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US Agency Blocked Cellphone / Driving Safety Study

By now you've probably seen the NY Times's long piece on distracted driving — about how most drivers and most legislators willfully ignore the evidence of the dangers of talking on a cellphone, texting, and other electronic distractions while behind the wheel. According to this article, cellphone use while driving causes over 1,000 fatalities a year in the US. Another shoe has now dropped: it seems that the US National Highway Safety Administration blocked a proposed definitive study of the risks. The NHSA now cites concerns about angering Congress. Two consumer safety groups had filed a FOIA request for documents about the aborted study, and the Times has now made the documents public — including the research behind the request for a study of 10,000 drivers.

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  1. First Po by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    *SCREEEECH* *KABOOM*

  2. scary thing by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The highway safety researchers estimated that cellphone use by drivers caused around 955 fatalities and 240,000 accidents over all in 2002.

    The scary thing about this is that those numbers were from 2002. Think about how many more cellphones there are out there today than there were in 2002.

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    1. Re:scary thing by ImNotAtWork · · Score: 5, Insightful

      now think about how many touch screen phones that are out now. You can easily fumble your way through a phone number on a pad... but a flat touch screen requires a bit more focus.. that should be on the road anyways.

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    2. Re:scary thing by acrobg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Out here in California, there is a law about not talking on the phone while driving without a handsfree device. The problem is that now people all the time are just using their phone as before, but spending three times the effort hiding their phone so the cop on the side of the road doesn't pull them over. So now, rather than them just talking on the phone, they're talking, trying to hide it, and driving with whatever level of brain power they have left.

    3. Re:scary thing by davester666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know why handfree is considered significantly better than holding the cell phone up to your ear, any more than holding a coffee/pop/hamburger.

      Unless you are having a totally trivial, meaningless conversation, it's the attention your brain has to give to listening to what the person is saying and how you will respond that screws up driving.

      I've personally noticed that for non-trivial calls that last more than maybe a minute, I'll have gone miles without knowing exactly how (basically, driven on autopilot).

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    4. Re:scary thing by Al+Dimond · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There are differences between cell phones and other distractions; although I'm sure there's a distraction factor from both radios and conversations with passengers, the cell phone conversation demands more from the driver than either of these for the following reasons:

      1. The driver can very easily tune out the radio. He knows that the radio doesn't care. Often when I'm driving and listening to a CD I'll realize that my favorite song played two tracks ago and I didn't even notice it go by. That might be less true of radio, especially if you're listening to a stimulating discussion, but at least you're not in the conversation and expected to reply. In long, boring stretches of freeway driving music can help keep a driver alert, while it's easy to just ignore when the situation requires it.

      2. Passengers in the car with the driver can pick up non-verbal communication from the driver that requires less effort than speaking. A passenger knows when a difficult merge is coming up, or can look at the driver's eyes to see when he needs to really concentrate. In my experience, also, people on the phone expect answers quicker than people talking in-person. A lot of the ways we stall for time when responding to people aren't verbal -- one of the big ones is just being present. Phone calls tend to be a very demanding way to have a conversation. Often passengers help drivers navigate and operate the radio and heat or AC.

    5. Re:scary thing by SpaceCadets · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here in Australia (Victoria specifically), myself as a "P" (probationary) plater can loose my license for driving while being on the phone, handsfree or not. The initial demerit point loss was 3, and that has been doubled to six points. Given that a P plater only has 5 demerit points, they bust you once for talking on your phone, you're gone. Personally I take the view that I have voicemail for a reason, but I will glance at the caller and if it's important I'll pull over and call them back. -My 2 cents worth.

    6. Re:scary thing by icebike · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sorry if it offends your sensibilities.

      Its not a bromide, its been studied quite extensive in Sweden and the US.

      Read this study before you start your rant:
      http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/xap144-drews.pdf

      Passenger conversation is no where near cell conversation in degree of disruption resulting in missed tasks.

      Your assertion, sir, is indefensible.

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  3. Stop being such pussies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How can we expect to remain the most powerful country in the world if we turn into a bunch of big pussies, trying to stop anyone from taking any type of risk? I am much more productive if I can talk on my cellphone and respond to e-mails during my commute. Sometimes there is an accident; such is life. Eggs must be broken to make omelets. What happened to the can-do, damn-the-torpedoes attitude that got us to the moon?

    1. Re:Stop being such pussies. by Clockwork+Apple · · Score: 5, Funny

      "What happened to the can-do, damn-the-torpedoes attitude that got us to the moon?"

      It got outsourced to China?
      C.

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  4. Re:Dangers of blocking by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For starters we could enforce the existing laws. Caught talking on your cellphone twice, hand over your license.

    All the existing laws are "feel good" laws for sanctimonious pricks. All the studies that have been published show that it isn't the act of holding a phone up to your ear that causes a driver to be distracted, it is simply talking on the phone that matters. But all of the laws give free passes to anyone with a handsfree phone. That's arguably worse than holding the phone to your ear - if you do that, at least the other drivers have a chance of noticing that you are on the phone and giving you a wide berth, handsfree makes you look like all the other drivers even though you are not as engaged with the road as they are.

    If a pilot be required to be communicating on a radio while they land and take off - in a fast moving vehicle that falls out of the sky if not kept within parameters, at the edge of those parameters - I think drivers can be taught to drive safely on a cell phone.

    One difference is that he is talking on the radio ABOUT what he is doing. His brain isn't focused on flirting with the ATC.
    Another difference is that the ATC knows when to shut the hell up and let the pilot do his job if something goes wrong, just like someone in the passenger seat would. But someone on the other end of the phone may not even know he is talking to a driver.

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  5. And so it was... by msimm · · Score: 5, Funny

    in the year 2009 the majority of earths then human population began the struggle to implement true multithreading.

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  6. Re:Dangers of blocking by seifried · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We can't even teach people to signal turns and lane changes reliably. Teaching cell phone safety to the public is about as likely to happen as someone winning the lottery jackpot 37 times in a row by finding discarded tickets in the street.

  7. Ban Ban Ban, I wanna be sedated by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Driving while arguing with a woman is also dangerous. I ran 2 stop-signs because of such. Are they going to ban that too?

  8. Re:Are cell phones really a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe you should also research the change in DUI laws, automobile safety and total number of auto accidents, not just fatalities.

    Anytime 50 fucktards would be jumping up and down screaming that correlation != causation. This time, since the evidence suits their needs, they keep their mouths shut.

    As for the rest of the causes, yes, they are causes of accidents. No one said they should be exempt.

  9. Re:Are cell phones really a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    he hardly introduced facts. merely stated a number of deaths on roads without taking into account the reduction in deaths from improved roads, improved vehicle safety (airbags etc) and improved vehicle control mechanisms and as such his fact is completely meaningless and does not help either side of the argument. For all we know when put in context cell phones could be causing 40,000 deaths a year 300% a year since 2000 or they could be causing zero. Simply throwing a statistics into the argument without any context is idiotic. In effect he has used facts and yet provided absolutely ZERO substance and relevence to the debate.