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Hacker Group L0pht Making a Comeback
angry tapir writes "The news report begins with shots of a tense space shuttle launch. Engineers hunch over computer banks and techno music pounds in the background. There is a countdown, a lift-off, and then you see a young man in a black T-shirt and sunglasses, apparently reporting from 'space.' This is the Hacker News Network, and after a decade offline it is lifting off again, this time with a quirky brand of video reports about security. Hacker News Network is one of the side projects of the Boston-based hacker collective known as L0pht Heavy Industries. They're the guys who famously told the US Congress that they could take down the Internet in about 30 minutes, and who helped invent the way that security bugs are reported to computer companies."
Once upon a time these guys were the baddest of the badasses. But nowadays Russia, China, and North Korea have become real threats.
What can a group of guys in Boston do that could rival Russian hackers?
Welcome back... welcome back... Wel-come BAAAACK!" -Cha!
John Walsh once found me while looking for some other kid. He was not amused.
Assuming these guys are 'white hats', and they are not _necessarily_ the most able or l337 hax0rs out there, then why has someone not already attempted to take the internet down in 30 minutes already? For, say, 1 million dollars? I call hubris..
The Anti-Sec folks won't like this!
I reported a MySQL security bug to a recent Slashdot front page and got a 'Thanks - looking into it'. Not sure it has been fixed yet. This gives me no right to publish it anywhere if you ask me. Not yet anyway.
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hurray!
Count Zero, IMO
Those guys also were probably among the first to make it publically obvious that computer skills were not simply vehicles for the personal amusement of the socially inept. The press at the time always discussed how they had one apartment for themselves, and one next door for their gear. They made money being hackers, (in the old sense of the word -- not crackers.) I imagine that a substantial part of the sudden increase in society's respect for geeks, (maybe mostly their potential incomes,) was due to the glamorous press exposure l0pht received at that time. Perhaps Slashdot should thank them -- I'm not really sure. It will be interesting to see what this new l0pht is like.
Since I like history and dead-tree, anyone have a suggestion for a good book covering the history of these 1990s hacking/security/blackhat/whitehat/grayhat groups, and what you might call the fragmentation/dissolution of the underground? There's good material on the 80s, but much less on the 90s, it seems, despite a decade having passed.
The only one I know of with more than a passing mention is a 20-page overview in Ch. 3 ("Hacking in the 1990s") of the book Hacker Culture (2003). Others?
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
OH NOES!
but can they record the thing in a room that doesn't have the acoustics of a tin can?
One of our competitors trademarked the term "hypothesis". From now on, we will call them "boneheaded ideas".
30 minutes should be more than enough for anyone!
They're out in the pool, on the roof.
Don't forget Lord Nikon and Cereal Killer.
In God we trust, all others we virus scan.
W(here)TF did you come up with North Korea? Oh yeah, that memo passed you buy about the source of that last I-net run against gov sites originated in the United Kingdom? It was those scumball pols who claimed it originated in North Korea....you know, that SecDef Robert Gates, who used to boil cats when he was in his teens, and the guy with the father who also occupied the Secretary of Defense position. WTF ever happened to social mobility in the US of A, anyway?????
I watched the last news video of them. Here is my impression:
* They recreated the feel of the 80's hacker optic mixed with matrix in an endless loop
(no, that was not a compliment)
* 20 % of the show was advertisement (maybe more)
* The news are mostly a summary on what you read here on security.slashdot.com
* The tone of the show gets boring.. well, immediately
The basic idea is nice, but the actual show is not that impressive. Could get better though..
L0pht Heavy Industries went corporate in 2000, and became "@Stake", which was acquired by Symantec in 2004, and disappeared into the Symantec empire.
L0pht, founded in 1992, was itself a descendant of the Cult of the Dead Cow, founded in 1984 and still around, more or less.
There have been various spinoffs and buybacks along the way, but it's been a while since cutting edge work came from that crowd.
First L0pthcrack Rises Again and now L0pht themselves are back?!?! Such amazing times we live in.
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Maybe you could call it "tan" or "dun", I don't know. Keeps the sun out of my eyes, anyway. Isn't that what matters?
Did anyone notice ... HNN's website has nicely formatted Google ads?!
watch out
I wish they could bring back the fine articles Sercrity Portal used to have, in particular, "Ask Buffy, by Buffy Overflow". Great stuff there.
So these are the posers that put a bit of faux repectability on crackers and a whole lot of smear on actual honestly creative hackers. Clearly, a whole lot of moxie and a bit of media savvy brings you quite a ways.
Thanks so much guys.
Why in the world would one visit the web site?
I try to avoid getting my oil changes at Joe's ChopShop and Used Parts emporium, and I avoid banking at Webegone Bank and Trust.
Oh, sure, I'm sure these are the "whitehats".
Sig Battery depleted. Reverting to safe mode.
Stop reading press releases will you.
Their the same caliber as the ones claiming genocide and WMD's to justify military intervention.
Its like some people are still living the cold war era.
Pool's closed. Due to AIDS.
cDc rocks... L0pht rocks... They have NEVER died. Just cause you are not taking the spotlight doesn't mean you are dead. They just did other things, but the same. No I will not elaborate.
They inspired me. I have thus become a Linux Engineer, etc. They used to have a building with wires and antenae coming out of it.. and tell everyone we are hacking you and you cannot catch us..... Hey I am going to come into your house. I am warning you ahead of time, try and stop me all you want, you cannot find me. I am going to break the law and you cannot catch me coppers. Cause I got plan A thru infinity planned out. AND they have lived up to their boast.
So all you naysayers and wannabees ... pffft.. Who are you??? You speak of the ELITE of the ELITE.
And as regards to China, Russia, etc... haha... that argument is so flimsy its laughable. I'm not going to play all my cards... I'm not going to share inside info on things that I have but I will let my words stand as they are. But to your credit it is a plausible thought process and question.
cDc and L0pht will never die.. like someone said they defeat Chuck Norris. Even when they have passed on.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/browse_thread/thread/2385ab653d66252/6cc421202f854b7b
Disgusting... especially the "top 5":
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#1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim (Gentiles) is like killing a wild
animal."
#2. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be
violated."
#3. Yebamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted
if she is three years of age."
#4. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
#5. Yebamoth 98a: "All gentile children are animals."
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However, per Bernie Madoff + his ponzi schemes in the hedgefunds scandal, & then, topping that off w/ the Jew Rabbis in New Jersey being caught laundering monies this week also?
Well - It only appears that only the TRUE NATURE of the people that hold the Jewish faith is being revealed... and, this time, by their actions (not just the words they profess to live by (via the quotes from their talmud above)).
APK
P.S.=> Unbelievable, yet true (per my post parent to this one)... but, explains a LOT, & STRAIGHT FROM THE JEWISH TALMUD no less! They call the rest of us animals & that it is "OK" to murder & kill + rape our kids?? Small wonder they head into an oven, everytime, & have been driven from every nation they invade & impoverish, all thru history - you can "mod me down", all you like, but it doesn't 'stand up' too well, vs. what is in the jew talmud itself, & especially in regards to the rest of us non-jews (even little kids, for God's sake!)... apk
cool story bro
"What can a group of guys in Boston do that could rival Russian hackers?" - by BadAnalogyGuy (945258) on Sunday July 26, @01:27PM (#28828129)
There are only 13 root DNS servers out there, afaik, & this is the list of them:
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E-NASA Moffet Field CA
F-ISC Woodside CA
M-WIDE Kei o
I-NORDU Stockholm
K-LINX/RIPE London
B-DISA-USC Marina delRey CA
L-DISA-USC Marina delRey CA
A-NSF-NSI Herndon VA
C-PSI Herndon VA
D-UMD College Park Maryland
G-DISA-Boeing Vienna VA
H-USArmy Aberdeen MD
J-NSF-NSI Herndon VA
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AND?
They DO in essence, control a LARGE part of the internet itself (for url-to-ip address name resolutions, & troubles in the Domain Name System were exposed the past year or two now by Dan Kaminsky, that ARE exploitable for purposes such as L0pht stated, when they told the U.S. Gov't. they could effectively "take down the internet in under 30 minutes" etc. et al).
APK
P.S.=> That? That's JUST "for starters", in reqards to your question... apk
a comeback is logging into bbs.l0pht.com via p23. a comeback is chatting with razer or dark dante on darkcartel.com... a comeback is beigeboxing on ess. nostalgia is great, i live for it. but as for l0pht there is no 'comeback'. only born anew as something worthy to this 'generation'. what you got up your sleeve now?
If they took down the internet what is there to hack (or forcefully provide incentive for code improvements)? Hardware and social engineering crap again? Not to mention all the completely inept script kiddies that depend on actually skilled coders to do their work for them. There's no way they would shoot themselves in the foot. D...U...H...
You can just read the archives of 2600 here Gay Hackers
Because usually, this gets you shot. And I think you can be as cool a l33t h4x0r as you want. If you are a stain on the walls, it does not matter, does it? ^^
I say, if the government would sign something, stating that they would get away with it, with some UN guarantee backing it... *Then* you could see people attempting this.
Oh, and back when they said it, the security of the internet was a complete joke compared to now. One botnet trojan/virus from today could wipe the whole net from back then without problems. :)
Not if you add "with a computer" to the activity. Look at a group we see injecting code known to be unsafe into airports, hospitals, schools and military sites. Not even an eyebrow is being raised, let alone a rifle scope. The military has been sitting on its hands while this group brings the infrastructure and parts of the economy to its knees. MSFT racketeering causes billions of dollars of damage each quarter.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/browse_thread/thread/2385ab653d66252/6cc421202f854b7b All the mod downs in the world don't seem to disprove what was written straight from the jewish talmud which only shows what the jews apparently think of the rest of humanity. Small wonder they are shunned throughout history and every place they migrate to like locusts and systematically impoverish and destroy since the beginning of time (or at least since the time of the Egyptians).
The United States is now being used to fight their battles for them in the middle east (after they thieved their own relatives in the Arabic peoples, because both tribes descend from the same genetic tree no less, so, don't wonder why their own family in essence hates them more than anyone - nobody wanted them around in their nations after WWII, so who paid for that? The Palestinians).
The U.S.A. is their last refuge now, and yet, they are attempting to plunder the U.S. dry also.
Just as they have every other nation on the planet over the millenia, with 'gang up tactics' (e.g. german peoples experienced this at Jews' hands especially, when a german baker for instance had his business handed down father to son, for centuries, that is when the jews would move in and setup a competing bakery & neighboring villages' jews would underwrite the competing jew baker's costs, making his prices so low, that the german baker could not compete. When the german went out of business, the jews skyrocketed their prices way up past where they ever were before and this went on through all fields and professions, & this is the type of tactics they utilize in order to infest a nation & impoverish it).
Their outright blatant propensity for thievery however, is clearly shown by the 5 Rabbis caught laundering monies illegally in Secaucus New Jersey the week of this very post, and Bernie Madoff, via the hedgefund scandal exposed last year. The European nations will have nothing to do with them because of what happened in Poland, Germany, & Russia, plus other nations in Europe. Now, see their latest thieveries in the U.S.A., & don't wonder too hard why nobody wants them around.
It amazes me, because they have the opportunity to be better men through the acquisition of great wealth (often by less than honorable means), but never are. This is what does them in, every time, and in every nation, throughout all history.
i.e. You can't ask a snake to not be a snake in other words, apparently.
(Expecting them to be any different than they have always been is a mistake based on their history as a religion and peoples. A mistake that nations which host their presence makes and which that nation ultimately ends up paying for after it has been financially raped essentially).