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Best Mouse For Programming?

LosManos writes "Which is the best programming mouse? Mandatory musts are wireless, and that it doesn't clog up like old mechanical mice. Present personal preferences are for: lots of buttons, since if I have moved my hand away from the keyboard I can at least do something more than move the pointer; sturdy feeling; not too light, so it doesn't move around by me accidentally looking at it." What would you recommend?

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  1. Mouse? by gameboyhippo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since when can you use a mouse in Emacs or VI?

    1. Re:Mouse? by leetrout · · Score: 3, Funny

      I got all excited thinking I was going to get a first post with "You don't need a mouse for Emacs". Great minds... ;)

    2. Re:Mouse? by Java+Pimp · · Score: 5, Funny

      I got all excited thinking I was going to get a first post with "You don't need a mouse for VI". Great minds... ;)

      There, fixed that for you.

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    3. Re:Mouse? by Whorhay · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hazaa!

      My preference is actually to corded laser mice. I've had a couple cordless ones and they always felt too heavy for my tastes. And when the batteries start to go it's always frustrating to have to stop whatever I am doing to go find fresh ones. I also happen to prefer the five button mice, the mouse-wheel button rarely ever gets used but at times it's made for a great "boss button".

    4. Re:Mouse? by zr-rifle · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since the dawn of gpm...

      Not everybody uses Emacs or VI, and some prefer GVim, which fully supports the mouse.

      For some kind of activities, such as the highlighting of square blocks of text, the mouse is faster and more efficient that the keyboard.

      Obviously, for everything else you should memorize key shortcuts.

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    5. Re:Mouse? by Fatalv · · Score: 5, Funny

      I use a mouse in emacs and vi. I found a 9 button mouse and bought 12 of them. I now have xmodmap setup so that I can simulate all 108 keys of the keyboard. I rarely even touch the thing anymore!

    6. Re:Mouse? by psnyder · · Score: 5, Informative
      There's a very good summary explaining why learning vi/vim is well worth the steep learning curve, entitled: Why, oh WHY, do those #?@! nutheads use vi?.

      ... with vi, your keyboard becomes a huge specialized text-editing gamepad with almost a hundred buttons. Each of them has at least two functions, shifted and unshifted, so you have almost two hundred functions at a single keypress (not counting Shift).

    7. Re:Mouse? by kk49 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I got all excited thinking I was going to get a first post with "You don't need a mouse for cat". Great minds... ;)

      There, fixed that for you.

      There, fixed that for you.

      There, fixed that for you.

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    8. Re:Mouse? by JonLatane · · Score: 4, Funny

      But if you don't have a mouse when you're using vi, what will you throw when you realize you just destroyed your file because you were in the wrong "mode?"

    9. Re:Mouse? by FiveDozenWhales · · Score: 3, Informative

      "u"

    10. Re:Mouse? by Neil+Hodges · · Score: 4, Funny

      I got all excited thinking I was going to get a first post with "You don't need a mouse for butterflies". Great minds... ;)

      There, fixed that for you.

      There, fixed that for you.

      There, fixed that for you.

      There, fixed that for you.

    11. Re:Mouse? by Macman408 · · Score: 5, Funny

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      There, fixed that for you.

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      There, fixed that for everybody else.

    12. Re:Mouse? by Z34107 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I second the logitech G5. They're cheap, I love the adjustable weights, and just enough buttons for my taste. Middle-click for opening and closing tabs, and two side buttons for forward and back.

      But, mousing in an IDE? Even in Visual Studio, the only button that gets any use is the left mouse button, and maybe the middle-click scrollwheel button for opening and closing tabs. Everything has a keyboard shortcut.

      I'd recommend a good keyboard instead - I have an IBM Model M I whip on for nostalgia, but I'm very happy with my Das Keyboard II. THAT will make more difference in programming! Unless you're using Lego Mindstorms :P

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    13. Re:Mouse? by pavon · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just bought a three button mouse, put in on the floor, and mapped Ctrl, Meta, and Alt to them. Works great for Emacs, although my doctor said I'm the first case of Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome he has ever seen.

    14. Re:Mouse? by dintech · · Score: 3, Funny

      it doesn't move around by me accidentally looking at it.

      He should spend less time being displeased with his mouse and more time experimenting with his new-found telekinesis.

  2. KVM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've found most KVMs make it so my wireless input devices don't work. :(

  3. Programming + Mouse ? by DriedClexler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't this kind of like asking, "What are the best training wheels to use on the Tour de France?"

    Elite programmers should be using an environment where they don't have to use the mouse at all, or use it minimally. They know key commands for everything, except maybe when you want to test out a mouse feature, in which case you can't assume the user has a cool mouse anyway.

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    1. Re:Programming + Mouse ? by idontgno · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Good non-car analogy" is to "Slashdot" as "Programming" is to "battered deep-fried origami"

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    2. Re:Programming + Mouse ? by rm999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Elite programmers should be using an environment where they don't have to use the mouse at all"

      Programming is 90% thinking/planning, and 10% typing. The idea that using a mouse makes you a worse programmer in any appreciable sense is about as stupid as the idea that the mouse you use matters.

  4. IBM Trackpoint by bvanheu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I use a keyboard with an IBM trackpoint so i don't keep moving my right hand between keyboard and mouse. It takes a little to get used to it, but it worth the try! http://www.pc.ibm.com/ww/healthycomputing/trkpnt.html

  5. Wireless? You've already ruled me out by mdarksbane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries, recharging, or waiting for the mouse to make up from sleep on anything as core to my workflow as a mouse.

    Personally I think that any good gaming mouse works well for coding. You've got your extra buttons (which mostly just give you an extra forward/back in your browser) and good accuracy. I'm a fan of my Razer Diamondback, although by this point the grippy paint they put on it is coming off so it looks a bit shabby.

    I would say with 100 certainty that your keyboard is ten times more important than your mouse for programming. The mouse just has to not get in your way.

    1. Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out by IsaacD · · Score: 5, Funny

      I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries, recharging...

      but if the electricity is out, you can't use your mouse!

  6. Logitech MX1100 by Swizec · · Score: 3, Informative

    There simply isn't a better mouse in the world. All the fancy X11/Compiz shortcuts you actually need can go on it, rechargable batteries, easy to move and most of all, incredibly ergonomic.

    Plus that endless scroll feature is perfect for grokking long walls of code.

  7. Logitech MX Revolution by Kamokazi · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wireless with built in rechargable battery that lasts several days easily for me. Lots of buttons, the scroll wheel is very nice, you can keep it in standard click mode, or use free scrolling, or toggle between the two easily; automatically or manually.

    Fully programmable with lots of buttons, forward/back, and the cool thumb quick flip thing.

    It contours very well in the hand, and I really like the extra lip under the thumb. It has some nice weight to it, but it's not too heavy to be tiresome. Overall it's the best mouse I've every owned.

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    1. Re:Logitech MX Revolution by Zakabog · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have an MX Revolution as well and I was about to post the same comment. I love the free scrolling mode when I'm searching for something in my code. Just give it a spin and stop when I see what I'm looking for. Plus when I'm not at the computer I just put the mouse back in the charging dock, the batteries haven't died on me once in the entire time I've owned the mouse (bought it when it was first released.) Plus it's the best mouse I've ever used for graphic work, it has a nice weight to it to give me precise control over my movements, it's very accurate and doesn't jam up like a ball mouse, and there's no wire hindering my movements (getting stuck on things, pushing against the mouse, going over the mousepad and blocking my hand, etc.)

  8. Hack the Gibson! by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    I do all my programming by floating through a giant VR simulation of the computer's memory with various bits of code randomly located in countless giant towers. I don't see why you would need a "mouse" for such a thing.

  9. Suggestions by pantherace · · Score: 3, Informative

    First of all, I'd suggest not wireless if you are worried about it 'moving' around with you not looking. Almost any wireless mouse I've used does that sometimes, with the exception of Gyration. (Microsoft, Logitech, and several off brands) Second of all, if you want sturdy feeling, you might go for one of the cases based on the Logitech mx500 (including the G5) or some of the similarly shaped Microsoft mice. (Unless you are left-handed.) The Logitech mx518 I'm using has at least 3 buttons which can be mapped to something useful. (Intended as forward, back, and app-switch. I think you can remap the +/- resolution buttons, but I haven't bothered)

  10. Re:Why wireless? by eln · · Score: 3, Informative

    I had a Kensington wireless mouse that you could charge while you were using it through a simple USB cable. I thought it was great because I didn't have to worry about putting it in some silly dock and wait every time I forgot to charge it and it went dead on me.

    Of course, it didn't take long before I just started using it plugged in all the time, giving me an overly expensive wired mouse.

  11. Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse? by MpVpRb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have been programming since 1971.

    Back them I used punch cards.

    Then, teletypes.

    Now, I use a mouse and keyboard.

    I definitely consider myself a "real" programmer.

    Times change, so do tools.

  12. Are you bored? by iamapizza · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quite possibly the worst ask-slashdot question ever. While we're at it, let's also discuss the best mousepad for programming as well as the best type of wood for desks for programming.

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    1. Re:Are you bored? by Joe+U · · Score: 5, Funny

      While we're at it, let's also discuss the best mousepad for programming

      That would be my Windows Vista mousepad that I got at the Vista launch party. It features desk grippyness and mouse paddyness, and a giant windows logo, so I never get tempted to install Linux.

  13. A keyboard by Rix · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're welcome.

  14. Best mouse operation for programming by ciurana · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Howdy.

    While taste in mice and features vary, one thing I would vouch for, if you're right handed and have a full keyboard, is to learn to use your mouse with your left hand. I worked with Gene Korienek in the early 1990s and we discussed how to optimize mouse motion. Since the page navigation, Return key, and numeric pad are all on your right side, using your mouse with your left hand will make you more effective for some activities such as using spreadsheets, Photoshop, web surfing, etc. I went "mouse southpaw" since then -- super-comfortable.

    Now... for programming I use MacVim and a number of plug-ins and extensions. When I'm programming, unless it's something that's got a GUI or it's iPhone/Mac specific, I seldom use the mouse. One of the biggest advantages of using a keyboard instead of a mouse is sensory memory. There are actions in Vim (and possibly TextMate, emacs, etc.) that you can execute automatically, without thinking about the exact key press sequence, and without having to lift your hands off the keyboard. Check into any of these editors, add the appropriate plug-ins (e.g. "UNIX is my IDE") and see what works best for you. I went from keyboard-only (TurboPascal, Turbo C, vi/UNIX) to GUI IDE (Smalltalk/V, Symantec Cafe, Visual Studio, IDEA) back to keyboard-only for most programming tasks. Now my coding is split between keyboard-only (scripting, Java, C, assembler) and GUI/mouse for only a few environments that leave you no other option (Xcode/Interface Builder).

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  15. Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse? by immakiku · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While mildly funny, this reeks of elitism and untruth. You are associating memorization of esoteric editor commands and customization options with programming skill. While there's likely a good correlation, one can have one without the other.

    On a separate note, modern IDEs, such as Eclipse, require the use of the mouse. I would argue that this streamlines the coding process, leaving the developer to focus on the actual design and logic.

  16. Agreed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Logitech MX-518 is the best gaming mouse I've ever used. High precision, no drift, works great on a variety of surfaces.

    When I showed up for my first day of a programming job a few years ago (at a game development company), guess what mouse was plugged into my machine? Yep, an MX-518.

    I have one at home, one at work and I've always been more satisfied with them.

  17. Why a mouse? by Niris · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't get why you would need a mouse for programming.. programming languages are typed, no?

    1. Re:Why a mouse? by ogl_codemonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Indeed, but you may need a more robust keyboard for the strongly-typed ones.

  18. Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse? by MpVpRb · · Score: 4, Informative
    Uh...

    Scroll wheel

    Scroll bars

    Select for cut/copy and paste

    Menu options

    Setting and going to bookmarks

    Navigating the various browsers and dropdowns

    Hovering over a variable in the debugger to see its value

    Many more..

    Yes...they all probably have keyboard equivalents, I just consider them awkward workarounds.

    Remember, you can pound in a screw with a wrench if you really want to...

    A mouse is sometimes the right tool for the job

  19. Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's what I was thinking: "A mouse for programming, WTF?"

    The best mouse I have ever owned is my Logitech MX518. Previously I was a big fan of the regular Microsoft ball mice. I am a "twitch" gamer so I value high performance and accurate mice. Anyway, back to the MX518. As it's optical it never "clogs up" and it's wired so it always works 100% of the time with no batteries and no matter what interference is around. It has a variable sensitivity right in the mouse (no software needed) and has a high sample high for quick movement.

  20. Well this answered mt ask slashdot question by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was going to ask:
    "What question can I ask that so lame as to be pointless, and will still enrage enough people to cause a flamewar?"

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