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Microbes 100M Years Old Found In Termite Guts

viyh writes with coverage on MSNBC of the discovery of ancient microbes fossilized in the gut of a termite. "One hundred million years ago a termite was wounded and its abdomen split open. The resin of a pine tree slowly enveloped its body and the contents of its gut. In what is now the Hukawng Valley in Myanmar, the resin fossilized and was buried until it was chipped out of an amber mine. The resin had seeped into the termite's wound and preserved even the microscopic organisms in its gut. These microbes are the forebears of the microbes that live in the guts of today's termites and help them digest wood. ... The amber preserved the microbes with exquisite detail, including internal features like the nuclei. ... Termites are related to cockroaches and split from them in evolutionary time at about the same time the termite in the amber was trapped."

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  1. but is there any dinosaur dna in there? by spiffmastercow · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, we *could* clone the microbes preserved in amber.. But that's just not as exciting, is it?

    1. Re:but is there any dinosaur dna in there? by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Informative

      While Crichton's Jurassic Park did indeed have scientists cloning dinosaurs from blood sucked up by mosquitos now trapped in amber, supplementing the missing portions with amphibian DNA, I've seen that possibility more or less debunked since the novel was published. Much more promising seems the idea of using soft tissues that are by some great luck preserved inside fossils, of which a couple of cases have been publicized in recent years.

    2. Re:but is there any dinosaur dna in there? by CarpetShark · · Score: 3, Funny

      I mean, we *could* clone the microbes preserved in amber.. But that's just not as exciting, is it?

      What's not exciting about out-of-control velocotermites?

    3. Re:but is there any dinosaur dna in there? by squidinkcalligraphy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, I guess if you _are_ going to clone dinosaurs (and I'm not saying that you should), and you want your new best friend to have a fighting chance of survival, you might actually also need to clone the ecosystem of microbes and bacteria that would have lived in an on it back in its day. If you can find some dinosaur bacteria.

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  2. Summer block buster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    One hundred million years ago a termite was wounded and its abdomen split open

    That would make a better film than most of the crap out there at the moment.

    1. Re:Summer block buster by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That would make a better film than most of the crap out there at the moment.

      How would that be? The evil mastermind, who owns a pest control company, revives the prehistoric termites immune to modern pesticides. And the hero, aided by his beautiful lab assistant, releases into the environment the ancient bacteria that are the termites only natural enemy.

    2. Re:Summer block buster by ari+wins · · Score: 4, Funny

      Make the hero another female, and throw in a hot sex scene in the amber mines of Mynnamar, and I'll buy the first ticket.

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    3. Re:Summer block buster by theskipper · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hot lesbian termite sex?

      I dunno. Maybe.

    4. Re:Summer block buster by bjcopeland · · Score: 2, Informative

      One hundred million years ago a termite was wounded and its abdomen split open

      That would make a better film than most of the crap out there at the moment.

      Heh sounds like the beginning of an 'Alien' sequel.

    5. Re:Summer block buster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hot lesbian termite sex?

      Probably not... termites prefer wood.

    6. Re:Summer block buster by TeknoHog · · Score: 2, Funny

      Aren't terminates hermaphrodites?

      Dunno about terminates, but thermites are thermaphrodites, at least when in heat.

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  3. Amber preservation by zippthorne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seems even better than mummification for preserving the dead. We should figure out how to make it, and stick some creatures from our own time in it, including larger specimens for future paleontologists to ponder over. Like, famous politicians, as a reward for their service.

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    1. Re:Amber preservation by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Like, famous politicians, as a reward for their service.

      Do we have to wait 'til they die? I know a few individuals that I'd love to preserve that way right now. For their incredible service, of course...

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    2. Re:Amber preservation by RichardJenkins · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why not just encode the genomes of as many species as possible, and bury it somewhere geologically inactive - like the moon - with a big x painted on top of it. Would probably be cheaper.

    3. Re:Amber preservation by mangu · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Seems even better than mummification for preserving the dead

      It probably wouldn't work for anything bigger than a termite. When I was a kid I had a tarantula encased in acrylic resin. After a year or so, the spider body started shrinking and in the end there was only a dust-filled hole in the plastic.

      Even if it was totally encased in the plastic and isolated from the outside, the tarantula had enough bacteria in its guts to decompose it.

    4. Re:Amber preservation by MartinSchou · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Would degrade in sunlight.

      No, encase it in a huge container ... something obviously not naturally occuring. Maybe a huge slab of obsidian. Make it really stand out ... say 4 times as wide as deep and 9 times as high as it is deep.

      Then you bury that at the bottom of a large crater on the moon. Deep down so it doesn't just end up surfacing on its own.

    5. Re:Amber preservation by rrohbeck · · Score: 4, Funny

      And then revive him from DNA? Now there's material for a horror movie. "Politician Park."

    6. Re:Amber preservation by Randle_Revar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, shit, the Cheney got loose!

    7. Re:Amber preservation by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If it's first tried on them, why not? I could see this become a hit in prime time TV! Actually, I'd really love to see those "harmless" ways of torture be first of all tried on people applauding their use for an hour or two, then discuss it with them how harmless it was.

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  4. Yes, but it's in Chickens, not frogs by anotheregomaniac · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1026340/Jurassic-Park-comes-true-How-scientists-bringing-dinosaurs-life-help-humble-chicken.html According to Jack Horner, professor of palaeontology at Montana State University, the answer is an unequivocal yes. He says: "Of course we can bring them back to life. Their ancestral DNA is still present. "The science is there. I don't think there are any barriers, other than the philosophical."

    1. Re:Yes, but it's in Chickens, not frogs by EdZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll take anything written in the Mail with a grain of salt. Or rather, several tons of Sodium Chloride.

    2. Re:Yes, but it's in Chickens, not frogs by rhyder128k · · Score: 4, Funny

      This tech can only lead to one thing: John McCain II for 2032!

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    3. Re:Yes, but it's in Chickens, not frogs by daniorerio · · Score: 4, Insightful

      According to Jack Horner, professor of palaeontology

      Yes, I'm sure a professor in paleontology will now everything about the genetic problems that will arise...

      To name a few: Mere DNA is not sufficient for an fertilized oocyte to develop, generally an oocyte contains maternally provided protein and RNA, where are you going to get those? Second is epigenetics: The DNA generally contains a lot of modifications to "switch on or off" genes, during embryonic development the DNA is heavily reprogrammed, those cues are probably very species specific, again where are we going to get an dinosaur oocyte??? I'm sure there are even more difficulties to overcome.

  5. Epic Advemture by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is it just me, or does the summary read like the start of a legend that serves as prelude to an epic adventure?

    "One hundred million years ago a termite was wounded and its abdomen split open. The resin of a pine tree slowly enveloped its body and the contents of its gut. In what is now the Hukawng Valley in Myanmar, the resin fossilized and was buried until it was chipped out of an amber mine.

    I want to go on a quest to this "Myanmar" place and find the termite amber and throw it into the nearest volcano before the Evil One's minions get their hands on it.

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    1. Re:Epic Advemture by ozbird · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is it just me, or does the summary read like the start of a legend that serves as prelude to an epic adventure?

      You have been disemboweled.

      Restore, Restart, or Quit?

    2. Re:Epic Advemture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      One does not simply walk into Myanmar

    3. Re:Epic Advemture by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      One does not simply walk into Myanmar

      Sure one does. It's the walking out part that makes for the real trick.

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  6. OMG! That's why they went extinct...GACK! by refactored · · Score: 3, Funny

    *Cough* ...these microbes killed all the dinosaurs and now they have got m

  7. 100M year old bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like the work of Microsoft.

  8. 100 million? by adamwpants · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't you mean 6,000?

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  9. Screw that! by msimm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just clone the meat! Delicious dinosaur meat.

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    1. Re:Screw that! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And it might just be possible, that it really tastes like chicken! :D

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    2. Re:Screw that! by fireheadca · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is what killed them off, their tastiness.

  10. It's the gut microbes that made them termites by ynotds · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you, as I, accept Lynn Margulis's hypothesis, parasitic and symbiotic interactions with microbes play a much stronger role in driving evolutionary diversification than "random" mutations of the genome.

    The only reasonable ref I could find quickly is from 1991: Symbiosis as a Source of Evolutionary Innovation: Speciation and Morphogenesis.

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  11. Quote of the Day by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    Some primal termite knocked on wood.

    And tasted it, and found it good.

    And that is why your Cousin May

    Fell through the parlor floor today.

    -- Ogden Nash

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  12. Mutualism vs Symbiosis by 4181 · · Score: 3, Informative
    From the article:

    Without the protozoa, the termite would starve. Meanwhile, the protozoa would quickly die outside of the termite, resulting in a relationship of dependence between the animals that scientists call "mutualism."

    From the Symbiosis article:

    The definition of symbiosis is in flux, and the term has been applied to a wide range of biological interactions. The symbiotic relationship may be categorized as being mutualistic, parasitic, or commensal in nature. Others define it more narrowly, as only those relationships from which both organisms benefit, in which case it would be synonymous with mutualism.

    Hmm, live and learn.

  13. Coming to theatres... by adosch · · Score: 2, Funny

    Jurassic Amoeba... coming to theaters everywhere Summer 2009. ...it's not the veloci-raptor this time, it's the fearsome mitosis!

  14. Re:I'm confused. by Nazlfrag · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's easy to find, it's north of Kampuchea, to the west of French Indochina and Siam and to the east of Hindustan and Bengal.