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Music Game Genre On the Decline

After enjoying several years of popularity, music games seem to be drawing less and less interest from gamers lately. Guitar Hero and Rock Band titles have been conspicuously absent from a list of the 20 best-selling software titles in the past two months, and one report estimates that revenue from those games has dropped by almost half. Analyst Jesse Divnich suggests that there's no longer much room for dramatic improvements in game play, saying, "it would be erroneous to assume that any franchise or brand can grow unless it brings something new to the table. After a while, utility to the gamer will diminish and he/she will surely move on." Nevertheless, the companies are happy to continue to rely on DLC sales while working on new releases. Harmonix is showing off a trailer and a partial set list for The Beatles: Rock Band, and Neversoft has detailed a number of new features and tracks for Guitar Hero 5.

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  1. Bagpipe Hero? by starglider29a · · Score: 4, Funny

    Should I stop development of Bagpipe Hero? I JUST got the rights from AC/DC for "It's a Long Way to the Top (If you wanna rock and roll)"

    1. Re:Bagpipe Hero? by Freetardo+Jones · · Score: 4, Informative

      Way to rip off The Onion.

  2. And as usual... by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some innovative company will emerge with a new concept nobody's thought about, and we'll be hooked on that for a while.

    There is no "perfection". There are only new concepts, and there's an unlimited supply of them.

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  3. Too much cost... by Last_Available_Usern · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't help that the controllers cost an arm and a leg. In tough economic times, if I have to choose between 3 or 4 games and one game with it's proprietary controllers....guess what, I'm getting the former.

    1. Re:Too much cost... by joocemann · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree. You know what I saw, though? Guitar Hero: Aerosmith for $20 on sale at KMART!. Thats a full real quality GH guitar for 20 bucks plus you get w/e crapola Aerosmith songs come with it (please don't think I'm some Aerosmith fan troll, it is just kinda obvious that most people share my same opinion of their music since it was $20).

      But, yes. Given a choice, I'd rather buy a new game than a second guitar, or a replacement guitar since it seems to wear out much sooner than expected when people are reeming songs on expert with it.

    2. Re:Too much cost... by eln · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The controllers are a barrier to entry to the genre to begin with, but after that you already have them so they don't enter into the equation. Personally, I don't like that they charge full new game prices (40 or 50 bucks a pop without the controllers) for new versions of the games when those new versions are essentially the exact same game with some new songs. I don't know how much more innovative they can get with the gameplay aspect, but charging a bunch of money for what should be an add-on pack just seems like they're milking the franchise for all it's worth, which can be a turnoff to consumers.

  4. Poor song selection by Klobbersaurus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Guitar hero needs more Buckethead, less Elton John.

    1. Re:Poor song selection by Gizzmonic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, less fun music and more boring, pointlessly technical bullshit that only people who subscribe to Guitar magazine care about is precisely what the music games are missing! You know, the same assholes who say "why play Guitar Hero when you can just play a real instrument?" Yeah, those are a rich demographic for your music game. Better court those dudes aggressively with a heavy dose of Yngwie Malmsteen and Eric Johnson.

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    2. Re:Poor song selection by T+Murphy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fork it into one game with a focus on mainstream music and one with a technical focus. I understand the camp that just wants fun songs that people recognize- they're great for casual play and parties. I'm in the camp that plays games for the challenge and I listen to music that tends to be more technical (Dream Theater). If not for the game, Guitar Hero would mean to me the G3 tour- Buckethead and Eric Johnson are the only GH songs I've played that are from G3 guitarists. I get that focusing on the technical/metal (not nu metal) music won't go over well with many, but that doesn't mean there aren't lots of GH/RB fans who want to see more of those songs. Understand you might think the technical stuff is boring, but many people find the simple stuff boring. I get it, people are different, it just sucks to be the minority that gets ignored, hence GP's post.

    3. Re:Poor song selection by SQLGuru · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The thing about it, though is it opens up different markets. My family likes Rock Band well enough (enough that we bought Rock Band 2 as well), but they never got into the game as much because they had to play *ROCK* songs. If there were a POP band game, they'd play more. The don't like the content of RB or GH as much.

      Just because the song wasn't originally played with those instruments, I'm sure they could make up something for you to do while the song plays because really all the game is about is pushing the right buttons in time with the music.....sort of like playing Track & Field at a slower beat. It's just the layout of the buttons that makes it feel like you are playing music instead of sprinting the 100m dash.

  5. Here's an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    How about a game called "Bong Champion"? They could make controllers which are shaped like 2-foot bongs, and they could show onscreen representations of your character toking fat bong hits, as controlled by the inspiration presure sensor in the bong controller, as activated by a "lighter switch" on the bong-troller.

    When the player gets tired and stops sucking, the on-screen character could be shown as passing out. When a player sucks for more than x seconds, he or she can get "puke power" and double points after their on-screen player pukes all over the place.

    Alternately, there could be a hidden mini-game called "fellatio" champ. Use your imaginations :) Except for religious pussies, they have no imagination and they'd be best left to playing pin the tail on the donkey with mommy nearby to make sure that the punch stays non-alcoholic.

    -- Ethanol fueled

  6. Trends for only 2 months ? Shortsighted. by RedK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's been released in the last 2 months ? Guitar Hero : Smash hits ? It's basically a rehash of already released content, you can't expect record sales from that. The last big release in the genre was Guitar Hero : World Tour/Rock Band 2, and that was late last year. Big article about nothing if you ask me.

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  7. Good riddance. by FiloEleven · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't get me wrong--I enjoy extended Guitar Hero sessions with friends as much as the next guy, so I'm glad it exists. But it seems to me that if you're interested enough in playing music to spend hours on a simplified simulator, you might as well buy a cheap guitar / bass / drum kit and do it for real. It's not quite as easy, but it's far more rewarding and you aren't limited to playing other people's songs.

    1. Re:Good riddance. by plams · · Score: 4, Funny

      The gameplay of GarageBand is way more realistic than Rock Band! The sheer number of jarring sounds it can make when you suck at guitar is immense!. However, the graphics is somewhat bland in comparison.

    2. Re:Good riddance. by Fulminata · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why does someone always bring this up? It's a game, not a simulator!

      If I wanted to learn how to play a guitar, then I'd pick up a guitar. I just want to have some fun with my friends playing a game that happens to include music we like.

      Please, stop acting as if people are using these games as a substitute for playing music, they're not. If all the music games were to suddenly disappear overnight, people would not go out and buy real instruments, they'd simply play a different game.

    3. Re:Good riddance. by Clovis42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you might as well buy a cheap guitar / bass / drum kit and do it for real.

      No. I don't want to learn how to play a guitar. I'm not musically talented at all, but I can do pretty good on Expert in the games. This is fun. I get to listen to and experience the music in a fun way. To learn guitar would take forever, and I would never be very good at it. It doesn't matter how much time I spend on guitar games; I'm only doing it to have fun. Why not tell FPS players to quit wasting their time and join the army??

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    4. Re:Good riddance. by VGPowerlord · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why not tell FPS players to quit wasting their time and join the army??

      Isn't that what the America's Army games do? All 3 of them?

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    5. Re:Good riddance. by TheSpoom · · Score: 2, Funny

      The airspeed over your head right now must be immense.

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  8. I wonder by Goaway · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gee, think that might have anything to do with flooding the market with sequel after sequel until nobody can keep track of them any more?

  9. DJ Hero by werdnapk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    DJ Hero looks to be the newest addition to freshen up the genre.

    I'm not sure people will find it as "accessible" as guitar hero though due simply to the fact that almost everyone young and old understands the concept of a guitar.

    1. Re:DJ Hero by Beerdood · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh that's just great. Guitar hero brought us a generation of kids playing video games pretending to be musicians. Now we're creating a generation of kids pretending to be people pretending to be musicians?

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  10. I'm surprised it lasted this long by Piata · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Activision especially has been milking this market for a while with new Guitar Hero packages yearly. Harmonix seems to be much more focused on quality vs quantity and also focused more on DLC than retail goods. In the end I think Activision is going to be hit the hardest by this as they've been pushing new instruments and Guitar Hero games yearly. There's only so many times people will upgrade their plastic instruments before the market is saturated.

    Plus, there's also the fact that you can go out and buy a real guitar for twice the price of one of these sets and develop a real skill with a real instrument that if properly maintained will last a life time.

    1. Re:I'm surprised it lasted this long by Deosyne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It was a smart move for Harmonix to kill the idea of a Rock Band 3 this year, particularly with Activision completely saturating the market with Guitar Hero software. Admittedly, that was more for the sake of focusing development on Rock Band: Beatles, but it still works out. I just hope RB3 adds the one feature in Guitar Hero that doesn't suck: stats, and lots of them.

      After spending the past six months learning to play bass, I now realize what a bullshit correlation it is between playing rhythm games and playing an actual instrument. Learning to play an instrument is hundreds of hours of tedium, toil, and focus just to get to a point where you finally don't suck enough to be able to play a little with other mediocre musicians. Rhythm games are a fun way to play timing puzzles synced to some great songs, are accessible to anyone immediately, and require less than one hundred hours to be able to play at an expert level.

      The only things that rhythm games and playing instruments have in common are:
      1) Music is involved.
      2) The tools are roughly the same shape.

    2. Re:I'm surprised it lasted this long by Chad+Birch · · Score: 3, Informative

      New Guitar Hero packages "yearly"? I think you missed a few, starting from World Tour:

      Guitar Hero World Tour: October 26, 2008
      Guitar Hero On Tour Decades: November 16, 2008
      Guitar Hero Metallica: March 29, 2009
      Guitar Hero On Tour Modern Hits: June 9, 2009
      Guitar Hero Smash Hits: June 16, 2009
      Guitar Hero 5: September 1, 2009
      Band Hero: November 2009
      Guitar Hero Van Halen: November/December 2009

      That's 8 games in a little over one year.

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  11. Non-story by Amphetam1ne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone else thinking that sales are down because there is only a finite market for music based games and it's much closer to saturation point now than it was when the last batch of good games were released? GH Metalica is really only a purchase if you're a metalica fan, while GH Greatest/Smash Hits has had lack-luster reviews and will largely only get a purchase from the hardcore fans and those new to the series that didn't get to play GH1/2/3/80's.

    RB Beatles and GH5 are slated for September release and have now been out of the top 20 for 2 months. How exactly is the last major game release of a developer dropping out of the top 20 just 4 months before the release of their next major title a "decline"? Most development studios would make blood sacrafices to be in the top 20 that long!

    Filler article for the summer games-news drought.

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  12. Re:Sell out!!! by Gizzmonic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1) MTV doesn't play music.

    2)Are you seriously implying that the Who, Nirvana, Elvis Costello etc are MTV bands? Or the obscure stuff Bikini Kill, the Libyans, etc? So, they have a Panic at the Disco song, there's 70+ other tracks. Don't pick that song if you don't like it.

    You're a whiner!

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  13. I'm sick of everyone saying this by LockeOnLogic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a musician, I've been playing for as long as I can remember. And all my musician jackass friends snidely say this exact same thing to people who are good at rock band, and it has started to irritate me. Guitar hero is not playing music, and the skills do not transfer as people seem to think. Pressing buttons while holding your hands in a similar position as when playing a guitar gives you zero indication of musical ability or any positive benefit for your playing. It only shows you can move your fingers in time with a beat, but thats where the similarity ends. Its like me saying "oh fly fishing you wave a big wooden stick and baseball you do the same! Fisherman should be good at baseball!"

    Don't get me wrong, I think these games are fun as hell even though I don't own them. I love when a friend has rock band and we all knock back a few and rock out, cheap easy fun. But don't dellude yourself, rock band will do little to lessen the years it takes to be able to play live with people and not make horrible noise. That being said, I respect people who are really good at it becase although i'm a pretty decent guitarist, I can't do those nutso songs on expert. And my friends are wrong to presume I should be able to.

    1. Re:I'm sick of everyone saying this by DdJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Pressing buttons while holding your hands in a similar position as when playing a guitar gives you zero indication of musical ability or any positive benefit for your playing. It only shows you can move your fingers in time with a beat, but thats where the similarity ends.

      As a non-musician, let me tell you about one other thing these games have done for me.

      I never used to do any decomposition of music before. I listened to the whole piece as if it were one monolithic, inseparable thing.

      Playing these games has taught me to decompose music in various ways. For one thing, the game forces me to separate out what the guitar is doing from what the drums are doing from what the bass is doing, and now that has become a part of my normal listening habits. For another thing, I'm more aware of the linear structure of a song, the chorus, the bridging pieces, the solos, et cetera.

      It may not be much, but for me at least, there's been some musical benefit.

    2. Re:I'm sick of everyone saying this by Aqualung812 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I couldn't agree more about listening to music in a new way. I *thought* I loved music before as a non-musician, but I have a whole new ear to everything that was old after playing these rhythm games.

      Also, drumming and singing in these games DOES translate to reality, at least to some extent. Singing greatly does, and anyone that can get 98-100% on the hardest drum level can at least pound out a steady beat with a symbol, snare, and kick with real drums.

      I'm not claiming that they'll be Neil Peart, but they make something that sounds like music.

      Someone that picks up a real guitar after being a GH badass will sound like crap, period.

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    3. Re:I'm sick of everyone saying this by cynical+kane · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pressing keys in time with music does not real music constitute, but it's one of the basic skills. Before you can make your piano or guitar or flute or whatever sing with musical expression, you need to know how to press the right keys or frets in the right order at the right time. Learning how to do this is (relatively) dull but fundamentally important. Guitar Hero is basically the most boring part of being a musician, in video game form. This is why 1) most musicians find it trivial and 2) most musicians are puzzled that ordinary people think it "fun".

      I'm also a musician and I've also been playing as long as I can remember. I find Guitar Hero to be both very boring and trivially easy--such that I was able to win our workplace's Guitar Hero competition after only having played about an hour of it in my life. Though I can't do many songs on expert, I can sight-read most songs on medium with high accuracy, whereas most people struggle with mastering beginner mode before moving on.

  14. Juris-my-diction? Read the article. by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative
    In the article, Matt Matthews at Gamasutra wrote:

    Gamasutra has discovered that U.S. Guitar Hero/Rock Band revenues are down 49% year on year, as discounted hardware and over 20 SKUs flood the market.

    Anonymous Coward wrote:

    America isn't the only country.

    The article is about sales in the United States.

  15. DDR by MobyDisk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Same thing happened with DDR. I love it, and there will always be a hardcore group of DDR players. But the market is saturated, and it isn't new anymore, so sales won't continue to climb forever.

  16. Real Instruments / Real Teaching / Real Fun by MarkvW · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The genre as it exists now is just fun.
    If it ever expanded into real teaching with a real guitar, you'd create a new generation of Eric Claptons zoning out with their guitar in their room for months at a time until they got good.

    Real fun teaching software would rule the software world.

  17. Re:The lack of commoditization is hitting them. by Dorkmaster+Flek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's why I dumped GH once RB came out. RB's platform approach is the new way to do music games, and if GH won't follow suit, they won't be getting my dollars.

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  18. Re:Sell out!!! by NewWorldDan · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those of you too young to remember, in 1993 MTV still played some music, and "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was in heavy rotation at the time. In the early '90s, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden, and what not were all very much MTV bands (and Kurt Cobain really hated that). The Who and Elvis Costello, not so much. :)