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US Switch To DTV Countdown Begins

s31523 writes "In February lawmakers postponed the switch from analog to digital TV. Now, the new June 12th deadline is upon us with no sign of another delay. CNET is reporting that the President himself has stated, '... I want to be clear: there will not be another delay.' So it looks like it is going to happen, for real this time. Even with the delay, there are still estimated to be millions of unprepared viewers. Local stations may participate in the voluntary 'Analog nightlight' services in which TV stations agree to keep an analog signal turned on in addition to their digital signals to provide information about the DTV transition and to notify unprepared TV viewers of emergencies, such as hurricanes."

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  1. I have already faced my worst nightmare by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not afraid of the switch tomorrow. I've already spent the last few months getting repeated phone calls from my grandma complaining about the funny new box we put on her TV so she can still get her damn Judge Judy.

    The last one was the best. Grandma called up and informed me that her new remote was broken. So I called my cousin, who drives over to her house and finds that the "broken" remote is the result of grandma having put a fucking doily on top of the box (blocking its IR receiver). I shit you not.

    I love my HDTV. But it's a demanding love.

    --
    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    1. Re:I have already faced my worst nightmare by qortra · · Score: 4, Funny

      It sounds like your Grandma is the demanding love.

    2. Re:I have already faced my worst nightmare by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's tons of people who are going to be cut off because of this. Analog TV has much better range than Digital TV, and has much better tolerances with a bad signal. Think about when there's bad weather with your satellite dish. The picture is either there, or it's completely gone. With analog, you get varying degrees of static depending on how bad the signal is, but when there's bad weather, like hurricanes or blizzards, you can make out some of what's going on to get the news.

      --

      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
    3. Re:I have already faced my worst nightmare by DaGoatSpanka · · Score: 5, Insightful

      During a hurricane or blizzard, turn on the radio if you can't get TV signal. A hurricane will more than likely kill power and my TV doesn't take batteries like my radio!

    4. Re:I have already faced my worst nightmare by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 4, Insightful

      During a weather emergency, the TV not the first place I go for relevant information. Noaa.gov, weather.com, and/or a local AM "News and weather station" are my collective first choice.

      However, I do know what you mean. If someone really is relying on the TV during really bad weather, analog would probably be more fault-tolerant.

      --

      The Digital Sorceress
    5. Re:I have already faced my worst nightmare by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The pixellation / loss of DTV video is inconvenient, but the loss / breakup of the audio is downright annoying.

      It's a shame there's a lack of redundency for the audio channel in the ATSC standard to reduce the "cliff effect" on the audio portion.

      NTSC for all its faults, and it has many, degrades gracefully and remains somewhat usable well out into fringe areas.

      On a related topic, the U.S. version of DTV results in a noticeable delay to change channels / reacquire signal.

      Ron

    6. Re:I have already faced my worst nightmare by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Analog TV has much better range than Digital TV, and has much better tolerances with a bad signal.

      The short and simple solution to this problem is to do what your Grandad did in 1950 and his Grandad in 1925:

      You spring for a good external antenna - and you install it by-the-book.

    7. Re:I have already faced my worst nightmare by sribe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, I live in a kind of remote rugged location, and since the switch to DTV my picture is much better. Now my internet access gets flaky when it's windy--lower transmitting tower...

  2. "Februrary"? by Petersko · · Score: 4, Funny

    What... you thought "February" was too easy to pronounce correctly?

  3. We're Doing this for You ... r Money by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "We have worked hand in hand with state and local officials, broadcasters and community groups to educate and assist millions of Americans with the transition...I want to be clear: there will not be another delay."

    Well, I hope my government is this vocal and helpful in getting everyone coordinated to switch to IPv6 and HTML5. Oh, ha, that's right. If we switch to those, the government doesn't get to auction off IPv4 or HTML4 for twenty billion dollars. So I guess you only get grade A support from the FCC and Department of Commerce only when they profit from it. That's really a shame, I think if the United States informed consumers on more standards and compliance it would benefit the average citizen. Hell, sometimes I wish the Senators & Congressmen themselves sought such information.

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    My work here is dung.
    1. Re:We're Doing this for You ... r Money by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No matter how much they try, the US can't mandate anything to do with the internet, because it doesn't own the internet. You can tell everybody in the US to switch to IPV6, but that isn't going to make everyone else in the world immediately comply. Same as a shutting down internet gambling. You can shut down the US based ones, but you can't shut down offshore ones.

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      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
  4. Digital change over by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've changed over to digital torrent distribution, freeing up the airwaves completely.

  5. Re:Analog nightlight? by tonyreadsnews · · Score: 5, Informative

    More than half the stations broadcasting the "analog nightlight" service will remain on air for 30 days. And the rest will be on for at least two weeks. In total, these stations will reach 69 percent of TV households.

  6. seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If someone hasn't figured out they need to pick up a DTV tuner, and gone out and obtained one by now, but they can sit there and watch the static. There has been AMPLE warning that this was coming, so even stupidity and laziness wont cut it for an excuse.

    1. Re:seriously... by tttonyyy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If someone hasn't figured out they need to pick up a DTV tuner, and gone out and obtained one by now, but they can sit there and watch the static. There has been AMPLE warning that this was coming, so even stupidity and laziness wont cut it for an excuse.

      I work for a company the supplies a large proportion of the world with digital content distribution equipment (as a s/w engineer, it's a rather cool job - quite a lot of what people watch/hear has been touched (not necessarily in a good way ;) ) by my code).

      Your observation is easy to say from the viewpoint of someone technologically aware - but you have to recognise there are plenty of people that just "don't get it" because even a basic level of technology is more than they want to get to grips with. These people don't understand how cordless phones work, and have little interest in internet connectivity. The whole digital television thing is a blur. But, they are happy like that; the digital switch over is just an annoyance they don't understand.

      I don't think that makes them lazy or stupid - its just a different set of life values that people in our demographic don't understand.

      Maybe one day our kid's kid's will be complaining about how we haven't had our brains flash frozen for inclusion in the AI singularity grid. Don't we know organic matter will be obsolete in a couple of years? :)

      Thankfully until then the progress that I do understand pays the mortgage - and I hope the numerous beers don't dull my excitement over new technology - though as I get older, I feel that certain inevitability that it will. Maybe one day we'll be left watching the static too...

      --
      biopowered.co.uk - catalytically cracking triglycerides for home automotive use since 2008. Just say no to big oil!
  7. REPENT! by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Funny

    REPENT! Repent ye geeky sinners! For the end of days is upon ye!

    Lo! As it is written, there shall befall a great and terrible calamity upon all the kin of the nerdy, and their most precious gadgets and devices shall be laid low by the machinations of the wicked! And they shall lament, and make agitated phone calls even in the early hours of the late morning!

    And there shall be a great moaning as the geeky rise to diagnose the woes of their parents and uncles and aunts and cousins and neighbors and co-workers and friends and even children! Naught will your warnings save you as the wretched shall pay no need. And ye shall be swamped with piteous wails and whinges as the masses of humanity beat down thy doors and fill up they inboxes with useless protestations and opinions and heed not thy councils.

    Thou shalt spend thy last days overseeing the procurement and installation of countless digital devices. Yea, in peoples very living rooms! And thou shalt be condemned to maintain and provide unpaid support for each and every one of these cheap and buggy imports till the end of thy unhappy life.

    Repent geeky sinners! Give up thy sinful social ways and cast off thy connections to society, like the mathematicians and programmers of old! Give up thy internet and telephone connections and families and social life! Give up and repent, lest ye be danmed! REPENT!

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    May the Maths Be with you!
  8. The delay was unnecessary by theurge14 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only way to get the masses to switch is to force it upon them. Hence the continuing popularity of Windows XP.

  9. Finally! by brian0918 · · Score: 4, Funny

    No more TV! So much free time! Thank you, government!

  10. Re:Analog nightlight? by aca_broj_1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your point would probably carry a lot more weight if you had a different username.

  11. Your local laundromat and barber shop... by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I did a load of clothes at the local laundromat last night, and enjoyed a episode of the New Twilight Zone (which I guess is itself pretty old now) as my unmentionables tumbled in the dryer. The TV, perched precariously atop a non-functional pop machine, was older than my kids. The signal was fuzzy, and I believe the "antenna" was a brown extension cord, ends stripped and screwed into the old 300-ohm input. Most of the time the color dropped out, leaving the New Twilight Zone looking oddly like the Old Twilight Zone.

    A couple of weeks ago, I watched a static-y news broadcast at the local barber shop. His TV was equipped with a newfangled set of rabbit ears of much more recent vintage, maybe 10 years old or even newer.

    Tomorrow, both locations will almost certainly dish up nothing but that "analog nightlight". And even if the owners get a fancy new box -- not likely at the laundromat, and not terribly certain at the barber shop -- it won't help. The metal in the washers and dryers will probably futz up the digital signal beyond repair. At the barber shop, every time he turns on the clippers -- instead of just getting a little fuzzy, the screen will likely go blank.

    It should be an interesting day.

    --
    Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
  12. Analog TV had the best weather/emergency coverage by An+dochasac · · Score: 4, Informative

    During a weather emergency, the TV not the first place I go

    Unless you're driving, analog TV is (was) the best place to go for weather emergency info because:

    • Weather radar can quickly and visually indicate where the storm is, how fast its moving and in what direction. Anyone with a vague idea of where they live can see whether the worst is behind or ahead.
    • Neither NOAA nor commercial AM/FM stations can possibly give neighborhood granularity coverage fast enough.
    • Bad weather makes for good ratings so during hurricanes, tropical storms, supercell storms, tornadoes, you're likely to get good coverage from several stations, radar in the corner of the screen, text crawling across the bottom giving locale updates much faster than a radio stations 20 minute/hourly update cycle.
    • Because TV is a big profitable industry, a typical transmitter is much more powerful and has better coverage than a typical NOAA 162.xx MHz transmitter.
    • TV coverage during any storm is almost always better than AM/FM coverage

    for relevant information. Noaa.gov, weather.com, and/or a local AM "News and weather station" are my collective first choice.

    Static on analog AM (455-1600kHz) can tell you a thunderstorm is 50-100 miles away. Beyond that I'd say analog AM and FM radio is all but useless. The news cycles are too long, there are too many clear channel and autoDJ and syndicated stations. (I've been there, camping at 4:00a.m., emergency sirens come on, I scan the radio dial for information and here 1940s music, Art Bell, Industrial music and static...)

    NOAA transmitters are typical of heavy government, by time a weather event is verified enough to get into the update cycle, it has probably passed you. NOAA transmitters are pathetically weak and placed in locations where their line of sight coverage is abysmal. Cross any great lake and you're likely to pick up TV stations the whole way across but you won't pick up any NOAA station more than 10 miles offshore. (In my case not even this far because the nearest station was about 15 miles inland!) Try this, get one of those TV/weather radios (before tomorrow morning!) scan through the T.V. channels and if you are within 25 miles of a big city, you'll probably get some TV stations and if you hear a NOAA station at all, it will be very weak.

    Now here is the rub, not only is digital TV an all or nothing affair which has a wider area of 'perfect picture', but a much smaller area of 'usable picture', but to date there are no portable battery operated televisions capable of receiving a DTV signal. Yes you could run your DTV converter off an inverter, and someone has even created one which runs on half a dozen D batteries, but DTV decoding is computationally intensive which means it burns through batteries much faster than your Analog LCD TV. Gaps in weather and other emergency coverage will eventually be seen as one of the unintended consequences of the government mandated forced obsolescence of analog TV. A second unintended consequence is that millions of TVs will end up in landfills before their time because their owner is either out of DTV range, or he isn't technically savvy enough to hook up a converter. The third unintended consequence is that themanufacturers of new televisions will have a very good year. DTV was sold in the pre-internet days on the premise that it would provide jobs for EEs after the downsizing of NASA and the military. It has provided jobs, but unfortunately very few of these jobs have been within the U.S. And now we're stuck with "the worlds first DTV system" which was designed when MS Windows didn't even have a TCP stack and the 'web' consisted of a few dozen organizations, email and usenet. My point here being that after all of the money spent on DTV, it is within 5 years of being irrelevant thanks to youtube and similar video services and more efficient codecs.