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Malcolm Gladwell Challenges the Idea of "Free"

An anonymous reader brings us another bump on the bumpy road of Chris Anderson's new book, Free: The Future of a Radical Price, which we discussed a week ago. Now the Times (UK) is reporting on a dustup between Anderson and Malcolm Gladwell, author of The Tipping Point, Blink, and Outliers. Recently Gladwell reviewed, or rather deconstructed, Anderson's book in the New Yorker. Anderson has responded with a blog post that addresses some, but by no means all, of Gladwell's criticisms, and The Times is inclined to award the match to Gladwell on points. Although their reviewer didn't notice that Gladwell, in setting up the idea of "Free" as a straw man, omitted a critical half of Stewart Brand's seminal quote.

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  1. Summary?! by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Summary, n.: a comprehensive and usually brief abstract, recapitulation, or compendium of previously stated facts or statements.

    That is exactly what this slashdot post isn't.

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    1. Re:Summary?! by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Editor, n: a perl script used to push a slashdot article to the frontpage "as is" or with random perturbations.

      kdawson.pl is widely acknowledged as the buggiest and least effective of these script.

    2. Re:Summary?! by overcaffein8d · · Score: 5, Funny

      or my mother's / sister's definition:

      summary (also summery), adj.: of or relating to the summer, esp. with clothes, e.g. yellow cotton dresses.

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    3. Re:Summary?! by BobMcD · · Score: 2, Funny

      This seemed like a riddle, but I think I can make this happen even outside of Kentucky...

      Father - Jim
      Mother - Martha
      Sister - Sally
      Brother - You

      A) Jim and Martha divorce.
      B) Martha marries a new man - Joe.
      C) Martha passes away.
      D) Joe marries Sally.

  2. 1 headline + 1 paragraph = nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could anyone understand that mess? Is this a book review? If I didn't know that "outliers" was a book, I'd be clicking past.

    1. Re:1 headline + 1 paragraph = nonsense by WaXHeLL · · Score: 2, Funny

      Glad to see we have editors who can't re-write a summary so that it actually means something to 99% of the people out there.

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  3. To be fair by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does Gladwell also have a problem with the Wikipedia articles that Anderson plagiarized for the book?

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  4. Information doesn't want to be free... by bennomatic · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...it just wants to be anthropomorphized.

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  5. Please, not Malcom Gladwell by DriedClexler · · Score: 2, Funny

    FACT: Chuck Norris is the only one who can read Malcom Gladwell without losing brain cells.

    But even he loses one.

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  6. Captain Obvious by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I love how this guy discovers the obvious and then gets people to buy his books. What is it? His hair cut fools people into thinking he is smart?

    1. Re:Captain Obvious by piojo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I love how this guy discovers the obvious and then gets people to buy his books.

      Well, his talent is that he can talk. His ideas aren't "obvious"; in fact, I sometimes doubt that he is correct. His books don't employ the level of rigor that Freakonomics, for example, uses. But he has interesting ideas and explains them well. That's why his books are best sellers.

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    2. Re:Captain Obvious by timeOday · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I like Gladwell's books because he selects a field and recaps the landmark studies (or anecdotes) in an interesting way. Granted, he then tries to make some over-arching argument, which is sometimes not too convincing. But IMHO he is an engaging reporter of others' research.

  7. The biggest point, in my opinion by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The biggest point, in my opinion, that Gladwell makes, is that you still need to find a way to make money. Both sides use the example of youtube, which gives away everything for free. However, they have infrastructure costs of somewhere around $300 million a year, which they haven't been able to cover with advertising. Will they be able to find a way to cover their costs, or not? I don't know the answer to that, maybe eventually.

    I think Anderson is kind of stumbling upon a point an MBA told me once, that given enough time, all new technology becomes a commodity. There are a dozen word processors you can choose from, a dozen different types computers, a dozen types of memory to choose from, hundreds of flash game sites (which are free, but 20 years ago people paid real money for games just like those). So for the most part, things will get sold for a little more than the cost to create them (the MBA then went on to tell me a number of different techniques to 'lock in' customers to your product: trapping users with file format was one, there were many other more devious methods, and Microsoft uses many of them. I don't underestimate quality MBAs anymore).

    What Anderson is saying is that more and more, marketers will use freeness to suck users in. This is actually common knowledge among marketers, they've been playing with 'free' for years, and they are really excited about it, and talk about it amongst themselves, and to anyone else who will listen. Basically Anderson is right.

    What Gladwell is saying is that you still need a way to cover your costs. Basically he is right as well.

    They are both right, and what's more, if you asked an MBA about this, they might wonder why you are arguing about such basic ideas. And if you ask nicely, they'll tell you tons more about things you never even thought of.

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    1. Re:The biggest point, in my opinion by Phurge · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Will Youtube be able to cover its costs? Probably not - but that's probably not the right level to look at the issue.
      Will Google as a whole be able to recoup value (financial or strategic) from Youtube? ..... well maybe, but I guess the jury is still out on that one too.

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    2. Re:The biggest point, in my opinion by mr_mischief · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are more specific questions about how they could gain value from YouTube. Will Google, which reportedly uses a homogeneous infrastructure for all of its apps, learn important and valuable lessons from hosting a popular high-bandwidth site on that infrastructure? Will they gain important mindshare in other markets because of it? Will they learn important rules about search, user interaction, or advertising markets which they can apply to other services they offer?

    3. Re:The biggest point, in my opinion by mugnyte · · Score: 2, Interesting

        Not true. You are considering only new hardware.

        However, not far from my house is a technology recycling warehouse. For some labor or a donation, you can pick up essentially free parts and build a machine of your liking. People use it for all kinds of projects, from PCs to hybrid microcontroller projects.

        Most of the new technology replaces something, pushing it into the used stream, then finally the waste stream. However, even outdated technology has uses. It's basically free and sits in a many of the nonprofit offices around me.

    4. Re:The biggest point, in my opinion by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yesterday my wife found out that her father may have cancer. She organised for a specialist to see him tomorrow. When she got home she asked me to find the location of his office. I found a pointer to a medical directory site with his details, okay. Then she asked me how to find that address so I went separately into google maps and searched for the address. Google gave me a nice sidebar with a list of businesses in the general area I was searching for including the doctor I had been previously googling.

      Now I am sure that my father in law's illness is worth at least a couple of grand to that doctor. Anything which tells google what is on my mind (say I searched youtube for CT scans of lymph nodes, a particular interest to me at the moment) helps them shake down that doctor for advertising money.

    5. Re:The biggest point, in my opinion by BlackSabbath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think people keep mistaking "free" for "Freedom". "free" quite literally means no price. "Freedom" means having the latitude to do certain things you want to do.

      If I understand the nature of something that I accept for "free" then I have consciously made a decision to spend whatever personal effort is required to extract some value out of this "free" thing. Does my effort make the thing less "free"? Presumably, I know what I'm doing and still think its worth the price of my personal effort. This decision could be made for numerous reasons:
      - I'm ignorant and naively think that "free" means no personal effort is required
      - weighing the "personal effort" cost vs the cost of the non-free alternative
      - weighing the "personal effort" cost vs future/indirect/other returns
      - personal satisfaction/growth/principles/other emotional driver
      Setting aside any possible naivete, the other reasons in my personal equation imply that despite a personal cost I still think "free" is worth it. This is irrespective of which side of the "free" offer I am on (provider/recipient).

      "Freedom" is similar to "free" in that most people accept that there is an embedded cost somewhere that they are prepared to pay e.g. my freedom to flail my fists ends at the tip of your nose. My freedom to spout on about freedom is codependent on your freedom to spout on about subjects I may find personally abhorrent. Even with those "costs", I still think "Freedom" is worth it.

      Your MBA friend is spot on - these are basic ideas. And the Times should be castigated for referring to these guys as "two of the world's leading thinkers".

    6. Re:The biggest point, in my opinion by Phurge · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well the way I see it, google thrives by keeping users within its ecosystem. Having users drives advertising. So as long as it keeps competitors out (by offering free products) then the adsense gravy train continues to roll on....

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    7. Re:The biggest point, in my opinion by cliffski · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is very true. Check out the web game 'civony' (now evony) it is advertised absolutely everywhere nd by all accounts has a huge numebr of people playing. the game is

      FREE FOREVER!

      Unless you actually want to 'get anywhere' in which case you need to pay to get this item, or pay for that ability, or pay for this feature, or pay for that feature...
      By the time you are done you might as well just have bought CIV IV or have signed up to play World of Warcraft.

      People are suckered in by 'free', but it never works. It's like that 'free financial advice' everyone got in the 80s. 'Free' because it was based on commission to financial services companies to push their products regardless of suitability.

      You get what you pay for.

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    8. Re:The biggest point, in my opinion by cliffski · · Score: 2, Funny

      you think google are happy to bin $300 million a year for a lesson on how to optimise bandwidth?

      google already have a shitload of user data and bandwidth stats.
      This just seems a crazy way to rationalise a huge money sink that has no long term profitability plan.

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    9. Re:The biggest point, in my opinion by cliffski · · Score: 2, Funny

      their biggest competitors are also online. I'm sure microsoft are glad of all these people who are so impressed by youtube they buy a new laptop pre-installed with vista.
      And its good news for Yahoo too. people can chat about youtube videos using yahoo messenger.

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  8. Re:My Time Isn't Free by EvanED · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hate every operating system, each for its own special reasons.

    Throwing your computer off the roof - Because your time isn't free

  9. Throwing your computer off the roof by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Throwing your computer off the roof - Because your time isn't free

    There are other reasons for throwing your computer off the roof. In the early days of Apple we had a little commercial system based on Apple Pascal that ran on a ][+. It was a true blivit in the classical sense, something sort of written that ran a part of the business until it couldn't anymore.

    When we took it to the roof of the building and threw it into the parking lot, someone remarked "That's the longest it's ever gone without a crash". We used 11/70's from that point until they couldn't do the job either, but they were too big to conveniently throw off the roof.

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  10. Malcom Gladwell is apparently a giant midget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    wikipedia:

    During his high school years, Gladwell was an outstanding middle distance runner and won the 1500m Midget Boys title at the 1978 Ontario High School championships

    1000 times taller than the average human and still classed as a midget?

  11. Matthew Yglesias' take by sphealey · · Score: 5, Informative

    Political analyst Matthew Yglesias over at CAP has a fairly good take on both the book and the review at the CAP web site.

    sPh

  12. Extended Summary by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Informative

    To try and make a long story short, but not too short:

    Malcolm Gladwell and Chris Anderson are, according to the Guardian newspaper, "Two of the world's leading thinkers". A title seemingly obtained from a long career of writing endless books about things no one really cares about, but everyone likes to have an opinion on.

    Andeson is the author of a book called, "Free: The Future of a Radical Price", in which he argued that in an age where terabyte drives can be had for less than $100 , and megabytes of data can be whizzed around the tubes in seconds, a story or articles or other pieces of data only a few kilobytes in size can only be worth, well, nothing.

    The spat began when , Gladwell, in his review of the book, became a bit, harsh, in his critques of Anderson, calling his arguments "pithy"(sic!) and "uncompromising", and generally regarded Anderson's arguments as lacking in substance(my word!).

    Unfortunately, this rather vicious assault came at a time when Anderson was recently caught plagiarising material, and worse from Wikipedia, so he must have felt a need to defend his intellectual honor from Gladwell's slights. He therefore promptly responded with am open letter titled "Dear Malcom: Why so threatened?"

    At this point everyone in the playground let out a collective "OOOUUUUHHHHHHHHH!!!" and someone was heard to yell "Fight!". Needless to say, this sort of hubbub is rarely seen in such great intellectual circles, and the social clubs are just brimming with gossip about the scandal.

    The Guardian, ever the vigilant reporter of great matters of state, has dutifully brought the matter to the attention of the greater public. In addition, their great commentator Murad Ahmed, has already declared that Gladwell "wins this one on points", which is certain to stir things up a bit.

    It's all so exciting! Wouldn't you agree?!

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    1. Re:Extended Summary by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Basing our economy on something that may or may not have any actual long-term value (depending whether nations play nice and protect each others' IP) is actually quite momentous.

      Forget long term. The real question facing is is whether intellectual property has any value whatsoever. While various arguments may have sufficed in bygone days, in the digital age it's hard to justify how something which has unlimited supply can still have a non zero price. As technology improves and it becomes trivial to copy and distribute movies and even vast databases, this question will only become more pointed.

      Personally, I think that we will need to sacrifice the idea of copyright protection for profit in order to protect the idea of copyright protection for moral purposes.

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    2. Re:Extended Summary by cliffski · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hope you live in china, or some other economy that actually has factories. Because if not, you just doomed your entire generation to depression-style unemployment.

      the USA is more dependent on IP than anywhere else on earth. I'm surprised to seeso many college educated US slashdot readers act so aggressively to devalue the one thing their economic future really does depend upon.

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    3. Re:Extended Summary by Razalhague · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a difference between "making money off IP" and "making money off producing IP".

    4. Re:Extended Summary by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm surprised to seeso many college educated US slashdot readers act so aggressively to devalue the one thing their economic future really does depend upon.

      I'm always surprised to see so many intelligent people talk about how the US economy is dependent on IP without seeing that as a problem. The devaluation of IP is a reality we're faced with, and insofar as we're relying on our ability to legislate artificially high prices and prop up obsolete business models to keep our economy afloat, we should all be terrified of what happens when all that fails.

  13. Hack vs. the Void by sam_handelman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Malcolm Gladwell is one of those people, not precisely stupid, but so shallow and lacking in insight that he makes Chris Anderson, who is simply a hack, look brilliant by comparison. Gladwell, lest we forget, specializes in gushing soft journalism pieces on people whom he has designated as "great". He's what I call a Mensa bottom feeder - he produces work for people who like to think about how smart they are, which is not how actually-smart people spend their time.

      Gladwell wouldn't know what to do with an actual idea if he had one (I envisage a dog with a great piece of artwork, sort of chewing on it.) Now, Anderson's piece is competent hackery, which is better than most people could do I don't mean this critically, but something about it intersects with the sort of faux-highbrow pablum that Gladwell thinks he understands. This is very threatning to Gladwell - going back to the dog analogy, it's like he's got some glimpse of a world of ideas and there's a threat to him there that he can't really understand. Gladwell is getting good money to stick his nose up Bill Gates' behind and there's an army of other dogs willing to do that for free. So he lashes out in a rage, and since he can dimly percieve Anderson (but not the more interesting and provocative people whose work Anderson has extended), Anderson becomes his target.

      Again, I have nothing against a competent hack. But I do have some real criticism for Anderson - seriously, you admire Gladwell?

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    1. Re:Hack vs. the Void by Martian_Kyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't admire gladwell, but tipping point was an interesting read. Not brilliant, but it felt like an interesting conversation with a friend who had one of those crazy but interesting ideas. It made interesting observations, but made a conclusions I didn't entirely agree with. However it made me think and look up things, people and ideas.

      What bothers me about your post is that it says nothing. You have two paragraphs of cynicism, with typical array of cynical adjective: 'Mensa bottom feeder', 'Hack', 'Soft journalism'.... You know, being cynical doesn't make you wise.

      I haven't read Anderson. However I don't understand people's problem with someone having an idea. Gladwell has ideas, he tries to put them together. Are they a bit dan brownish at times, yes. He is however doing something constructive and entertaining to read. And inspiring. He inspires people to write even if to prove him wrong. Progress in science and progress in general depends on going down the wrong paths as much as on going down the right ones. Gladwell helps the whole process of progress even if it's by writing things that turn out to be wrong.

      Cynical people on other hand don't do much just stand on the sidelines screaming "You're stupid!". They offer no alternate answer or make effort to do anything, but glorify their passivity as wisdom.

      In general I am bothered by people's binary opinions. Someone's either a genius or hack, without anything in between. In some people's minds apparently one wrong opinion makes all your other opinions and achievement worthless. I bet someone will find a grammatical error or typo in this post and use that as an argument that everything I sad is wrong.

    2. Re:Hack vs. the Void by cliffski · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well I and millions of others who have bought all his books find him an entertaining and informative writer.
      You don't sell millions and millions of books by not being able to write. Especially if you have no celebrity background and are known purely as a writer.
      It sounds like he doesn't write to your tastes. JK Rowling doesn't write to mine, but I know she is an excellent author. It's not mass random stupidity that makes people buy these books, their tastes are just not the same as yours.

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  14. Not a book review by lyinhart · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, this is not a book review. And yes, in his books Gladwell does state the "obvious" and isn't always on point with his assertions. But in this critique of Anderson's ideas, Gladwell makes his point with one phrase: Free: The Future of a Radical Price (Hyperion; $26.99) Yes, for all of Anderson's extolling of the virtues of free content, he's still selling his book for money.

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  15. Re:The New York Times by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's funny. Paying $15 for a drink would make you a laughingstock in the social circles I run in.

    Sing it with me now!!
    "'Cause I've got friends in low places
    Where the whiskey drowns
    And the beer chases my blues away
    And I'll be okay
    I'm not big on social graces
    Think I'll slip on down to the oasis
    Oh, I've got friends in low places

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  16. Re:In the spirit of the article... by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm tempted to reply " ... and Windows is the OS for people to stupid to figure out Linux", but I'm not feeling quite that snarky at the moment. Honestly, folks, Linux isn't that difficult.

    If you happen to happen to favor Windows, fine, so be it. Just don't assume that Linux is as hard for everyone else as it is for you.

    FWIW, I just spent a chunk of this past weekend working on a friend's Win XP box, removing viruses and trojans, editing useless, orphaned crap out of the registry, minimizing the amount of crap launched at system startup, and various other tuning and tweaking. Say what you will about the time to run a Linux box, but I've never had to devote that much time to getting any kind of *nix system un-fubarred, and I've worked on more than a few.

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  17. Matthew Yglesias' take: Summary by cmholm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Damn, you beat me to it. To your link, I'll add the abstract of his post:

    Where Anderson goes off the rails is his suggestion that the "give it away" business model is actually a promising business model.

    Competition is good for customers because it destroys profits. The way you make real money is by getting into situations where you're insulated from competition. Meanwhile, as market sectors turn to a Free business model, they're just going to become way less lucrative.

    Example: YouTube loses money. But since Google as a whole can easily afford to cover YouTube's losses, it's hard to see Google management shutting down a market-leader. As the underlying technology gets cheaper the scale of the losses should get smaller, making it ever-more-realistic to run the business at a loss and thus ever-less-likely that a pay-to-play vendor can move in and charge monopoly rents.

    That's the real lesson of Free. The combination of competition, the near-zero marginal cost of production, and the customer draw of zero pricing means that the market-leader in video is bound to lose money. To win the market, you need to make your product Free. But while your marginal cost is near-zero, it's not actually zero, so you're losing money.

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  18. YouTube does not have to make money by brunes69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is common knowledge that has been confirmed by various higher-ups at Google over the past few years, that as far as Google is concerned, "What is good for The Web, is good for Google". Google spends hundreds of millions per year on various free giveaways that it will not now or probably ever recoup costs on - things like Chrome, supporting Firefox, YouTube, etc.

    Why does it do this? Because the more people utilize the web, the more it becomes the center of their daily lives, they more they will rely on Google as the librarian of all of that knowledge - which means they will get more money from their ads.

    Google does not have to make money any project it launches, as long as whatever it is doing is going to cause you to use the web more in one way or another, because they know if you are using the web, then you are probably going to be searching it with Google.com.

  19. Re:Is the real story ego? by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My take is that Gladwell is post-peak and he knows it.

    Give him a little bit of credit, at least try to address his arguments.

    They're both rather accomplished bullshit-pop-sociology writers, but the real disagreement has a lot to do with their style. Anderson is like Tom Friedman and Ray Kurtzweil, in that he is a messianic This Is The Future pop philosopher-type, and tends to construct his argument around absolute, theoretical propositions, and asserts his case as if it were inescapable physical law. He writes like an Austrian Economist or a Straussian. He is a structuralist.

    Gladwell is the skeptic. All of his books have mainly focused on picking-apart the assumptions of structuralists; you think entrepreneurs are the movers in an economy, he puts up 10 reasons why it isn't so simple. You think hockey teams always select the best roster of players? Outliers is about how social institutions are highly irrational in identifying the successful. You think people make rational decisions at all? He wrote a book called Blink where he calls it all into question.

    I'm not saying he's right, it's just his MO. When he sees a book like Free, that makes Big Important Statements about How All Of Us Order Our Lives, it's bait to someone like him.

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  20. Spelling Nazi warning... by zooblethorpe · · Score: 2, Informative

    You mean those fancy clubs that would never allow Cretans like us to bask in the glowing light of their intellectual presence?

    Oh, you're from Crete? I'm not, so I suppose I must be allowed into the fancy clubs... :-)

    I think the word you're probably looking for is "cretin", i.e. "a stupid, vulgar, or insensitive person : clod, lout" (Merriam-Webster). "Cretan", properly capitalized to boot as it is in your comment, means "someone from Crete".

    But if you are indeed a Cretan, then I suppose I must be a cretin. Doh!

    Cheers,

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  21. Old news. by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is pretty much where this debate was during the IT bubble 10 years ago. Everyone was wondering how all the .coms were planning on making money when everything they sold was "free."

    Of course, those services that truly were free didn't last, and those that actually weren't free and had many strings attached didn't last either, except the latter pissed a lot of people off in the process. Some managed to IPO and raise money successfully, but raising money and making money are different things, and in the end everyone lost except those who knew when to get out.

    They should require by law that every company disclose how they make their money and how they cover their costs. This used to be obvious. Only recently has this become convoluted with all the "innovation" in the financial sector and with contracts. They should also require "simple commerce" without any non-upfront, opt-out type of fees.

    Manipulation is not innovation. It is manipulation.