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A Black Day For Internet Freedom In Germany

Several readers including erlehmann and tmk wrote to inform us about the dawning of Internet censorship in Germany under the usual guise of protecting the children. "This week, the two big political parties ruling Germany in a coalition held the final talks on their proposed Internet censorship scheme. DNS queries for sites on a list will be given fake answers that lead to a page with a stop sign. The list itself is maintained by the German federal police (Bundeskriminalamt). A protest movement has formed over the course of the last several months, and over 130K citizens have signed a petition protesting the law. Despite this, and despite criticism from all sides, the two parties sped up the process for the law to be signed on Thursday, June 18, 2009."

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  1. I know the feeling. by cyborch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We've had that in Denmark for years now. OpenDNS should be the solution to all of your problems...

    1. Re:I know the feeling. by ae1294 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We've had that in Denmark for years now. OpenDNS should be the solution to all of your problems...

      Do you really think that the government doesn't know about other DNS servers? I assure you there is some sort of plan and reason why they have not asked the ISP's to block or MASQ any request with a destination of 53.

      My simple guess is any request with a destination of 53 is logged and then resolved at some later time. A database of people who use these other servers is maintained and flags are included such as "pedophile, hacker, warez, terrorist, etc". This list then is used to help law enforcement and or they will just come and round all of you up one day.

      What's going to end up happening is someone is going to have to run a hacked all the hell bind server that takes encrypted requests on port 80 and replies back with your request which will then need to be cached locally so as not to totally hose your browsing. Then the government is going to start banning those server's IP addresses and someone is going to have to make a DNS resolver that runs in a distributed manner. Then the government will do something else, probably make it a huge crime to use any of this stuff and we will all be basically where we are now with copyright infringement which is to say that people don't respect that law and so all law becomes less respected. This is all the same as what happened in the 1930's US Prohibition of booze.

      "All of this has happened before, and it will happen again..."

  2. Gigaton Fail - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks like it's time for Germans to learn how to browse like the Chinese; Encryption, proxies, darknets, deep web crawling, and leaving as few traces behind as possible.

    For whatever naive reason I allowed myself to assume that Western Europe had finally begun to understand that police states are regressive and undesirable. Each passing day, it becomes clearer and clearer that realization has still yet to be made.

    1. Re:Gigaton Fail - by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Imagine if every single person in Iran thought that before they went outside.

      I'm just a white collar guy that works 9-5. People asked for proxy servers. People wanted help setting up proxy servers. I did what I could.

      I should have just watched American Idol.

  3. Mein Herr! by BigBlueOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before you get on ze net, ve neet to zee your papers. Your papers, bitte.

    First, switch to Open DNS, second, vote the bastards out. Keep voting the bastards out until you get your bastards in there.

    1. Re:Mein Herr! by nausea_malvarma · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What happens when the ballot looks like this:

      Please select the candidate of your choice

      • Bastard 1
      • Bastard 2
      • Bastard 3
  4. Re:Before we use the 'police state' meme again... by Repossessed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Censorship is *always* backed by the majority. Doesn't keep it from being a violation of human rights.

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  5. Re:Before we use the 'police state' meme again... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, that is exactly what Alexis de Tocqueville and John Stuart Mill warned about when they talked about the "Tyranny of the majority."

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    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  6. Re:Before we use the 'police state' meme again... by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Read TFA. This is not a 'police state' in the forming.

    Indeed not. When the police can decide what you are and aren't allowed to access on the Internet, the police state is already here.

  7. The real discouraging thing by Xelios · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real discouraging thing here isn't the law itself (though that'd be enough in and of itself), it's the fact that despite criticism from all sides, a huge petition, thousands of people writing their elected officials and several protests outside government buildings the law is still being passed. Hell I've even seen stickers protesting the proposed law at bus stops and train stations. The "Zensursula" stickers are everywhere around here. When your government flat out ignores these things what's left to do? Wait for the next election, elect some other party into the majority and hope they actually behave differently? Just seems like every year things get worse, no matter who's in office.

    One other fun fact, the ruling parties (the CDU and SPD) have already mentioned using this blacklist for other things too, mainly gambling sites, Islamic sites and "Killerspiele" (sites that contain or promote violent games).

    It all brings to mind that South Park baseball episode where Randy gets arrested, with one small difference, "Oh I'm sorry I thought this was a democracy".

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