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Download Taxes As a Weapon Against File-Sharing

An anonymous reader writes "An examination of a new "digital downloads" taxation law in Washington State suggests that files downloaded via file sharing programs may be covered by the law — meaning that you may be expected to pay taxes based on 'the value of the digital product ... determined by the retail selling price of a similar digital product.' Thus, if you were to download music or movies and not pay the taxes, would you be liable for tax evasion charges? How much do you want to bet the RIAA will push exactly that claim?"

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  1. Re:No different from sales tax evasion by internerdj · · Score: 3, Informative

    TFA says if the download has no purchase price, then it is taxed based on the purchase price of similar items. So if you download a track from an indie artist or public domain for free you still owe a tax as if you had purchased it for the average going rate of an mp3 on iTunes...

  2. Re:Sounds good... by hedwards · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'd be happy to pay them 8.25% for anything I buy. Considering that would be a bit of a break off the 9.5% rate I pay now.

  3. Re:Impossible to enforce by KPU · · Score: 5, Informative

    No. According to line 33 of page 4 in the bill, computer software is not a digital good. Perhaps not the reason you were hoping for, but it does answer your question.

  4. Re:No different from sales tax evasion by rmjohnso · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_tax

    Oh, and I'm a CPA. The OP is correct.

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  5. Re:How is this unreasonable by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If someone gave you $10,000 gift card it'd be a gift. They paid the taxes when they bought it.

    Go to the store. Buy X as a gift for someone. Notice the line at the bottom that says "Tax".

    Only time it's tax exempt is if you're going to resell it. I had friends who bought stuff at Sams Club to sell in their small gas station, they didn't pay taxes at Sams. Their customers paid tax at their place.

  6. Re:Sounds good... by gartogg · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wrong. You need to pay taxes on illegally gotten money. This is clear in the law, and there is no issue at all. Al Capone was nabbed for tax evasion on the money he earned illegally. And you downloaded a song, possibly in an encrypted format. If the data you got is intended to be re-assembled into a product with a value, you acquired it.

    If you don't know what you're talking about, don't.

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  7. Re:How is this unreasonable by Twanfox · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can give up to $12,000 (2008) or $13,000 (2009+) in gifts to any single individual through the year and not have to pay a gift tax on it. However, once you gift more than that to any one person, you are obligated by federal law to pay federal taxes on it. At least, that was my understanding when I looked it up last year. However, the person receiving the gift does not have to claim it as income, as the responsibility is placed on the giver.

    Sales tax is a different beast, and yes, is applied when you use the gift card at a location. So nice when the government goes double dipping in the same pool of money.

    Ref: http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=108139,00.html

  8. Re:Sounds good... by smellsofbikes · · Score: 5, Informative

    While I certainly can't attempt to answer the above, I do offer IRS Publication 525: Taxable and Nontaxable Income, which offers these gems:
    Bribes. If you receive a bribe, include it in your income.
    Found property. If you find and keep property that does not belong to you that has been lost or abandoned (treasure-trove), it is taxable to you at its fair market value in the first year it is your undisputed possession.
    Illegal activities. Income from illegal activities, such as money from dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income on Form 1040, line 21, or on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ (Form 1040) if from your self-employment activity.
    Kickbacks. You must include kickbacks, side commissions, push money, or similar payments you receive in your income on Form 1040, line 21, or on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ (Form 1040) if from your self-employment activity.
    Stolen property. If you steal property, you must report its fair market value in your income in the year you steal it unless in the same year, you return it to its rightful owner.

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  9. Re:Drug tax stamps? by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Informative

    This was already overruled by the supreme court because of that pesky 5th amendment.

  10. Re:"file sharing" by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 3, Informative

    How do they plan to handle legitimate file sharing

    That is what this law is about. What do you mean "plan to?" This law says what they're going to try to do about it: tax it as though you had paid more than you did.

    Legitimate downloads are the whole ostensible point of this law, and people are now noticing that it gives RIAA/MPAA a new angle in dealing with illegitimate downloads.

    If they plan to handle it the same, that seems grossly unfair to the artists and independent producers.

    So, it's unfair. So what? No politician ever lost re-election votes for creating unfair laws. Voters love this kind of stuff and reward it ever chance they get.

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  11. Re:Sounds good... by entgod · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, except that we do too :P

  12. Re:No different from sales tax evasion by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 4, Informative

    TFA is wrong. TFB (the fucking bill) says there is no tax on digital goods an end user receives for free

    The provisions of this chapter do not apply in respect to the use of digital products or digital codes obtained by the end user free of charge.