate senior and they wouldn't have hired me, for MORE than what they were willing to pay anyone else to do the job.
Proceeding and training low level programmers tactic is not directly related to Indians(/foreigners) being present here. What makes you say that this tactic wouldn't be used by the companies even if only Americans were being considered to be hired? Why couldn't they list out ridiculous requirements and then underpay irrespective of the presence of Indians(/foreigners)?
Short posts are not capable of holding an argument that could take up the space of a book so people give shorter summaries. You might want to hold back the racist and ignorant comment till you think about the situation a little more.
The original post is racist. You could debate it all day long but it clearly makes a distinction between Americans and Indians, and how one is somehow magically responsible for driving the salaries down, when he's doing nothing different than the other.
Quick Summary
Companies can list ridiculous requirements for ANYONE and then hire someone for cheap and train. If H1B requires an H1B hire at least 85% salary compared to an American hire for the same position to be paid AND H1B filing costs and paperwork, they better get something out of that employee. They will not hire that employee if he's not going to make the company any money.
I'm not saying there isn't any abuse of H1B visas, not unlike for any other visa, its just that the posts here reek of a clearly demarcated bias and a generalization of most, if not all Indian programmers.
Right, and so parent and you're suggesting there are no shitty American coders?
Two things - there's shitty programmers that are Indian or American, irrespective of their nationality. Why would a company pay more money for processing their H1B visa unless they got something out of those people?
Being an Anonymous Coward defeats your stand, but I'll play anyway.
If the company pays only 15% less for a "shitty" Indian coder (SIC) as compared to a "good" American coder (GAC), isn't the company over paying, given how the parent post was talking about hiring 3-5 SICs instead of 1 GAC for the same money?
Now why would a company hire someone who gets paid 85% of a good programmer but is only 20-35% as good?
Smells to me like an exaggeration, or wait racism. Pick one.
So either the Parent was exaggerating
You have made numerous sweeping generalizations and exaggerations in your post.
1. Far from ALL Indian coders are "shitty". Look at the many inventions and innovations attributed to Indians in American companies. Google for names.
2. The salary is an exaggeration. H1B requires the companies to pay as much to an H1B hire as to an American citizen with the same experience/profile.
3. If the companies scam by listing out ridiculous requirements for job positions, don't they apply to Indians as well? Are you suggesting Indians are generally more skilled than Americans? If you are, then I can see you have explained why an H1B hire could be of more value than an American.
And not only are you racist, you're ignorant. Do you know how many Indians graduate from American Universities with Masters/PhDs? Those are a huge chunk of H1B holders.
Have a nice day.
It is likely that this position allows more leeway to handle a situation in which the "legs" may need to be stretched out to balance itself, and to leave some room for climbing staircases etc. It also probably has something to do with balancing the CG.
I am an Indian and what he's saying is true. Its not about being impatient and rude, its about making it or getting left behind.
It may sound like a troll, but things actually ARE like that. If you want some thing to be done, there's two ways to do it India:
1. Pay someone (generally a middle-man/agent) and get your work done (be it anything, from getting a new phone connection/water connection/submitting some form for your passport etc).
2. Stand with the crowd, elbowing, pushing and shoving for hours before you're told to come back with more documents.
True story. I've done this everywhere including filling up any University form, to getting my passport, to getting into a train/bus to just plain old admissions into any college/school.
Grandparent is not trolling, but stating an absolute truth.
I guess this means more and more people performing simple (that which does not need human judgment or intelligence) tasks will lose their jobs.
This is akin to a war, where you make money selling weapons and ensure a comfortable future for yourself at the cost of others. Second Life and their creators will make money now, but everyone else loses.
Pigs:1, Sheep:0.
That's not how it works. Selling one at a loss means, all things considered, they are going to sell the car for less than what it cost to build it. Its not a mass produced car so your calculation will probably not hold true.
BTW, this news it older than dirt.
It sounds almost like omerta where he is trying to prevent the system from being fixed from loopholes so that fellow scammers (and perhaps accomplices?) keep making money.
Here we branch out into technically superior and characteristically superior. I liken it to an old car. All those posting here about head being coated (which can be cleaned real easily, the joy of listening after that exercise!) and cassettes needing re-spooling or degrading with use need to look at it this way. All these very things make an album on cassette a thing. Not a song that can be copied in no time and you never getting to feel it.
You can argue that mp3s appeal to the ear only as opposed to cassettes (or even vinyl for that matter) that appeal to the ears, eyes, touch and if you're weird like me, then even taste and smell.
Of course, you have your cover flow, but how can that compare to a piece of paper with art printed on it.
And btw, stop using "Troll" so loosely. Not everything you disagree with is trolling.
The sound of, say, Metallica's Garage Inc on tape is way better than on mp3. Cassettes are beautiful. They are durable, unlike CD/DVDs, and I have 25 year old cassettes that still work. They are hardware, tangible mechanical form of music. And there's just something about it that no CD/DVD/MP3s can match.
And then there's the cover art sitting on an actual cover.
Man I miss those days.
I've spoiled my laptop speakers playing music on ubuntu. It takes elaborate tweaks to the equalizer and sacrificing the frequency range to get non speaker distorting sound.
I REALLY wish I knew how to get around this.
Under the www.bing.com/xrank page, when you look under the 'Politicians', number one for today is Melissa Hart, and clicking on her takes me to a page with all three links for the actress Melissa Joan Hart and not the politician.
bing has some homework to do. The preview seems a little pre-mature.
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There still exists the cached link, albeit in a more discreet, harder to reach location. When you see the preview for a result, you'll see the 'Cached' link in that window.
I take it by the intensity of your post that you either are an H1B hire or have friends who are.
Correct.
Ridiculous requirements mean that they cannot find Americans or Indians to fill the positions. This allows them to then proceed to HIRE and TRAIN low level programmers. One of the places that can support the vast number of low-level programmers happens to be India.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. My company hired me for a position that was vacant for more than 6-8 months because they couldn't find anyone qualified enough - irrespective of nationality. I've spoken with the HR and my immediate senior and they wouldn't have hired me, for MORE than what they were willing to pay anyone else to do the job.
Proceeding and training low level programmers tactic is not directly related to Indians(/foreigners) being present here. What makes you say that this tactic wouldn't be used by the companies even if only Americans were being considered to be hired? Why couldn't they list out ridiculous requirements and then underpay irrespective of the presence of Indians(/foreigners)?
Short posts are not capable of holding an argument that could take up the space of a book so people give shorter summaries. You might want to hold back the racist and ignorant comment till you think about the situation a little more.
The original post is racist. You could debate it all day long but it clearly makes a distinction between Americans and Indians, and how one is somehow magically responsible for driving the salaries down, when he's doing nothing different than the other.
Quick Summary
Companies can list ridiculous requirements for ANYONE and then hire someone for cheap and train. If H1B requires an H1B hire at least 85% salary compared to an American hire for the same position to be paid AND H1B filing costs and paperwork, they better get something out of that employee. They will not hire that employee if he's not going to make the company any money.
I'm not saying there isn't any abuse of H1B visas, not unlike for any other visa, its just that the posts here reek of a clearly demarcated bias and a generalization of most, if not all Indian programmers.
Right, and so parent and you're suggesting there are no shitty American coders?
Two things - there's shitty programmers that are Indian or American, irrespective of their nationality. Why would a company pay more money for processing their H1B visa unless they got something out of those people?
Being an Anonymous Coward defeats your stand, but I'll play anyway.
If the company pays only 15% less for a "shitty" Indian coder (SIC) as compared to a "good" American coder (GAC), isn't the company over paying, given how the parent post was talking about hiring 3-5 SICs instead of 1 GAC for the same money?
Now why would a company hire someone who gets paid 85% of a good programmer but is only 20-35% as good?
Smells to me like an exaggeration, or wait racism. Pick one. So either the Parent was exaggerating
You have made numerous sweeping generalizations and exaggerations in your post. 1. Far from ALL Indian coders are "shitty". Look at the many inventions and innovations attributed to Indians in American companies. Google for names. 2. The salary is an exaggeration. H1B requires the companies to pay as much to an H1B hire as to an American citizen with the same experience/profile. 3. If the companies scam by listing out ridiculous requirements for job positions, don't they apply to Indians as well? Are you suggesting Indians are generally more skilled than Americans? If you are, then I can see you have explained why an H1B hire could be of more value than an American. And not only are you racist, you're ignorant. Do you know how many Indians graduate from American Universities with Masters/PhDs? Those are a huge chunk of H1B holders. Have a nice day.
It is likely that this position allows more leeway to handle a situation in which the "legs" may need to be stretched out to balance itself, and to leave some room for climbing staircases etc. It also probably has something to do with balancing the CG.
Unlike boards though, those might hit back.
I am an Indian and what he's saying is true. Its not about being impatient and rude, its about making it or getting left behind. It may sound like a troll, but things actually ARE like that. If you want some thing to be done, there's two ways to do it India:
1. Pay someone (generally a middle-man/agent) and get your work done (be it anything, from getting a new phone connection/water connection/submitting some form for your passport etc).
2. Stand with the crowd, elbowing, pushing and shoving for hours before you're told to come back with more documents.
True story. I've done this everywhere including filling up any University form, to getting my passport, to getting into a train/bus to just plain old admissions into any college/school.
Grandparent is not trolling, but stating an absolute truth.
I guess this means more and more people performing simple (that which does not need human judgment or intelligence) tasks will lose their jobs. This is akin to a war, where you make money selling weapons and ensure a comfortable future for yourself at the cost of others. Second Life and their creators will make money now, but everyone else loses. Pigs:1, Sheep:0.
That's not how it works. Selling one at a loss means, all things considered, they are going to sell the car for less than what it cost to build it. Its not a mass produced car so your calculation will probably not hold true. BTW, this news it older than dirt.
Why not go ahead and sentence the students for "trying to steal" sensitive date from the USAF?
http://xkcd.com/548/ That day is here.
Google tends to be for people who know what they want.
Yahoo tends to be for people who want to be fed/entertained/informed by whatever's there on the table (say like a TV channel).
Of course I generalize.
Opinion: I'm sure, the answer to your question about who uses them is "A lot of people."
In whose name is the internet connection you use registered?
Its actually the Infinite Improbability Drive in action. Research my ass. Before you ask any more questions, 42.
I can't wait to hook it up to a Wii and play some racing games.
It sounds almost like omerta where he is trying to prevent the system from being fixed from loopholes so that fellow scammers (and perhaps accomplices?) keep making money.
Here we branch out into technically superior and characteristically superior. I liken it to an old car. All those posting here about head being coated (which can be cleaned real easily, the joy of listening after that exercise!) and cassettes needing re-spooling or degrading with use need to look at it this way. All these very things make an album on cassette a thing. Not a song that can be copied in no time and you never getting to feel it.
You can argue that mp3s appeal to the ear only as opposed to cassettes (or even vinyl for that matter) that appeal to the ears, eyes, touch and if you're weird like me, then even taste and smell.
Of course, you have your cover flow, but how can that compare to a piece of paper with art printed on it.
And btw, stop using "Troll" so loosely. Not everything you disagree with is trolling.
The sound of, say, Metallica's Garage Inc on tape is way better than on mp3. Cassettes are beautiful. They are durable, unlike CD/DVDs, and I have 25 year old cassettes that still work. They are hardware, tangible mechanical form of music. And there's just something about it that no CD/DVD/MP3s can match. And then there's the cover art sitting on an actual cover. Man I miss those days.
I've spoiled my laptop speakers playing music on ubuntu. It takes elaborate tweaks to the equalizer and sacrificing the frequency range to get non speaker distorting sound. I REALLY wish I knew how to get around this.
Anyone know about the Nali and other easter eggs in DM Peak of Unreal Tournament?
inb4fail. win.
The lectures and materials, blogs and tweets of profs, they're all directly dependent on the presence of academia. If one goes, the other goes.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=bing
Under the www.bing.com/xrank page, when you look under the 'Politicians', number one for today is Melissa Hart, and clicking on her takes me to a page with all three links for the actress Melissa Joan Hart and not the politician.
bing has some homework to do. The preview seems a little pre-mature.