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AT&T's Bad Math Strikes MythBusters' Savage

etherlad writes "MythBusters' Adam Savage got a bill charging him $11,000 for 'a few hours' of Web surfing while in Canada, using his AT&T USB Mercury modem. AT&T gave him a quote on the data rate: '.015 cents, or a penny and a half, per kb.' Looks like AT&T didn't learn from Verizon's inability to do math. AT&T is also claiming Savage downloaded over 9 GB, which he calls 'frakking impossible.' Savage's huge following on twitter got him a speedy response by AT&T."

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  1. Soz this mean we get a cellphone special now? by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bust the all the myths that the companies quote about why they need to charge what they do, reliability, and especially that there is competition in the marketplace?

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    1. Re:Soz this mean we get a cellphone special now? by randomnote1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      lol...I don't think so. I think that everybody knows that myth is BUSTED!

    2. Re:Soz this mean we get a cellphone special now? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have seen this before - what is it about saying 0.02 cent when you mean 2 cent or 0.02 dollar?

      One time in science class, grade 10, we had to do something where we were given some basic info about an object made out of aluminum and the market cost of aluminum. We had to figure out the raw-material cost of the object, assuming no loss during construction. So we had to use our lessons on density and whatnot to figure out the exact mass of the object and then simply multiply by price.

      Problem is, most of us screwed up the ".02 cents per gram" (or whatever) part and did .02 dollars, so we were off by a factor of 100.

      Class response was... informative. The few observant students who got it looked smug. Some smacked their heads at missing that. A few were severely pissed that they got the question wrong over the one part of the question that had nothing to do with science. One got that part right but botched the density part of the problem. The underachievers were either confused by the whole thing or glad they didn't even try.

      And one guy... one guy spent ten minutes arguing with the teacher that .02 dollars and .02 cents were the same thing. Half a blackboard of diagrams later and she gave up trying to explain it.

      Now I know where that guy works.

  2. He should'a known... by clone53421 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ".015 cents, or a penny and a half"

    Let me guess... whichever is larger?

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    1. Re:He should'a known... by elashish14 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ok! Ok! I must have, I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. Shit. I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail.

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    2. Re:He should'a known... by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Its ok, you can take your agression out on the printer.

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    3. Re:He should'a known... by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, no, no... You do it like this!

    4. Re:He should'a known... by hattig · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is why call centre scripts should never use symbols, like "$1.50", or in this case "$0.015". They should explicitly write out what the person will say, i.e., "one dollar fifty", or "one point five cents". This is because people are incredibly stupid/prone to fluffing things up under stress, especially in a dull repetitive job dealing with annoyed customers.

      Anyway, 9 GB in a few hours eh? For casual web browsing? To get to 9 GB would require watching TEN HOURS of TWO MBIT video streams. I suspect YouTube is 500kbps so that's FORTY HOURS of YouTube. To consistently get two mbit on a 3G modem would be a miracle.

  3. Lucky for them by Wuhao · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not sure what a crowd of angry MythBusters fans would do, but I'm sure that it would involve large amounts of kinetic energy.

    1. Re:Lucky for them by rackserverdeals · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not the fans.

      You don't mess with people that blow stuff up for a living.

      Even if they're nerds.

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    2. Re:Lucky for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
  4. from the people who brought you this commercial... by starblazer · · Score: 5, Funny

    IDK MY BFF JILL DOZ MTH 4 ATT

  5. Celebrity status? by elashish14 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wish I could have a mass following behind me that I could use to blackmail evil corporations.... Instead, here I am just clicking away at every Microsoft ad I see hoping that it'll eventually rack up some respectable cost to them.

    -bitterness, sad face-

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    1. Re:Celebrity status? by hey! · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, when I was young, man moons ago, we used to have these things called "consumer protection laws". You could walk over to your phone and call a government hotline for help. Of course, you'd get a massive shock when you picked up the phone because of the electrostatic action of your polyester leisure suit, so I'd have to conclude that on the whole things aren't any better or worse than they used to be.

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    2. Re:Celebrity status? by Binestar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, he's got 55,000 and growing followers on twitter. In the last 7 hours he's sent out a dozen or so tweets. To 55,000 people. 25 cents (.25 dollars) per text == AT&T making a lot of money off Adam's outrage.

      He just got commision =)

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    3. Re:Celebrity status? by AbRASiON · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh America!
      Being charged money to RECEIVE SMS and phone calls, absoloutely apalling, my condolences. :(

      - The rest of the world.

  6. Re:from the people who brought you this commercial by PayPaI · · Score: 4, Funny

    Math? Myth? Meth?

  7. Let's not be cynical by unlametheweak · · Score: 5, Funny

    Savage's huge following on twitter got him a speedy response by AT&T."

    I'm sure the response would have been just as fast if he wasn't famous and wasn't using Twitter. These large companies have professional Human Resource departments to make sure that the customer service experience is good.

    1. Re:Let's not be cynical by somenickname · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot the part about him having in depth knowledge of explosives.

    2. Re:Let's not be cynical by memoryhole · · Score: 4, Funny

      The data carriers MUST stop thinking in kilobytes and start thinking in customers."

      Aaaaaah! Get out of my head! You're not allowed to think in me! ... why do I have a sudden urge to buy Lightspeed Briefs?

  8. Customer service? by RealGrouchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FTA:

    [AT&T] hasn't exactly been garnering positive reactions from its legions of Twitter-using members.

    I'd say. If their customer service is anything like cell phone companies up here, it probably takes more than 140 characters to navigate their phone tree to talk to a human!

    - RG>

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  9. these insane usage charges by arbiter1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    anyone else think those companies are crooks for charging per kilobyte like that is complete bull s(*@# ? just loading a damn web page like cnn.com is almost 1MB so that would be 1$

  10. First response... by Landshark17 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Upon seeing the bill I'm sure his first response was, "I reject your reality and replace it with my own!"

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    1. Re:First response... by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or Michael Jackson when they told him he was black.

      Or alive.

  11. Re:from the people who brought you this commercial by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Math busted.

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  12. Iran and AT&T vs. Twitter by corbettw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Two of the most powerful entities in the world are humbled by Twitter. Be afraid, be very, very afraid.

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  13. Re:Iran and AT&T vs. Twitter by taucross · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you're trying to divide and conquer, any communication is scary.

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  14. Re:Its 1.5 cents per KB by pushf+popf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    AT&T clearly states on their website its $0.015 which translates to 1.5 cents per KB.

    I've been around since data was shoveled through modems that were so slow that you could actually type faster than the modem could transfer, and data was sent dial-up over expensive long distance phone lines.

    And it was still cheaper than 1.5 cents/KB.

    Does AT&T send a free jar of Vaseline with each new contract?

  15. Is this really "only" a problem with a huge bill by failedlogic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This stuff always makes the headlines when the bill amounts to 1,000's of dollars. The real problem is that there are probably a constant stream of people being billed $5, $20, maybe $50 for the usage. When they pass it off and just pay it, then the company lines its pockets with easy money.

  16. Okay, I'll bite... by tehtrex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    9GB of data is 9,437,184 KB. The numbers don't add up.

    ".015 cents": 9,437,184 KB * $0.00015 = $1,415.5776
    "a penny and a half": 9,437,184 KB * $0.015 = $141,557.76

    Since the published data roaming rate in Canada is $0.015/KB, let's go with "a penny and a half".

    $11,000 of usage at $0.015/KB equals 733,333.33333333...KB or 716.145833MB.

    So not only do they not know the difference between a cent and a dollar, but their system for measuring data transfer is also off by a factor of ~12.87... unless they somehow billed him for .015 cents and then tacked on 10k in fees...

  17. .015 cents per kilobit by slashqwerty · · Score: 4, Informative

    Given the way the math works out I'm going to say it's .015 cents per kilobit. AT&T claims he used 9 gigabytes. That is 9,663,676,416 bytes = 9,437,184 kilobytes* = 77,309,411.328 kilobits. At .015 cents per kilobit it comes out to $11,596.41. The summary claims he was charged $11,000.

    * down with the kibi prefix!

  18. A Billing System Deficiency by carlzum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one should be held liable for outrageous bills like this. AT&T failed to put reasonable controls in their billing system so customers are alerted when there's an obvious technical error, unauthorized use, or a simple mistake. American Express says my credit line is unlimited, but if I try to spend $100k they will decline the purchase and contact me. If I had a history of paying $100k bills they may allow it. But AT&T allows an account that's never exceeded a few hundred dollars reach $11,000. We all know why, unlike American Express, AT&T doesn't incur $11,000 in expenses so they don't bother doing anything about it.

    It doesn't make any sense to me. Most people are unable to pay the bill, and anyone that can afford it has the resources to fight them. Either way, it generates a lot of bad PR and very little revenue. I'm surprised Apple hasn't put more pressure on them, these stories are frequently reported as "man receives $10,000 iPhone bill."

  19. Re:You're fucking stupid by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sir, you get one "fuck" per post for free on the Basic Slashdot PricePlan(tm) as you can see on page 2539 of your contract. We assumed from your post that you've decided to take advantage or automatic update process to the Slashdot Super High Enterprise Class Ultra Premium PricePlan(tm) as described in page 1845 of your contract. Yes, that is $199.99 per month plus sale tax and there's a $9599.99 plus sales tax service charge if you change to a plan with a lower monthly price in the first 48 months. Page 3453 of the contract. Well then your copy is updated. I've got the latest contract here, dated 29th of June. Yes 29th of June 2009. Um Sir, there's no need for that language ... Sir the audio quality on this line is kind of bad and I can't hear you very well, and I'll need to change to my headset. CLICK. BRRRR.

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  20. My favorite quotes from the article by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 4, Funny

    "nobody wants to mess with a man who blows things up for a living."