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Hackers' Next Target — Your Brain?

Hugh Pickens writes "Wired reports that as neural devices become more complicated — and go wireless — some scientists say the risks of 'brain hacking' should be taken seriously. '"Neural devices are innovating at an extremely rapid rate and hold tremendous promise for the future," said computer security expert Tadayoshi Kohno of the University of Washington. "But if we don't start paying attention to security, we're worried that we might find ourselves in five or 10 years saying we've made a big mistake."' For example, the next generation of implantable devices to control prosthetic limbs will likely include wireless controls that allow physicians to remotely adjust settings on the machine. If neural engineers don't build in security features such as encryption and access control, an attacker could hijack the device and take over the robotic limb." Relatedly, several users have written to tell us that science may be closer to the science fiction "mind wipe" than previously thought. Put this all together and I welcome the next step in social networking; letting the cloud drive my limbs around town via a live webcam and then wiping the memory from my brain. Who has MyLimb.com parked and is willing to deal?

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  1. Encryption by T+Murphy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Go insane. It's the new encryption.

    1. Re:Encryption by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 4, Funny

      Forget that, I'm going to copy my brain and run it in a VM.

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  2. Suddenly a Tinfoil hat seems like common sense. by tjstork · · Score: 3, Funny

    Goddamned, the unintended consequence of techonological evolution is that it makes every conspiracy theory ultimately more likely to do in the future.

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  3. a risk I'm willing to take by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Funny

    If it means that in the future our government will employ cyber-babes in ridiculous fuck-me outfits to fight crime.

    (Still finding it ridiculous that the Major was essentially wearing a one-piece bathing suit and leather jacket as her uniform in the GITS tv series.)

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  4. Re:No... not buying this at all by kannibal_klown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Okay, this only holds true IF we are truly biological machines with advanced programming. If we actually do have a soul, then this whole idea goes out the window (and a whole lot of other, much bigger problems come in).

    I don't see how the soul comes into play here.

    Correct me if I'm wrong (I have ZERO medical background), but throughout the years there have been examples of conditioned responses and hypnotism. Then there is shock therapy and some drugs to help wipe some thoughts and memories, and let's not forget about sleepwalking and sleepdriving.

    If a person gets amnesia, does that mean the soul has left the body?
    If a person sleepwalks due to a personal problem or a medication reaction, does that mean during that time there is no soul?
    etc

    Given enough time and advancement, who's to say that in 100 years that either a combination of the above couldn't take control of a person and wipe their memory afterwards. Especially once we start wiring hackable devices into our nervous system.

  5. Re:Spam by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think this was put in as colour in one of Neal Stephenson's novels (I think it was the Diamond Age) ; aha

    Bud knew a guy like that who'd somehow gotten infected with a meme that ran advertisements for roach motels, in Hindi, superimposed on the bottom right-hand corner of his visual field, twenty-four hours a day, until the guy whacked himself.

  6. Don't need electronics to hack someones brain by tchuladdiass · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Someone at work mentioned to me recently that it will be a scary day when someone can program your brain. Well I've already seen it happen. My local Walmart is in sort of a high-risk part of town, so the "greeters" will ask to see your receipt if you have any bulk items in your cart that aren't in bags. So people get used to having their receipt handy when they walk out the door. Now yesterday it was kind of busy, and one greeter to check receipts. Guess what I saw? A line of about 10 people waiting to show their receipt before leaving the store. Meanwhile I push my cart right around them (I've already waited in line for 25 minutes just to pay, I'm not going to wait again to leave the store). It appears that those in line were robots that have been programmed (conditioned) so much that they couldn't think of leaving without waiting to show their receipt. Keep in mind that there is not sign saying you have to show your receipt.

    1. Re:Don't need electronics to hack someones brain by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nope, they can't. The question, "can I look in your bag?"

      is replied, at least by myself, with, "are you a police officer with a warrant?"

      I've worked retail. You can't catch good shoplifters. You just have to let them go, focus on the paying customers, and accept the losses as the cost of doing business.

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    2. Re:Don't need electronics to hack someones brain by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "You remember incorrectly. The purpose of receipts is so that they can verify that you have purchased the merchandise in your cart on exiting the store. Forcing you to do so before exiting is rather draconian, but they have every right to do so, should they choose."

      Actually, they do not.

      Only in a few states do the stores have some limited rights to detain you, and that is ONLY if they suspect you have shoplifted something, and they had better make damned they know you have or you can sue them pretty badly.

      I don't put up with that receipt thing anywhere, with the exception of Sam's Club. I do believe I signed on the membership agreement (private club) that I would allow this. But any other public place, even if they post a sign on the store saying this policy, does not give them the right to stop you if you are not under suspicion of theft.

      I walked out of Guitar Center awhile back, and the kid was almost coming after me "I have to check your receipt"...etc. I just kept walking and over my shoulder said, "No you do not, unless you suspect me of stealing something"...and with that said, he quickly shut up and went back inside. I wasn't a smartass about it, just calmly stated the facts and went about my way.

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  7. Re:Here's a question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    on the other hand, you would be reprogrammed periodically to think that bigfoot was hot.

    Of course bigfoot is hot - have you ever been inside out of those costumes?

  8. Re:Raise your hand by Megahard · · Score: 3, Funny

    While mylimb.com is parked, mydick.com is available. Many guys already claim that their dick has a mind of its own.

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  9. Future FUD Fantastic by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Realistically, how hard would it be to include an OFF switch on the external interface used for doctor diagnostics?

    I mean, for pete sake people, what possible gain would there be in trying to break into a mechanical leg?

    Can you take any part of that to the bank? There is no money to follow. There is no information to gain.

    Do you see anyone hacking your IP Oven, or you IP Coffee maker? http://workingmomwa.blogspot.com/2008/06/coffee-maker-needs-security-update.html

    How does an interface to a prosthetic limb somehow suggest a "mine whipe". Does my pedicure predict a lobotomy?

    Come on, people. There is some fool snickering somewhere that the drunken brainstorm he posted somewhere has actually morphed into a story on Slashdot.

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    1. Re:Future FUD Fantastic by MrMista_B · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What money is there in vandalism? None.

      The answer of your question of why anybody would do this: because they can.

    2. Re:Future FUD Fantastic by hamburgler007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can also ask why someone would post flashing images to the epilepsy foundations website http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/29/hackers-embed-flashing-animations-on-epilepsy-support-forum/.

    3. Re:Future FUD Fantastic by euxneks · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I mean, for pete sake people, what possible gain would there be in trying to break into a mechanical leg?

      Notoriety..?
      "Oh, that guy, he's the one designed that prosthetic limb worm... You know, the virus that made prosthetic limbs wiggle around?"

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  10. Re:No... not buying this at all by brkello · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the soul was all that mattered, then if we smacked our head really hard and our brain was damaged, it would have no effect on our behavior. But we know that people with brain damage are severely impaired both physically and mentally. So if you can disrupt the impulses in the brain you could shut down a human. If you can control the impulses, you can control the human.

    I am not saying people can't have souls, I am just saying the soul doesn't control our body.

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  11. Re:No... not buying this at all by Vestin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    please define 'soul'

    It would be hard to do per genus proximum et differentia specifica... Let me just say that it's what creates time and space, enables you to make choices (free will) and controls the body via the brain.
    Some people (like Dawkins, IIRC) like to say that the brain is an on-board computer, of sorts, for the body. It's a great analogy, because a computer is blind and inert without someone to either operate it or program it. The soul is the "user", what you experience is the "software", your body is the "hardware".

  12. Re:No... not buying this at all by zoips · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I find it interesting that you are so easily able to deny that something could not possibly be self-aware without a soul. Do you have any proof, any at all beyond hopes and dreams? Many modern philosophic theories of consciousness eliminate the necessity of the Cartesian theatre (I find Dennet's pretty compelling), and many experiments bear out a reality that would be quite bizarre if an external entity such as a soul really drove us.

    As long as we are talking of merely feelings with no basis, I find no evidence to dissuade me that I am anything more than a meat machine with some clever biological and memetic tricks. I see no reason to increase the complexity of the system by necessitating that we have such (odd at least it seems to us) advanced biological machinery that is our brain with such complex parallel behaviour and yet it exists without purpose or meaning because it does nothing. Because requiring the existence of the soul which drives us means the brain is nothing, it serves no purpose. Why do you have it? Why does our body expend so much resources keeping it functioning? Our pure autonomic functions can be handled by the cerebellum and the spinal cord (and probably far less), the rest of it is totally meaningless.

    Combine this with the fact that our brains share so many similarities with many of the animals around us, yet oddly (at least inasmuch as many humans find it necessary to place themselves on a higher pedestal than everything else around us) they have no soul, ought to make one stop and ponder again why one insists on declaring we have a soul and that is who we are and not the biological machine. Do elephants have souls? They are self aware, they recognise themselves in mirrors. Or do you subscribe to a school of thought where it would be impossible to say an elephant is self-aware yet will deny solipsism in the same breath?