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Mozilla To Launch "Build Your Own Browser"

angry tapir sends in a piece from Down Under which begins "Mozilla is readying a program that will allow companies to build their own customized browsers based on the next version of Firefox, which will be out in a few weeks. ... Through the Build Your Own Browser program, which will start sometime soon after Firefox 3.5 is released at the end of June, companies can use a Web application provided by Mozilla to specify certain customizations for the browser, such as bookmarks to certain sites or corporate intranets or portals. ... The bulk of enterprises still use Internet Explorer if they mandate a browser for company use, because Microsoft provides provisioning and installation software for IE that makes it easy for enterprises to control browser settings and install across all corporate desktops, said Forrester analyst Sheri McLeish. Mozilla has not historically done this, but something like the Build Your Own Browser program is a good start to encourage enterprises to use Firefox over IE."

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  1. Not for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I dunno, I work for a Fortune 100 company and we use IE because all the crappy "enterprise" software we run requires stupid ActiveX or JavaScript or whatever that only runs on IE6. Good luck to FireFox, but customizations ain't got nothing to do with it where I work.

    1. Re:Not for us by jonaskoelker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can add some interesting features like web page scrapers, etc.

      ... security holes, 90's UI paradigms, Active X controls, proprietary extensions, ...

      Yeah, I can see the appeal ;-)

    2. Re:Not for us by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ieTab doesn't work in Linux because there's no IE to load in the tab in Linux. That's all ieTab does...

  2. ActiveX by Green+Light · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Enterprises support IE because it runs ActiveX controls. Until FF does this, it will not appear in desktop builds for the majority of Corporate America.

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    1. Re:ActiveX by linebackn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Enterprises support IE because it runs ActiveX controls. Until FF does this, it will not appear in desktop builds for the majority of Corporate America.

      Actually, what SHOULD happen is that companies need to stop using those old ActiveX controls. Otherwise eventually companies are going to find themselves in a situation where they run one browser and the rest of the world runs something else!

    2. Re:ActiveX by afabbro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Enterprises support IE because it runs ActiveX controls. Until FF does this, it will not appear in desktop builds for the majority of Corporate America.

      Actually, what SHOULD happen is that companies need to stop using those old ActiveX controls. Otherwise eventually companies are going to find themselves in a situation where they run one browser and the rest of the world runs something else!

      I don't think they'd care. For most companies, the browser is just a UI into various enterprise apps. E.g., instead of having to install a Peoplesoft Win32 executable client, Peoplesoft has a built-in web server and users access PeopleSoft through the intranet. This is extremely common - in fact, it may be the most common way for users to interact with enterprise apps these days. For most desktops, what the rest of the world runs is immaterial - it's whether the browser talks to application X, Y, and Z hosted internally.

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    3. Re:ActiveX by Jason+Earl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Other than the fact that relying on ActiveX ties to you to Internet Explorer. In many cases it even ties you to an obsolete and insecure version of Internet Explorer. Microsoft has essentially pulled the plug on ActiveX. It wants you to move to new technologies (and when you do migrate it will pull the plug on those technologies and force you to migrate again).

      I would be that, in most enterprises, if you added up the costs of continuing to support IE6 it would become clear that relying on ActiveX was a very poor bargain. The advantages of using ActiveX over other competing technologies was relatively small, and the cost of choosing ActiveX has been quite high.

    4. Re:ActiveX by silanea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, of course established companies never release flawed software, right? Their ActiveX control does not have to be malicious in itself, it is sufficient if it tears holes into your defense for others to abuse. ActiveX needs to die a very quick death already. And can we please club that idea that a browser, JavaScript and a bit of fairy-dust can fully replace any local application regardless of specific implications out of people's heads?

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    5. Re:ActiveX by jalefkowit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Enterprises support IE because it runs ActiveX controls. Until FF does this, it will not appear in desktop builds for the majority of Corporate America.

      People make this argument -- "enterprises" won't use Firefox until it has feature X, or Y, or Z -- a lot, and it's just wrong.

      "Enterprises" are lagging indicators because their IT staff are generally guided primarily by risk aversion. Even if Firefox was 100% bug-compatible with IE, they wouldn't switch, because IE runs their crappy, poorly written "enterprise applications" well enough today. Why take a chance by switching?

      No, the way new technologies get into the enterprise isn't by chasing features, it's by being so insanely useful that the users start demanding it, no matter what the IT people want.

      Example: the PC didn't make its way into big business back in the 70s because Apple re-engineered the Apple II to play nicely with VAXes; it made its way in because users bought them on their own dime, brought them into work, dumped 'em on their desks and told the IT staff "I need this to get my work done. Deal with it."

  3. And in the Linux world ... by pseudonomous · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if this will spawn a trend where every single distro ships with thier own branded firefox version. Meaning that in distro reviews, we'll have the mandatory screenshot of the login screen art, the defualt desktop background, and the firefox branding. Great.

    I would welcome this for Arch, though, we have to rebuild firefox from source or we're stuck with the ugly "built from source code" icons.

  4. Spinning an outstanding deficiency by phoebe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So instead of offering one browser that can be configured by Group Policy in an Enterprise IT deployment they offer a web service to generate hard-coded branded browser installers? Sounds like a lot of work to avoid implementing what IT managers really want.

    1. Re:Spinning an outstanding deficiency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah. It's not like the IT department is actually concerned with that "group policy" and "fine-grained control of all instances of the browser on the network" crap.

      They're worried if they're able to slap their company's LOGO onto the browser! Way to set your priorities straight, Mozilla.

    2. Re:Spinning an outstanding deficiency by deadsquid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The intent is to get to a place where we can do just that. The challenge is creating MSI's that can do that without relying on the registry for configuration changes (Firefox keeps all of its configuration directives - with the exception of some plugin registrations - in the appdir and user profile). It's a solvable problem that requires some concerted effort, and I'm always interested in hearing what kinds of configuration options the provisioning groups within an enterprise are looking for.

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    3. Re:Spinning an outstanding deficiency by Nimey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Great, but that's not an official package from Mozilla, and hence it can't be trusted by us more paranoid types.

      Can someone at Mozilla tell us why you haven't started distributing your own MSI and ADM files yet?

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  5. You might not be focusing on the right target... by Bill_Royle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem isn't that companies can't deploy Firefox - it's that most vendors are IE-centric. It's easy to put together a default Firefox profile with the requisite bookmarks and customizations, but tougher to get the same "experience" when it comes to things like Sharepoint and SAP, among others. Once you can get some of those vendors (ok, maybe not MS) to play more nicely, the rest will take care of itself.

    I'm not saying it's all Mozilla's fault - in fact most of it isn't. But some corporate evangelism would go a long way towards getting traction within the enterprise.

  6. Striking while the iron is hot by carlzum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Firefox has earned a lot of goodwill among the general population, but it's probably nearing a plateau in terms of brand recognition and new users. MS is starting to close the gap in features and security perception, so now is the time for FF to make some inroads in the enterprise software market. Users migrated to FF because they were dissatisfied with IE. If Modzilla solves shortcomings in IE for businesses and organizations they'll make some traction. If everyone's generally happy with IE, I don't see any new features that will compel them to invest in the change.

    I do see a lot of companies using login scripts to control IE settings, and Active Directory's group policies tend to be an all-or-none (no plug-ins or all plug-ins, can't change homepage or can change it to anything, etc.) so there may be a few things Mozilla can improve on.

  7. Re:Opera did this too by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And more appealing for other people. Corporate management can be weird.

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  8. Re:Opera did this too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    IE was the better browser for a while, which is why it won...

    IE won over Netscape 4 because IE was the default option and Microsoft abused their desktop monopoly to bundle IE and Microsoft prevented OEMs from offering a different default browser.

    Remember that there's a bit of hindsight affecting peoples take on it too... at the time was the battle of CSS versus Javascript Style Sheets at the W3C and CSS won, so it's only natural that Netscape 4 looks worse upon hindsight. At the time Netscape 4 and IE were about the same (read: full of bugs). IE4 didn't understand floats at all well and while it supported position:absolute it didn't understand right/bottom coordinates(!), whereas Netscape 4 had a (seemingly) different rendering engine once you made JavaScript changes to the page and setting things back to the same values would often result in different positioning.

    Weird shit, but please don't act like market forces, default browsers, and OEM constraints weren't the major factor in IE winning for a few years.

    Currently I'd say that while IE has the majority they aren't winning in that no one has to develop just for them to the detriment of other browesrs.

  9. You can demonstrate that. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is the bottom line gain YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE to the company? zero, and don't start talking about security, the you can demonstrate bit is the most important bit.

    You may be able to demonstrate a security flaw, depending on what it is and your skill level...if push comes to shove, round up some virus samples and put together a "crash dummy" PC/VM for demonstration purposes...

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  10. Re:Opera did this too by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I am selling widgets for $40 and my competition is giving away feature comparable widgets for free who are customers going to go to for their widgets?

    Not you, obviously. Much like when I want a drink of water I grab it from the drinking fountain, not the guy hawking water bottles at a few bucks a pop.

    That is why Microsoft was convicted of abusing its monopoly power.

    Microsoft weren't the only company giving away widgets.

    Netscape, by trying to charge for a web browser, were very much out of the ordinary. They gambled that they'd be able to tie their web browser to their web server in a compelling package and therefore be able to charge big $$$ for both. They lost.