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Chinese Employee Loses iPhone Prototype, Kills Self

tlhIngan writes "Physical intimidation of a Foxconn employee, 25 year-old Sun Danyong, and a possibly-illegal search of his house may have led to suicide after an iPhone prototype in his possession was lost. Foxconn is Apple's long-time manufacturing partner for the iPhone. Entrusted with 16 iPhone prototypes, Danyong discovered that one was missing and searched the factory for it. When it didn't turn up, he reported the incident to his boss, who ordered his apartment searched. There are reports of physical intimidation by Foxconn security personnel. This ended tragically on Thursday at 3 AM, when Danyong jumped from his apartment building to his death." VentureBeat notes that "Apple exerts immense pressure on its business partners [to] help it maintain secrecy." An Apple spokesperson said this to CNet: "We are saddened by the tragic loss of this young employee, and we are awaiting results of the investigations into his death. We require our suppliers to treat all workers with dignity and respect."

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  1. Suicide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's an app for that...

    1. Re:Suicide? by crazyvas · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's called iDie.
      I hear that it's the next big killer app.

      Okay, okay. iUnderstand iStopNow else iDie.

  2. Poor guy... by Starturtle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...probably the only way he could save his family from being threatened.

    1. Re:Poor guy... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't like playing cultural imperialist, but something about current Asian cultures seems to me to be broken: this isn't exactly the first suicide of its sort, or even an uncommon phenomenon, just one of the more high-profile cases (since it's Apple, and a senior guy). Western culture isn't immune to these effects either (cf. high-profile financial advisors committing suicide in 2008-2009), but I understand that it's significantly more of an issue in Asia. I'd hazard that it's something in the common implementation of 'honor' and self-value that predisposes people towards a massive breakdown in the face of 'public disgrace'.

      Not that Americans couldn't use a bit more of the right sort of Honor in their regimen, mind you.

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    2. Re:Poor guy... by LunaticTippy · · Score: 5, Informative

      I had the same misconception but it is easily dispersed.

      According to this the top 7 are not Asian. China is way down there, below France, Poland, Switzerland, Uruguay.

      Country, Male Suicide per 100k, Female suicide per 100k, total pop suicide per 100k, year
      Lithuania 68.1 12.9 38.6 2005
      Belarus 63.3 10.3 35.1 2003
      Russia 58.1 9.8 32.2 2005
      Slovenia 42.1 11.1 26.3 2006
      Hungary 42.3 11.2 26.0 2005
      Kazakhstan 45.0 8.1 25.9 2005
      Latvia 42.0 9.6 24.5 2005
      Japan 34.8 13.2 23.7 2006

      I assumed the suicide rate would be much higher in Asia, but I guess it is just reported more or happens in more high-profile cases or something.

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    3. Re:Poor guy... by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Informative

      There were 5,400 suicides in the UK in 2007. There have been more in other years.

      A raw stat without comparison is meaningless though. 5,400 sounds like a lot, but is it really?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

      Looking at this list, it appears that the UK is 66th on the list for suicide rate. The US is 43rd. China is 26th and Japan is 8th. South Korea is 11th and Hong Kong (not sure why this didn't get lumped with China) 18th.

      That said, not all Asian countries are high on the list. The Philippines is 86th and Thailand is 57th. Singapore is 48th.

      If anything, the trend I see is not East Asian countries being high on the list, but rather a lot of Eastern European/North and North Western Asian countries (ie, Russia and it's western neighbors) being pretty high up.

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    4. Re:Poor guy... by xednieht · · Score: 5, Funny

      Looks to me like the female segment of the population is not pulling their weight

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    5. Re:Poor guy... by vishbar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oddly enough, China is #1 for highest percentage of female suicide.

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    6. Re:Poor guy... by Macrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There really isn't anything out there worth giving your life for...it is short enough as it is, no need to 'rush' it.

      Really? Even being "chained" to a hospital bed so you can be "brave" for 2 years as cancer eats up your body painfully?

      Everyone dies. What is so wrong with going out at your own choosing?

    7. Re:Poor guy... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't like playing cultural imperialist, but something about current Asian cultures seems to me to be broken

      It's not the culture, it's the demographics.

      Take China. Population 1.3 billion. But only 500 million of those are really taking part in the new economy. The other 800 million live in rural poverty. In fact, most of the 500 million who aren't, typically don't fare much better.

      What does this mean in practical terms? It means that unless you are incredibly well educated, connected or monied, you are very, very expendable. There are literally ten people lined up behind you waiting for the same job, which means unless you are prepared to work enormous hours, under extreme pressure, in terrible conditions, you won't get it.

      I had a talk with someone recently back from a business trip to Shanghai. Their group took a short walk through the city one evening, between the rows of shining new skyscrapers that carpet the metropolitan area. As they walked, they could see into offices where employees could be seen through the windows, sleeping on the desks they had been working at all day. How are you supposed to compete with that?

      China is witnessing the kind of rapid capitalism not seen in the world since the 1890's. An economy where labour is cheap and people are treated worse and paid less because there are so many others, literally hungry enough to so the same for even less than that. The kind of capitalism that gave rise to theories like Say's Law, which held you could never have massive unemployment because there would always be people willing to work for a bowl of rice a day.

      And do you know what the most ironic thing about this whole state of affairs is? China has never actually had a communist revolution.

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    8. Re:Poor guy... by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not enough...

      It is rather disappointing that Hank Paulson, Ben Bernanke, Alan Greenspan, Timothy Geithner, and Bernie Madoff haven't sought to atone.

      -jcr

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    9. Re:Poor guy... by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just an FYI, in Asia most suicides are classified as something else in true crime rates. In order to affect a lower suicide rate in the overall data trending. European data trending can be higher because they sometimes include 'other' crimes into their suicide figures during data reporting.

      Never trust data, unless you see the raw data sets yourself.

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    10. Re:Poor guy... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is rather disappointing that Hank Paulson, Ben Bernanke, Alan Greenspan, Timothy Geithner, and Bernie Madoff haven't sought to atone.

      Well to put this into perspective:

      Hank Paulson served a little under 3 years as Secretary of Treasury for George W. Bush. He helped to initiate the bailouts under Bush.
      Ben Bernanke served a little over 3 years as Chairman of the Federal Reserve. He also helped to initiate the bailouts under Bush.
      Alan Greenspan served as Chairman of the Federal Reserve for almost 20 years before Bernanke.
      Timothy Geithner served as President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York for 6 years before his current position as Secretary of the Treasury.
      and you lump these men together with:

      Bernie Madoff who conducted a $65 billion world-wide Ponzi scheme lasting several decades.

      You might disagree with the course of action these men have chosen for the country in the current crisis. You may question their intelligence and vision for not foreseeing the problems before they became crises, but I don't know if anyone should equate their actions or lack of actions to outright fraud. What is it that you think they should atone for?

      The problems that have lead to the current situation were probably a decade in the making. The only one that might have had any real opportunity to change the course of history was Greenspan. Everyone else was relatively new to their job. And for the record, Greenspan admitted he placed too much faith in the rational behavior of financial institutions.

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    11. Re:Poor guy... by kklein · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I haven't heard much about China, but in Japan (8th highest suicide rate) "losing face" can end your career. Submitting a bad report and having your boss say "Maybe you should re-write that" is akin to a death sentance.

      You read that in the American media, right?

      Japanese people are not so precious. I've lived in Japan off and on (mostly on) for the last 10 years. Guess what? People here are the same as anywhere else.

      The corporate culture you describe is something I have never seen or heard of, outside of stupid 80s movies about how Japan was going to take over the world, which were themselves just retreads of stupid WWII propaganda films about how Japan was going to take over the world. It is largely a fabrication based on a handful of isolated incidents. Does it happen? Of course. It happens in Western countries too. It's just far, far from common.

      Full Disclosure: In addition to living here, I took 200 credits of Asian language, culture, history, and political science in college, studying both in the US and Japan. 'm not talking out of my ass here.

  3. Yeah sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Illegal searches, intimidation, then "suicide"... Uh huh... yeah...

  4. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your bosses were mean to you: sue them, find another job, learn to live with it.

    Yes, because that works so well in China, right?

    Get some fucking compassion, idiot.

  5. On the upside.... by Jailbrekr · · Score: 4, Funny

    There is now another liver available for transplant.

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  6. suppliers... by Bombula · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "We require our suppliers to treat all workers with dignity and respect"

    Because nothing says dignity and respect like working in a sweatshop and being paid pennies an hour...

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    1. Re:suppliers... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A better way of putting it would be "how do you plan to pay premiums for feelgood products when the subcontractors involved lie through their teeth?" I've done plenty of business in China and seen everything spiffed up for the big customer visit, workers called in a big meeting and told to lie, etc. Doesn't surprise me one bit that a Apple vendor has hired thugs for security. At least the worker at fault had the gumption to take responsibility for his failure by committing suicide.

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    2. Re:suppliers... by superdave80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      America is the only modern western nation where the middle class is worse off than in 1980, and the only nation that has a broken union movement. This is not a coincidence.

      Yeah, if only we had more unions to fix our economy like they fixed the auto, airline, and public education industries, we'd be much better off.

  7. For a business, patronage is the highest praise... by Guppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When it didn't turn up, he reported the incident to his boss, who ordered his apartment searched. There are reports of physical intimidation by Foxconn security personnel.

    The question is, will this lead to companies being less, or more likely to look upon Foxconn positively when considering an OEM who will keep their new prototype under wraps?

  8. "... with dignity and respect" by goffster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hah! Like Apple treats its iphone app developers ?

  9. Re:Who cares by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not? Believe it or not people are able to sue when they are harmed by somebody, even in China.

    You realize that families who lost their children as a direct result of incompetence and negligence haven't even been able to seek redress under the Chinese system? You really think some poor bastard working for an industrial conglomerate stands a chance? I think you've wandered away from the reservation on this one....

    Parents devastated at the loss of sons and daughters, most born under China's strict "one couple, one child" family planning policy, have sought a government accounting and a proper explanation as to why so many schools fell down.

    Police and local officials have blocked parents of the dead children from staging protests to seek information. An Amnesty International report this week chronicles instances in which parents were detained by police while seeking answers from courts.

    Lawyers who took on such cases came under pressure to drop their involvement.

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  10. Re:Insert Your Morbid Tag Line Here by AlexBirch · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would have gone, with the iPhone 4, the kill switch is in you.

  11. Re:I don't want an iPhone amymore... by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In all fairness I believe both HP and Dell get motherboards and laptops made from Foxconn as well. But certainly Apple's business practices are less than stellar. For every evil business practice we hate Microsoft for, usually Apple follows the same practice and somehow gets a pass.

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  12. Re:For a business, patronage is the highest praise by e9th · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's an interesting question. This Digitimes article published the day before he died, but after he had reported the loss, claims that Apple and Sony are cutting back on Foxconn orders, while Dell, Asustek, and HP are climbing on board.

  13. Re:Culture of Secrecy by loteck · · Score: 5, Insightful
    New Balance shoes are made in the US and UK, where labor laws are, at the very least, in existence. That's a good start. Your local farmer's market would be happy to sell you all the fixins' of a Big Mac, and you can get a good idea about how sustainable their operation is by actually talking to the people who farm it.

    Many people think the way you seem to, which is that "opting out" is impossible. This is an uninformed opinion, it would seem, since options abound. You just have to decide to A) look for them and then B) choose them. Moral backflipping also seems to allow people to continue to sleep at night while their conveniences are paid for in blood by their fellow man in other countries.

  14. Re:I don't want an iPhone amymore... by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yes. The grandparent has his or her work cut out for them because the wikipedia page shows just how hard it is to avoid Foxconn:

    Among other things, Foxconn produces the Mac mini, the iPod and the iPhone for Apple Inc.; Intel-branded motherboards for Intel Corp.; various orders for American computer manufacturers Dell and Hewlett-Packard; the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 for Sony; the Wii for Nintendo;the Xbox 360 for Microsoft, cell phones for Motorola, and the Amazon Kindle.[2][3] [4]

    Bottom line.. if you like electronic devices, you have to go some way to avoid Foxconn. Apple is known for its secrecy, but we documented evidence that Apple was involved in this intimidation in anyway, you have to assume that Foxconn, and only Foxconn is responsible.

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  15. Re:I don't want an iPhone amymore... by hattig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Who are you going to buy instead? Everyone gets their systems built in China, under these conditions. Foxconn is probably one of the better ones.

    It's the cost of cheap, disposable goods in the West.

    Used to be you'd buy a fridge built in your country, a TV, a car, a washing machine, everything, and it would last years and years. But they were expensive, and major purchases. They kept an economy alive, with people being paid reasonable wages. The electronics industry in a rapid speed to be competitive has changed this. We could have a computer that lasted 10 years, but it would really hold things back if you gamed, or did real work. So it drove an industry of rapid upgrades for computers and personal electronics, that don't last long. Western design, eastern construction.

    But these eastern companies don't have the same standards of construction, of employee care, or values, as we do. Additionally the stresses of overwork are immense, they don't have cushy offices, free coffee and 9-5 hours like many of us. Also their upbringing is different. Coupled together, it will add up to a situation where people burn out rapidly, or worse commit suicide if something goes wrong. Many people to replace them of course. Nothing like your own company breaking into your own living space and scaring the bejesus out of you.

    Fucking killing yourself over a front-facing camera, or an OLED screen, or whatever the iPhone 4 will have. Hell, it was probably an iPod Touch 3 for all we know. That shows a massive failure of the value system. Hell, it'll turn out to be the iPhone clone rip-offs that Foxconn probably make on the side won't it? As long as the Chinese elite bosses are okay, that's all that matters. Everything else is a meatgrinder. It's 18th Century with hi-tech, and it won't improve until we stop feeding it.

  16. Greed is GOOD!! by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jesus Christ Kid! Wake up and smell the Coffee! It's the Noughties! I'm not paying you to think about flower power and peace among the animals.

    1. Consider the value of a human life, starting with your own, and compare it to the value of the secrecy of some cellphone prototype

    Consider this mac: Supply and Demand!! If there's one thing that human history has taught us, it's that people are cheap, but profits are forever. You know how many guys like this guy there are? You know how many iPhone prototypes there are? You don't need to do a lot 'a math to see how this is gonna work out. Man, I could tell you stories about coffee beans and Nicaraguans in the 80's. Fucking great times!

    2. Consider your other options. Your bosses were mean to you: sue them, find another job, learn to live with it. Are any of these better than jumping out of the fucking window?

    Holy shit! The only time you need to you to jump out a window is when the stock is at 5c and your pretty sure the guy is like, your spitting image. The lesson here is that if the pressure is this fucking high, you need a safety valve, otherwise known as a fall guy. In fact, I'm betting this guy was that guy! Sweet play.

    3. Consider the safety and mental wellbeing of the people who might be minding their own business and walking their children to school as your dumb skull slams into the pavement in front of them. If you've got to kill yourself, please don't get other people involved.

    You know, you should be thinking about other people. You should be thinking about how to make money off of 'em, or else get them outta your way. You see a bus load of traumatised kids. I see a several lifetimes worth of prescription medication sales. You see tragedy, I see opportunity.

    Shit happens, deal with it. It's all part of the game. Wen just bought a new sports car. Hu just sealed the Intel deal. Yao just jumped out of ten story window. Who cares! It's all just gossip material to spend over Espresso lattes. The second you stop to moralise over rights, wrongs, lifes, deaths; is the second you stop making money. You gotta straighten those suspenders, up the sperm count on the deal, and keep kickin' ass, so people know your the hardest asshole around.

    Prime example, Steve fucking Jobs. Guy's such a ball buster that he's got subcontractors breakin' down apartment doors and throwing suckers outta windows just to keep the latest indigo and cyan iDink case covers an international fucking secret. And people still think he's Michael Jackson! You will never have those stones.

    So, Put it all on AAPL, Bernanke's got the kettle on. And get yourself a dog!

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  17. Re:coverups by Your.Master · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, on the one hand, skepticisim is healthy.

    On the other hand, this isn't skepticism, this is just a different sort of gullibility. And if you allow yourself to believe so many things for which you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever, you draw yourself into a world that is not entirely like the real world, and approach insanity.

  18. Re:Culture of Secrecy by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They do tend to take more responsibility for their actions than we do in the West.

    Or, rather, they are more likely to make scapegoats pay the ultimate price.

    Do you think executing the head of their FDA-equivalent solved the underlying problems that led to so many public disgraces due to contaminants? Do you think that person was solely responsible for those problems?

    Executing that man was PR. Nothing less, nothing more. It's the other actions they have, or have not, taken that would truly demonstrate whether they have taken responsibility.

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  19. Suicide? by readin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Or was he helped out the window?

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  20. Re:Culture of Secrecy by Bill+of+Death · · Score: 5, Informative

    False. The four pairs of New Balance shoes currently in my house were all made in China.

  21. Re:this wasn't a suicide by Knara · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People kill themselves for much lesser reasons than losing a top-secret prototype that makes their company a lot of money, and by losing it will end said suicide-ee's career with said company.

  22. Re:this wasn't a suicide by grumpyman · · Score: 5, Insightful
    or was pushed over the balcony ledge by a bunch of company goons who were told to make an example of him to employees, with a public story that "our employees are so dedicated to your security, they'll..."? And really, how impartial do you think the investigation is going to be? In China, these companies own and run entire cities that make Mall of America look like a strip-mall. They don't even need to pay off the police- they already employ them.
    .

    Just answer me one question: where you get all those information from? Seriously, where? Slashdotter loves China bashing, and you take it to the next lower level. Shame on modders for "Interesting".