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Weather Balloons To Provide Broadband In Africa

An anonymous reader writes "Two African entrepreneurs have secured exclusive access to market near-space technology — developed by Space Data, an American telecommunications company — throughout Africa. The technology raises hydrogen-filled weather balloons to 80,000 — 100,000 feet, which individuals contact via modems. The balloons, in turn, serve as satellite substitutes which can connect Africans to broadband Internet. 'Network operation centers are located close to a fiber optic cable — say, in Lagos or Accra — and a signal is sent back and forth to the [balloon] in near space,' says one of the entrepreneurs, Timothy Anyasi. The technology will also allow mobile phone operators to offer wireless modems to customers."

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  1. This will be nice by stoolpigeon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    to fill the gap until we get UAVs that can stay up for extended periods of time.

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    1. Re:This will be nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A weather balloon IS a UAV that can stay up for extended periods of time.

    2. Re:This will be nice by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do you want to over engineer things? A balloon is easy to make, cheap to make and can stay up for days.

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    3. Re:This will be nice by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These don't - they stay up for 24 hours. DARPA has people working on fixed wing aircraft that will stay up for months. That's not over engineering - that's much better than this.

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    4. Re:This will be nice by rcw-home · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember chemistry class and hydrogen balloons? Those were fun times.

      Honestly, I hope they use hydrogen for this. Helium is uniquely non-replaceable. It's the product of very slow alpha particle decay, trapped in natural gas fields and such. We'll eventually empty those natural gas fields. There are lots of other ways to make energy, and we can make natural gas if we need methane, specifically, for whatever reason. But we can't make helium except through nuclear fusion. Even then, if fusion delivered 100% of earth's electricity needs, it'd only create a small fraction of what we currently use per year.

      We'll always have plenty of hydrogen because it bonds to everything. Helium doesn't, so once you crack open that helium tank, it's just a matter of time until it floats off into space, where it's as good as gone.

    5. Re:This will be nice by evilviper · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why do you want to over engineer things? A balloon is easy to make, cheap to make and can stay up for days.

      Perhaps because: "The balloons come down every 24 hours due to the limitations of battery life -- and to keep them from floating into territories that don't subscribe to the service. "You're looking at a wide geographic area -- there's a wide jet stream at near space"

      BTW, you'll NEVER GUESS where that quote came from... NEVER!

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    6. Re:This will be nice by 2obvious4u · · Score: 2, Funny

      From the TFA? I wouldn't know I didn't read it...

    7. Re:This will be nice by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Informative

      The longer a balloon is up - the farther it is going to travel. Anything to change that will drive up costs. And switch around the comparison - so that it makes economic sense. What's the cost of an ultra-endurance airplane compared to a satellite?

      The Vulture program is aiming for an aircraft that can keep a 1,000 lb payload up for at least 5 years - over a designated area 99% of the time. That's further out - but it makes more sense than balloons for quite a few reasons.

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    8. Re:This will be nice by sdpuppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but I doubt if they use a significant amount of helium.
      How much do those ballons use?
      Compare to cooling down a NMR magnet, which consumes more than 1000 liters liquid ( > 700,000 liters gas).
      Sadly there is a helium shortage, not so much that we are hitting the point of end of resources (which will eventually come), but because not all the natural gas fields that could capture - are capturing helium.
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    9. Re:This will be nice by Carnildo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm waiting for someone to build a solar-powered, unmanned zeppelin. If you inflate it with hydrogen, you can maintain altitude by electrolyzing ballast water or by venting off excess hydrogen. A weather balloon might stay up for days; this could stay up for years.

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    10. Re:This will be nice by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 2, Funny

      people who are a lot smarter than I am have been working hard on this for a while.

      6.7 billion people are working on it?

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    11. Re:This will be nice by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see why they would have to cost much at all. We are not talking about combat drones here, we are talking about something that will basically go in a little circle-that's it. A big fat wing, covered with solar cells that run little electric motors and the broadband transceiver.

      With a predator you are talking about something that needs to be controlled half a world away, and can pick off targets from high altitude, those kinds of electronics ain't cheap. With this you probably would even need ANY remote piloting at all-just a simple program to go to x feet and go in a circle. So while the balloon would be cheaper at first, which even then may be debatable(what if somebody gets to the balloon before you? I bet the electronics package will sell for a nice price) but in the long run a "solar sailplane" would probably be more cost effective.

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    12. Re:This will be nice by synaptic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is it feasible/practical to create a vacuum for lift yet? Instead of inflating a balloon with helium, do the materials exist to evacuate the air in a "balloon-like structure" (any structure with a large volume) to displace the air in the atmosphere and float the device through natural buoyancy? It seems this could use ballasts to adjust the elevation and whatnot. Could solar cells power it?

    13. Re:This will be nice by rcw-home · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think anyone's done it yet, which of course isn't to say it can't be done. I think such a structure, if buildable, would be very costly and fragile (more so than any balloon).

      It would be easier if you were able to deploy it from its target altitude. Otherwise you have three conflicting requirements:

      1. That the entire thing (payload and all) be lighter than ~175 grams per cubic meter displacement (air density at 15000 meters)
      2. That it withstand pressures of 10000 kilograms force per square meter (sea level air pressure), or that the air can be pumped out slowly as the structure rises (but 175 grams/cubic meter density difference is still 1240 kg/m^2 of pressure difference)
      3. That it withstand wind deformation pressures (enough to handle ascent and gusts)

      Good luck!

    14. Re:This will be nice by rcw-home · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but I doubt if they use a significant amount of helium.

      You're right, it isn't very significant. I just hope the world starts treating it as if it were precious before it becomes very expensive. We've only been using helium for a century, but it would be quite a shame for all of its uses to be lost to future generations forever.

  2. They'll have these in England soon by ickleberry · · Score: 5, Funny

    but with CCTV cameras rather than broadband

    1. Re:They'll have these in England soon by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's the US company that getting exclusive rights to spy on broadband in Africa. At least your CCTV cameras are domestic...

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    2. Re:They'll have these in England soon by sdpuppy · · Score: 3, Funny
      Oh the humidity!

      Or maybe you're right - perhaps English gents use umbrellas all the time because of the floating cameras...

  3. Only one accessible site though by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 4, Funny

    weather.com

  4. Disaster? by arizwebfoot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So what happens then when these untethered balloons are floating up into the jet stream and a Airbus or 747 doesn't pick it up on radar and the damn thing floats right into the jet intake, causing an explosion and bringing down 400 souls to their death?

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    1. Re:Disaster? by jo42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When was the last time a passenger airplane flew at 80,000 to 100,000 feet?

    2. Re:Disaster? by 0x000000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      As I am not familiar with African law, just with FAA flight regulations here in the United States.

      Having been on a near space team (http://nearspace.0x58.com), and having launched two near space balloons, 92,999 ft, and 83,000 ft I can tell you that they pose no problems for jet liners. The balloons are big enough to be spotted by any pilot worth his salt, and they only stick around the altitude where jets fly in the first place for just a minute or so because they ascend so fast.

      Also, depending on the weight in the United States you have to file a NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) which gets distributed to all of the flight control towers, air traffic controllers and will also be distributed to pilots flying in the area you are planning on launching. Anything under 6 pounds you don't have to notify, but it is generally nice to do so as a courtesy. 12 pounds is the limit for amateur near space balloon launches. I have no experience with bigger near space payloads.

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    3. Re:Disaster? by TinFoilMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      When was the last time a passenger airplane flew at 80,000 to 100,000 feet?

      Yeah, but the balloons have to travel upwards through the same airspace that airlines and other aircraft travel through.

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    4. Re:Disaster? by T+Murphy · · Score: 4, Funny

      So what happens then when these untethered balloons are floating up into the jet stream and a Airbus or 747 doesn't pick it up on radar

      causing an explosion and bringing down 400 souls to their death

      Looks like you've answered your own question there. I just hope I'm not on that plane.

    5. Re:Disaster? by 0x000000 · · Score: 4, Informative

      At night all balloons are required to have a flashing light that is visible for up to 2 or 5 miles.

      So yes, at night as well.

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  5. first thought -- gonna need a really long tether! by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Funny

    Second thought -- Palm doesn't want anyone talking about tethers.

    Third thought after reading the article -- they're just releasing these balloons and letting them come down after a day in the air? Just hunting the damn things down will be a chore and a half. But this is precisely the market segment the UAV people were talking about. I think the name they were using was aerostat. Idea 1 is using a solar-powered aircraft to fly in U2 territory relaying data. Missions would last three or four months and then the plane is brought back down for maintenance. The idea is that the solar cells would charge during the day and the engines would operate off of batteries at night. The second idea is using some manner of unmanned dirigible where buoyancy is provided by hydrogen and the solar-powered engines are meant for station-keeping.

    I guess this is really a matter of economics -- I guess it's cheaper to hire a guy and a jeep and hand him a map versus paying millions for air vehicles that aren't in production yet?

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  6. Re:Untethered by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is quite possible that the balloon(i.e. the actual gas-filled bit) only costs $50; but I'd suspect that the equipment package hanging underneath it costs a good bit more, at least one factor of ten, quite possibly more. I say this because you can, just about, if your time is free, get an ordinary wifi router and a battery to suit rigged up for $50. I'd be absolutely shocked if you could get a proper, tested, setup for a reasonable number of users, with battery and GPS and radio(s) for $50.

  7. IRC by linuxg0d · · Score: 4, Funny

    [1131] Disconnected: Balloon Service Interrupted. Try again later.

  8. Near Space Balloon Launches by 0x000000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speaking from personal experience with the near space launches I have completed with a team (http://nearspace.0x58.com) located in Arizona, I hope they don't make the mistake of putting the GPS on the outside of the box. During our second balloon launch we launched closer to night so that we could attempt to get photo's of the sun setting (and boy did we succeed: http://nearspace.0x58.com/launches/CONNERY-2/pictures/Payload_Camera/).

    However what we had not counted on was the fact that the temperature would drop so low that the GPS would literally freeze and stop responding and completely shut off, until it got low enough, and warm enough again to turn on. We thought we had lost our package payload.

    Other than that, since the balloons are going to follow whatever winds they can find, how are they going to make sure that the area they want to service has a balloon above it at all times? What if the wind is going in the wrong direction? As for recovering the devices, will they be water proof? What if it lands in a lake, or body of water? What about high up on the mountain side somewhere?

    Definitely interesting and something to watch in the near future, if this is cheaper than launching a satellite and can be done in a sustainable method and still provide adequate phone service or other services using near space technology!

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  9. Redefining technology by T+Murphy · · Score: 3, Funny

    This could give a whole new meaning to "the internet is down". Of course when signing up you have to be wary when they advertise "high"-speed internet. I guess it should work fine though, given the cheap overhead. I just wish it wasn't only planned for parts of Africa, as it sounds like it will be above and beyond what we've got here in America.

  10. Re:really? by TorKlingberg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This may be news to you, but not everyone in Africa is starving.

  11. Solar cells by castrox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apparently the balloons need to be taken down daily to have their batteries recharched. I wonder, wouldn't 80,000-100,000 feet be mostly above cloud level and be an excellent opportunity to use solar cells?

    The balloons come down every 24 hours due to the limitations of battery life -- and to keep them from floating into territories that don't subscribe to the service.

    The drifting might be a tougher nut to crack though. Rather interesting idea for rural areas actually.

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    1. Re:Solar cells by Brett+Buck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you are going to bring them down after 24 hours for drift reasons, there's no reason to use solar cells - batteries are dead-nuts reliable and cheap.

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  12. good idea by GregNorc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When you take into a ccount that any time they try and lay fiber it gets stolen and sold for it's scrap value, this is a great idea. Less chance of the infrastructure being stolen/damaged.

  13. Re:Seriously? by T+Murphy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First of all, if they are seriously considering a commercial venture here, it implies there are enough well-off people to be served that it could be a viable business. Second, this will simply generate business, which means more cashflow, leading to more economic growth witin these countries. Not to mention poverty is commonly tied to low education and the internet is a powerful educational tool when used properly.

  14. Not sure by Stargoat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This seems like an awfully expensive solution. Does anyone remember Stratovision? It was too costly to keep a B-29 in the air 24/7 just to broadcast. Why should it be any different with disposable air balloons carrying easily lost technology?

    If God meant for cell towers to be attached to balloons, he would have, uh, err, done something different!

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  15. What happens? by DesScorp · · Score: 2, Funny

    So what happens then when these untethered balloons are floating up into the jet stream and a Airbus or 747 doesn't pick it up on radar and the damn thing floats right into the jet intake, causing an explosion and bringing down 400 souls to their death?

    More than likely? Thousands of customers below will go "Hey, who turned off the f*ckin' Internet?"

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  16. Previous Use of Radar Aerostats by tresho · · Score: 5, Informative

    The US has been using these along the southern border for years. They are tethered & fly at 15,000 feet and provide radar coverage along the border to interdict drug smuggling by air. They had problems with leaky balloons, and the need to ground them for maintenance, at which time they were vulnerable to bad weather on the surface. There were formal no-fly zones posted in their vicinity. Apparently there was no problem with aircraft running into them. I've driven along I-10 and occasionally have been able to see them in the air, they definitely look like hovering flying saucers.

  17. Yay! Nigeria will be covered. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have an important transaction in progress with someone in the ministry of finance. This will maybe help the transaction go smoother!

  18. Re:really? by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not only that but communication tools are vital to improving the livelihood of Africans. I've been working with an open source tool, Frontline SMS - it's already being used to do some amazing things.
     
    Rather than continuing to send cash and some food, which has thus far not really been much help - we can help build infrastructure that will give people more control over their own lives and the ability to improve their circumstances on their own.
     
    I saw a demo a couple weeks ago by some guys from a communications lab from a local university. They are building a system to provide educational materials via mobile phones - iphone and android right now. They've got grants to get androids on the ground in developing nations. The system can work completely via sms if necessary but an internet connection is better.
     
    There are some exciting things going on in tech in Africa and this is cool to see.

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  19. what is it? by binaryseraph · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Look its a bird!"

    "Its a plane!"

    "Uh its my ISP bro..."

  20. Cell towers already there.. by lazn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My parents live in Africa and get better cell coverage than I do here in the USA. They can drive from northern Zambia to the tip of South Africa and never lose signal.

    So Why not just use the existing Cell Towers to provide broadband?

  21. Re:neat by synaptic · · Score: 2, Informative

    Neat Idea, they should deploy these in rural america where verizon doesn't go and the comcast/at&t duopoly is fierce..

    I wish the only issues were a duopoly. In many areas of the US, high-speed, low-latency Internet access is simply unavailable.

    When it is available, the only current option is to spend $5-30k for telco "special construction charges" and $500+/month for a T1.

    Consumer level satellite options (WildBlue, Hughes) have really tight bandwidth quotas and latency of 1-2seconds. The quota on the $100/month WildBlue "Professional" tier is 17GB down/month (30-day rolling cycle) and 5GB up with a $400 dish/modem purchase. Hughes has several tiers but you're out $700 for the dish/modem and $120-$500/month depending on the speed and bandwidth quotas you need.

    Yet whenever any of these long-haul wireless and uav devices are discussed, the focus is on Africa. Why is that? I'll pay you the same or more than an African for the flexibility of living anywhere in the United States with a high-bandwidth, low-latency connection and I suspect a lot of other people would do so as well.

  22. Re:The only thing that will suck... by synaptic · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...will be the ping/lag. Like trying to play CPMA with someone in UAE.

    Well, better than nothing. :)

    The latency should be much, much better than current geosynchronous satellite options. I wouldn't expect balloon-based repeaters to have latency above 100ms. Compare that to WildBlue/Hughes with real-world latency of 1000-2500ms (they claim 500-750ms).