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Clemson Staffer Outlines College Rankings Manipulation

xzvf writes "A disgruntled Clemson University staffer shows how US News and World Report college rankings are manipulated. Techniques include bad-mouthing other schools, filling out applications from highly qualified students that never intended to apply, and lying about class size and professor salaries." The school, naturally, denies that anything unethical went on. The New York Times has a more detailed article, which links to this first-person account of the presentation.

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  1. Raise your hand by Romancer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Raise your hand if you are surprised that this is going on.

    Seriously, with all the incentive to attract and hold onto students and the funds they bring. Who would have thought that this is all above board and regulated?

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=college+rankings+corruption+&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

    It's not like this is new.

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    1. Re:Raise your hand by sortius_nod · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This seems to be what happens when you introduce greed into a system. If education was free and universities were more specialised it may reduce this, still, the greed factor will always affect the system.

      Maybe I'm too altruistic and this clouds my judgment of others, but I'd like to think that if there was equality of education there'd be less chance of greed in the system.

    2. Re:Raise your hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This seems to be what happens when you introduce greed into a system. If education was free and universities were more specialised it may reduce this, still, the greed factor will always affect the system.

      Maybe I'm too altruistic and this clouds my judgment of others, but I'd like to think that if there was equality of education there'd be less chance of greed in the system.

      That's how it used to be in the European systems. Since the Bologne Agreement, things have been set upside down. All the schools look to be trying to do the same things, poorly, and the curriculum appears largely dictated by external, short-term interests. Funding is no longer a block, it's per student with a bonus for each graduate. So god help the poor teacher that decides to flunk a student. The administrators won't allow that, it would reduce funding. Per student also means quantity over quality. While there are some talented students and others with potential, many are just placeholders. A few don't ever show up in the classroom even once, yet are on the books. That leaves the real students without a real student corps. Again admininistrators won't take the absentees off the roles, cause it would lose them funding.

      The funding rules are currently optimized for a race to the bottom. Fix that first. There are still legimitate degree programs, with old-timers still in charge. But there are also many degree mills with an increasing number of "graduates" with "degrees". These will pool and come back later as faculty, but being weak will only hire even weaker candidates.

      We've seen the result of such ass-hattery in Web development. It went from a skilled sysadmin / programmer and, later, HCI / information architecture to dorks that found a copy of a web editor and used social connections to scam jobs. After leaving a trail of failed websites and broken contracts a few years long, these become web design instructors who produce even less talented workers. Of course that is the worst case, there are talented people out there, but the damage done from the ass-hats cannot be denied. Just go to 5 or 6 random web shops and try to order someting or even price it ...

      University funding is fairly easy to approach via game theory and debug. Fix the funding model and much of the fraud goes away ... over time. We could lose a generation.

  2. In other news... by Tigersmind · · Score: 5, Funny

    water is wet!

    Of course they cheat. They have to. If they don't know how to cheat then how can they catch the students when they cheat so they can cheat better and better so they can cheat into a job where others learn to cheat from them! /cheat cheat

    1. Re:In other news... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      How do I reach these keeeeds?

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    2. Re:In other news... by smaddox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Looking through the comments, I see a lot of apathetic people talking about how obvious it is that this would happen, but I see no one talking about how to improve the situation (other than hinting that making education free would solve all our problems). We are in this situation because everyone just assumes it is the only way. Why don't people start thinking about how to change it? Keep in mind, though, that practical solutions are needed. A revolution in education funding isn't going to happen overnight.

      There are so many intelligent people reading slashdot. It's sad that this isn't used as a forum for developing solutions. Instead it seems to be an outlet for apathy and pessimism.

    3. Re:In other news... by BitHive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some colleges have long refused to participate in the US News rankings not necessarily because of this type of problem, but because it would be a tacit validation of what is a transparently worthless metric (numeric rankings? really?) for evaluating a college education. That it's crooked is almost irrelevant.

    4. Re:In other news... by bogjobber · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The solution is to ignore US News & World Report rankings. Even if schools didn't try and game the results, it's still a ridiculous way to gauge the quality of education you will receive at a university.

      My uni regularly gets knocked down in the rankings because the average graduation time is a little less than six years. But the majority of students work full time! If you want to work and gain experience on the job and money while attending, we're better situated than 95% of schools, but that isn't taken into account.

      There are just way too many factors to take into account, and personal preference should guide the decision, not the weird criterion that US News & World Report uses.

    5. Re:In other news... by theskipper · · Score: 2, Funny

      The white person method, of course.

      http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/165712

    6. Re:In other news... by bzipitidoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Educating students about RL might do it. Get everyone to understand that for any skill that's difficult to measure, you actually don't want the number 1 lawyer, realtor, doctor, dentist, plumber, etc. You want someone who has a good reputation, but no more than that.

      Whoever clawed their way to number 1 has very likely put more expertize into gaming the system than doing a professional job. While dazzling you with that number 1 rating, they will take shortcuts at your expense, and they will recklessly hustle you through their system as fast and cheaply as they can. If you complain, they will be ready to squelch that too. A useful contact at the BBB, a little bit of working that system too, and all record of your complaints will end up in the shredder. One acquaintance of mine retained the "best" lawyer in the metroplex for his nasty divorce, and was talking almost gleefully about how his ex was going to be squashed in court. Then he found out why that lawyer was the "best". The lawyer instructed him to lie in court. When he would not, the lawyer dropped him.

      After a little preparation on what to expect, send students to at least 2 very different "big money" tournaments. It's one thing to hear about it, quite another to be the victim of cheating. It won't matter what-- chess, baseball, poker, pool, any kind of racing, whatever. All that matters is that there are big prizes. More participants than usual are sure to have a cork bat, marked cards, things up their sleeves, tricks, co-conspirators, a fix.

      There's little else that can be done, and maybe only so much that should be done. Cheating and deceit is a fact of life. Biology abounds with examples-- parasites and mimics and sneaks, like the cow bird, the king snake, the blue-throated lizard. The incentive for such sharp competition can be reduced, maybe. Systems can be improved so they are less gameable. The goal isn't perfection, it's just to make the effort of cheating and the chances of pulling it off more and worse than honest training and honest victory. It's like the 2 campers being chased by a bear. You don't have to be faster than the bear, you just have to be faster than the other camper. And finally, don't go out of the way to play games that lend themselves to cheating. Perhaps the most surprising thing about all this is that US News has somehow managed to make their rankings so valuable, gotten so many to believe in it, that the schools are willing to get down and dirty over it.

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  3. So? by DragonDru · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any time an important ranking system is devised, those being judged will figure out how to cheat the system. Given how important these rankings are perceived to be, this should be no surprise to anyone. I am more surprised this is a surprise.

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    1. Re:So? by Jurily · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Any time an important ranking system is devised, those being judged will figure out how to cheat the system.

      There's not much to figure out here. You just have to lie.

    2. Re:So? by gurps_npc · · Score: 2, Informative
      Most of what they do I would not call 'cheating the system'. At best it is 'gaming the system'.

      For example, to go up in the salary number, they RAISED THE SALARY. How is that cheating? Yeah, they had to raise tuition to do it, but it is not cheating.

      Similarly, to get a better class size numbers, they horror of horrors, lowered the maximum number of students in several classes (countering this by enlarging the classes that were already large).

      Now, I would not call the badmouthing of other schools to be a good thing, but it is hardly 'cheating'.

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    3. Re:So? by yali · · Score: 5, Informative

      You just have to lie.

      And to generate a controversy on slashdot, you just have to lie in the article summary.

      Look, I have no doubt that all kinds of universities do all kinds of crazy things to influence their rankings. But the summary gets a lot of stuff wrong.

      For example, on the faculty salaries... Apparently, Clemson did two things. Firstly, they raised actual salaries, which would have a real and legitimate impact on their ability to recruit and retain outstanding faculty. Second, they corrected a previous under-reporting of compensation. US News bases its formula on total compensation (which combines salary and benefits), and apparently Clemson had been previously only reporting salary. (Here's the money quote: "Clarifying Clemson's approach after the panel for a reporter and an interested Robert Morse, director of data research for U.S. News's college rankings, Watt said that the university had added benefits to its faculty salary reporting to U.S. News after previously having failed to do so, as the magazine requires. So its jump came not from double counting or including information that it should not have, but from playing catchup." [source]

      On class sizes, the way Clemson "manipulated" the data was by... um, actually changing their actual class sizes. They made their smaller classes smaller and let their bigger classes get bigger, because US News uses thresholds of 50 in evaluating class size. Sure that helps their numbers... but it's also not a bad thing from a pedagogical point of view. With a discussion-oriented seminar, reducing below 20 makes a real difference. And with a big lecture, 55 versus 100 is not that much of a difference. So they might have actually improved their delivery of education.

      As for the fake applicants mentioned in the summary, I couldn't find that in any of the linked articles. But one of the articles said that Clemson tightened their actual admissions standards (i.e., required higher high school class ranks and SAT scores). That isn't manipulation, that's objectively becoming a more selective institution.

      The dirtiest accusation is that in the peer rankings, Clemson deliberately gave low scores to close rivals. If that was really done intentionally (which Clemson denies), that is genuinely dirty, but not terribly shocking. And that kind of a pattern should have been easily detectable by US News, if they had bothered to look for it.

  4. And...? by TD-Linux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How is this surprising? It's difficult to fact-check a lot of this stuff, simply because there is no uniform way to measure it. It's like contrast ratio and response time for LCDs. Does anyone actually base their college choice on these rankings, anyway?

    1. Re:And...? by Eternauta3k · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's like contrast ratio and response time for LCDs. Does anyone actually base their college choice on these rankings, anyway?

      Why, I chose the college with the fastest LCDs, something wrong with that?

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    2. Re:And...? by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Funny

      I chose mine for realistic flesh tones, it's supposed to help with high intensity scenes, like ......er, certain sports.

    3. Re:And...? by dkleinsc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Does anyone actually base their college choice on these rankings, anyway?

      Yes. That's the really scary part: rather than actually research colleges a significant number of potential students and parents go through the list starting at the top. Others will basically apply to as many schools as they possibly can (which is getting easier to do) and go with the top-ranked school that accepts them.

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  5. SHOCKED by sexconker · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am SHOCKED that anything unethical would go on in academia, especially with regards to admissions and maintaining image.

    Surely this is all bullshit and academia is focused on teaching students, not patting themselves on the back and striving for U-peen and the subsequent moneys.

  6. Same thing happens with Law Schools by dank+zappingly · · Score: 5, Informative
    This year USNews decided to count night programs where many law schools hid their most unqualified(by USNews standards) students. Most bit the bullet and took the hit in their rankings. Brooklyn Law pretended their night program didn't exist,which is why it isn't listed in the part-time section.

    If there is a way to monkey with the rankings, schools will do it. USNews rankings are taken seriously enough where they should really improve their methodology so that it is at least more difficult to cheat.

    1. Re:Same thing happens with Law Schools by timothy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Though I haven't looked at any such numbers since before I went, I've heard from friends that Temple Law dropped in the ratings this year. There were other factors, too (long-time Dean retired, respected writing teacher lured away), but I suspect this is a big one. Temple has a big night program, though (whatever the opinion of the US News people) I would say they tend to the most notably ambitious and seemingly no dumber than we day students :) Most of them, after all, are working full time jobs at the same time, often in pretty challenging fields. I was a TA for some night students in my final year, and I was constantly amazed at the drive -- some of them are full-time parents *and* engineers *and* (by the way) law students. I was far too lazy for that :)

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    2. Re:Same thing happens with Law Schools by elashish14 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Another trick that universities use to inflate their rankings is to give free applications to students that will never get in. Artificially increase the number of applications, then easily reject all of them to lower your admission rate.

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  7. Schools == Business by Niris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Simply comes back down to schools are a business, even the ones that get funding from their State. Higher rankings means more attending students, and the ability to raise their prices and get more money. Plus there's the application processing fees, registration fees, and all the other fun BS. Who wouldn't expect them to bullshit their information to get more people to apply?

    1. Re:Schools == Business by dank+zappingly · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly. I did a case study on this when I was in college. Basically NYU is really savvy and throws all their money at things that are cheap and produce high-earning grads(Law, business, economics) while ignoring or underfunding more expensive fields that don't produce high-earners(relative to cost). It makes sense for a school that doesn't have a huge endowment like the big ivies, but at the same time, it creates an incentive for schools to ignore fields that don't produce high-earners(philosophy, history, english) or are very costly to maintain(physics, biology, nanotech, etc.)

    2. Re:Schools == Business by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think it's really true that schools are a business (except private, for profit ones) but if they were that would be a good thing. Don't forget that schools compete for students not just by lying to get a higher ranking, but also by trying to obtain a higher ranking through legitimate means, better teaching staff, better facilities, better services etc. If anything, this story reflects a problem with a particular ranking system, not with competition between schools in principle.

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    3. Re:Schools == Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There probably is an incentive to graduate high-earners, but schools going the other way can find bragging rights in number of alumni with doctorates or Nobel Laureates or Macarthur Fellows or things like that. It's not nearly as directly linked to increased alumni giving, but it does add to demand for the school and my alma mater has done fine using that technique among others.

    4. Re:Schools == Business by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      However NYU does do very well with fundraising. It also doesn't hurt that their undergraduate tuition is obscenely expensive (more than double what I pay).

      My college, on the other hand, graduates huge numbers of peace corps volunteers, teachers, and professors, and is (barely) funded by the state.

      Naturally, we take a big hit on US News' endowment rankings, which allegedly hold an enormous weight on the overall ranking. However, although a few of our buildings could use a fresh coat of paint, we seem to do just fine without a 2.5billion endowment.

      (I shouldn't knock NYU too much. Their Law and Business programs are indeed among the top of their fields, as the GP indicated. Their fine/performing arts program is also top-notch, and certainly doesn't produce many (any?) high-earners (although I do suppose such a program might attract a certain kind of high-rolling donor, if we're going to be throwing uninformed accusations around). Arts & Sciences at NYU, however, do tend to be generally unremarkable compared to the "flagship" programs, and certainly not worth $60 Grand a year)

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  8. Common by gtwrek · · Score: 5, Informative

    Back in the late 80s, Georgia Tech would have any incoming freshmen with lower high school GPAs start in the Summer quarter. This was under the auspices of giving those who were struggling, a bit more time to adjust to college curriculum before the incoming fall crush.

    The interesting "side effect" was that the GPA of incoming Fall freshmen was thus higher, and the university had no trouble repeating that fact.

    1. Re:Common by KyleTheDarkOne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is actually a very good idea. With getting a high school education in the South, I know that many high schools do not properly prepare students for college and with summer classes generally being a bit easier it makes sense for lower GPA students to be transitioned into college without having to worry about settling in and having the full class load.

  9. Alternatives to US News ranking by GAATTC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One alternative is to bow out http://web.reed.edu/apply/news_and_articles/college_rankings.html of the rankings game and take a principled stand as Reed College has done. One way of thinking about attending a fine school like this is that you "want to go to a school that isn't interested in selling out its education." Perhaps not surprisingly, US News didn't actually remove Reed from the rankings, they just ranked Reed (lower) with an incomplete data set. The other alternative could be called 'open source' ranking. The University and College Accountibility Network http://www.ucan-network.org/ ranks colleges in a common format, has useful information, and best of all, you don't have to buy a copy of US News to get the rankings!

  10. Re:It explains a lot by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I went to Yale so my biases may be showing but even in high school I never knew many students who paid that much attention to rankings when they were considering what schools to go to. It might make a difference if two schools were very far apart in the rankings but that was pretty much it. I And even then, that would simply be a proxy for one being a better school. Far more people cared either about the academics, the scholarships offered, and the location than anything else.

    My impression is that the laws schools care a lot more about the rankings and that it influences people a lot more about where they are applying. (Not surprisingly one seems to see a lot more manipulation of the law school rankings than the undergraduate rankings). This care might be coming in part from the fact that employers such as law firms apparently care about the rankings for deciding whom to hire.

    All of that said, if a ranking difference plays only a small weight on students' decisions it could still impact a lot of the students who were making knifeedge decisions about whether or not to go to a specific school.

  11. Playboy's Top Party Schools by snsh · · Score: 3, Funny

    About 20 years ago Playboy Magazine picked MIT as one of the top ten party schools. Rumor was that Playboy called some random dude on campus who listed out all the parties happening that year, making it sound like they were all happening that weekend.

    I feel badly for all those kids who chose MIT because of its top-ten Playboy ranking, only to go and find a bunch of nerds, forever regretting not going to Clemson instead.

    1. Re:Playboy's Top Party Schools by zaffir · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because kids choosing a school based on Playboy's party ranking are the kind of kids that get into MIT.

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    2. Re:Playboy's Top Party Schools by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I feel badly for all those kids who chose MIT because of its top-ten Playboy ranking, only to go and find a bunch of nerds, forever regretting not going to Clemson instead.

      I don't know if you ever visited MIT in the 80s. The parties were definitely off the hook, and the girls coming in from Wellesley, BU, BC, etc were pretty amazing.

      One thing I recall from the MIT guys I knew -- those guys were overachievers at everything -- academics, sports, leadership, and of course, partying. My exposure was limited to guys like that, so I don't know if it applied to the rest of the student body... but you should have seen some of the fantastic hack-engineering used to hide kegs, jello pits, etc.

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    3. Re:Playboy's Top Party Schools by sexconker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "The girls coming in from Wellesley ... were pretty amazing."

      Um...

    4. Re:Playboy's Top Party Schools by ThrowAwaySociety · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because kids choosing a school based on Playboy's party ranking are the kind of kids that get into MIT.

      That was the joke, yes. Congratulations, you got it!

  12. People will game any system for maximum reward ... by bleuchez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This brings to mind an article I read way back in Inc magazine where the author talks about how employees will figure out how game any system that rewards them.

    http://www.inc.com/magazine/20081001/how-hard-could-it-be-sins-of-commissions.html

    Clemson is just gaming the system, I imagine other schools that change quickly change their ranking probably are doing the same. Even if US News and World Report changes their ranking methodology, I guarantee that schools will simply change their tactics to beat the system agian.

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  13. No surprises here by timholman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been working in academia for years, and gaming of the USN&WR rankings is hardly news to us. Talk to any college administrator off the record, and he or she can rattle off the names of peer institutions that are almost certainly fudging the numbers.

    The USN&WR numbers are self-reported by each university, with no verification by the USN&WR staff. With so much funding and prestige riding on the rankings, who is surprised that some schools play fast and loose with the facts?

    What is unfortunate is that USN&WR has manipulated itself into the position of being the arbiter of school "quality", through no other action than being the first to create the poll. A news magazine shouldn't have that kind of influence over the entire U.S. educational system, especially when it can't even be bothered to check the numbers that it publishes.

    1. Re:No surprises here by Lunzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      USN&WR was just ahead of its time. Reporting without checking is all the rage these days e.g. blogging, twitter, opinion pieces and even a fair deal of what passes for quality journalism.

      (I wish I wasn't joking)

  14. Here's a way that my College cheated a ranking... by VinylRecords · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My College was always top on a list of Colleges that the highest percentage of alumni donating to the college after graduating. The rankings would score a college or university based on what percentage of alumni donated back to the school the first year after graduating.

    My College found the simplest way to manipulate that index. Just have every single student who graduates donate one dollar back to the school and then find one or two students with extremely wealthy parents (this was not hard at my school) and have them donate thousands and thousands of dollars. This way the school would report absurd figures like "90 percent of students donated back to our school within the first year of graduating from our undergraduate program" and it would make the school look good and it would make the degree you just got look a little more prestigious. They never told the index that we only donated a dollar and were instructed to by some of administration.

    And with the few giant donations from one or two individuals, the school could artificially say that the average donation was way higher than typical, while hiding the fact that it was offset by just one or two massive donations.

    Other ways to cheat is hiring adjunct professors or part time professors under different titles like 'technician' or 'consultant'. This makes the percentage of full time faculty and professors look way higher than it actually is because the school hides its adjuncts under different titles. Another way they cheated the system was renaming classrooms as different titles. One of the rankings is how many classrooms on campuses have TVs/projectors/computers and if you hide the classrooms without those your percentages increase in your 'technology' score as well.

    If I think of any more I'll them but these were the ones that came to mind immediately.

  15. Is anyone surprised about this? by UseCase · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not to spread doom and gloom but academia has been like this for a very long time.

    Colleges and universities are struggling internally. On the one hand schools have to generate revenue which requires advertisement, marketing and "looking" better than other competing schools. On the other hand the primary roles of universities and colleges in society are to increase societies overall intellect and be a lightening rod for research, learning, and understanding.

    The internet offers free access to knowledge and is stealing thunder from individual academic institutions. For example, I can communicate almost instantaneously with authors, researchers and professors and get an answer in most cases. I can view lectures and get materials on most subjects. Most educators/professors have blogs and some have tweets. We are not as dependent on academia to facilitate intellectual communication as we once were.

    I have compared academia in the US, especially the Ivy League schools, to the luxury car industry. The information rumored in the original post enforces the legitimacy of my comparison. I recently read an small article on luxury vs performance that kinda applies to this topic.

    Luxury is about appearing better. Performance is about being better.

  16. Cheating /and/ standards-chasing by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if you're not going this far.... the business school at Wake Forest University a few years ago suddenly became a lot more selective and shrunk the number of people it would accept. The idea, I believe, was to increase the standings in various rankings. Of course, there were side effects of this, such as the economics department being flooded with people who didn't make it.... and it's not really good for the university as a whole, either... or "education" in the abstract.... It's going to look real good on someone's resume, though.

    Typical principal-agent problem at work.

    (Then there's the "omg new logo" debacle... gaak... and you guys wonder why I don't give you a $5/yr pittance to "improve your ranking" in the alumni-willing-to-give category)...

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  17. Summary Wrong by avilliers · · Score: 2, Informative

    At no point in any of the three articles did I see anyone accused of "lying" about class sizes or professor salaries. The number of classes less than 20 people actually did increase--at least partly by bogus 'load balancing'. And the professor salaries increased, both by raising them in reality and because the old reported numbers didn't include benefits (as they should have).

    I also couldn't find the source for the claim about filling out fraudulent applications, though it's possible I missed it.

    None of this is to defend the ranking gaming, but the summary gives an extremely different picture than I got from the source material, which mostly is in the category of 'administering to the test'

  18. Think that's bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm at a University in the UK. There are many students here on the MSc Computer Science scheme that can not program. Any language. At all. One of the group-work programming modules has been altered this year, so that rather than programming a solution, students can use Access / Excel / Word to produce the prototype of their 'system'. And as students might not find that easy, rather than do a presentation demo-ing their work, they can instead videotape the demo, allowing for smoke and mirrors tricks.
     
    We have students with 80%+ plagiarism according to TurnItIn, and being let off with a slap on the wrist due to "cultural differences".
     
    We have a Professors of Multimedia who can only code a web page when using Word 2003, and requires help opening Visual Studio solution files. We have lecturers who write down which files need to be moved to which folders, because they have yet to master drag and drop in Windows...

    On the other hand, we have lecturers who are experts in their field. We have some young, highly knowledgeable and enthusiastic lecturers who know their subject inside out, yet don't for a second come across as arrogant. Who continue to be told "If we achieve less than 80% pass-rate on your module, it's your fault for not teaching the subject properly" despite the powers-that-be allowing students onto the degree who clearly have no skill with computers, whose only contribution to the School is 3x the normal annual fee.

    The good lecturers get more work put upon them. The crap lecturers have told the-powers-that-be to sod off... so they are not given extra work any more. This gives them more time for leisure, recreation, and outside pursuits.
     
    Sorry to rant... but for all the crap, I do love my University. I just wish the Executive, the Dean, the Associate Deans, and the Senior Lecturers cared enough to do something about it.

    They don't.

  19. TNSTAAFL by sadler121 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This seems to be what happens when you introduce greed into a system. If education was free and universities were more specialised it may reduce this, still, the greed factor will always affect the system.

    Maybe I'm too altruistic and this clouds my judgment of others, but I'd like to think that if there was equality of education there'd be less chance of greed in the system.

    If education where free? You do know that there is no such thing as a free lunch? You have to pay teachers, administrators salaries and benefits, and that money has to come from somewhere. In the case of people how advocate for 'free' education, this inevitably leads to the government providing the education, and the government has to get that money from somewhere, and that somewhere is called taxation. Which again, does not make it free, it just appears to be that way.

    1. Re:TNSTAAFL by Bjorn_Redtail · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Moreover, it doesn't really solve the problem. Universities would still get more funding (except, the funding would from the government) for more students, so they would still have a reason to try to recruit students. This would in turn give them a reason to fudge their US News rankings and whatnot, much as the current system did.

  20. Is the USNews Model good? by mcleland · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the US News & World Report model actually captures good things about a university, then what's wrong with attempting to match that model?

    That a university tries to match what it considers a good model shouldn't be surprising. The validity of the model may be questioned. The methods to match the institution to that model may be questioned. But I don't see how attempting to get better under some model they consider good (by whatever criteria they pick) is bad.

    I don't know enough about it to know if the USNews model is any good - maybe, maybe not. But I know that institutions I'm generally familiar with land about where I might expect in the rankings. Ivy leagues on top, small underfunded state colleges much lower.

    Now, the claim that Clemson administrators purposefully rank other universities lower, that's a different matter. That is the most troubling claim to me in the whole bit. That action is highly unethical and I would be sorry to find out that it is true of Clemson, or anywhere for that matter.

  21. Re:CLEMSON'S A COW COLLEGE!!!! by colinrichardday · · Score: 2, Funny

    Clemson is a land grant college in a small town, hence MooCow. The "GO COCKS!" was, I suspect, contributed by a student/alumnus/alumna of The University of South Carolina, Clemson's archrival and home of the Fighting Gamecocks. As an alumnus of South Carolina, I'll kick in an extra GO COCKS!!

  22. Rankings are just opinions in disguise by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mel Elfin pretty much let the cat out of the bag. When asked how he knew that the U. S. News and World Report rankings were sound, he answeredthat he knew it because Harvard, Yale, and Princeton always landed on top.

    In other words, the rankings are simply a way to give the trappings of science and objectivity to a system whose purpose is merely to reaffirm the conventional wisdom.

  23. Why is Clemson's school color blaze orange? by leftie · · Score: 3, Funny

    So the students can go to the game on Saturday, go hunting on Sunday, and pick up trash along the highway on work days.

  24. Re:Why parent insightful? by megaditto · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think you missed a lesbo joke.

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  25. Law School Manipulations by TheoMurpse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's some shit law schools have done:

    Last year, Berkeley (#6) sent fee waivers to a ton of underqualified students. Students who would have never applied to Berkeley because applications cost money to submit. (Hence the fee waiver.) Underqualified students apply (because why not? it's free) and get rejected. Berkeley artificially deflates their acceptance rate, which helps their ranking score. This is likely done by a ton of schools. I just know of Berkeley doing it.

    Another factor that affects LS rankings is the offer acceptance rate (basically, how many students who get accepted elect to attend that instutition). Schools will frequently reject obviously overqualified candidates because "they'll decide against going here and attend Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Chicago, Columbia, NYU, etc. instead." Thus, qualified students are rejected for being "too qualified."

    Finally, schools like Georgetown (GULC, #14) used to admit a ton of transfer students and part-time students. Neither transfer students nor part-time students affected the LS rankings. Thus, GULC basically could accept many less qualified people, extract $100K from each of them over the next two years, use these extra millions of dollars to entice very qualified candidates to attend with generous scholarship packages (full rides and the like). Because these transfer and part-time students didn't affect the rankings, GULC was effectively using a money-generating machine to attract very qualified candidates who may otherwise have attended a more highly ranked school like Chicago. However, this year, the USNWR started including part-time students in the rankings. Transfers still aren't included.

    Of course, the question remains: Does this matter all that much? When a law school like Yale or Harvard has so much money and prestige to leverage to attract the best students even if the students won't get a better classroom education there, aren't other schools equally entitled to game rankings that, at the end of the day, are pretty much bullshit anyway?

    Look, I attended a top law school, but I'm willing to acknowledge that the rankings are almost completely meaningless outside of job prospects. The rankings do create some sort of "job prospect tiers." But aside from that USNWR rankings are crap (at least in law, I don't know about other fields).