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The Music Industry's Crisis Writ Large

The NY Times has an opinion piece that makes starkly clear the financial decline of the music industry. It's accompanied by an infographic that cleverly renders the drop-off. The latest culprit accelerating the undoing of the music business is free, legal online music streaming. "Since music sales peaked in 1999, the value of those sales, after adjusting for inflation, has dropped by more than half. At that rate, the industry could be decimated before Madonna's 60th birthday. ... 13- to 17-year-olds acquired 19 percent less music in 2008 than they did in 2007. CD sales among these teenagers were down 26 percent and digital purchases were down 13 percent. ... [T]he percentage of 14- to 18-year-olds who regularly share files dropped by nearly a third from December 2007 to January 2009. On the other hand, two-thirds of those teens now listen to streaming music 'regularly' and nearly a third listen to it every day."

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  1. Let it die. by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The words 'music' and 'industry' were never meant to go together. Music should come from the heart, not the wallet. This idea that you can become wealthy by being a musician is a new one and we've suffered for it.

    1. Re:Let it die. by sopssa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The words 'music' and 'industry' were never meant to go together. Music should come from the heart, not the wallet. This idea that you can become wealthy by being a musician is a new one and we've suffered for it.

      You might like to come live in the current world. Like everything else in entertainment (movies, games, comics whatever), music is entertainment and professionally made. It requires time, effort and money. Just as stupid RIAA's lawsuits against studenst are, pirates reasoning to get content for free are too. Music *IS* industry. You dont get around that as much as you'd like to deny it. Or well, if you like to, stop listening to commercially produced music and go listen in the streets; they're nice sometimes and you can tip those who you think are good. But if you're against commercial music, the answer isn't to pirate it. Answer is not to listen to it all. You're just being hypocrisy and making excuses for pirating if you still listen to them.

      And now besides the point, record labels aren't there just to rip people off. Artists actually need them. They actually find the artists that could be something, provide them studio time and sponsor them so they can get their job done, help making the music videos, doing promotion, making sure the actual product is somewhat quality (yeah, quality can be argued!) to actually delivering the products to retailers, tv and radio stations and whatever other places. Lots of times people forget that record labels do lots of other work too and sponsor the bands, and they're not there just to collect money forgefully.

      This is why I think the record labels will continue to exist and will be used by artists. Yes, I said used. Its not necessary for artists to use them, noone force's them to. But lets face it, all that usually needs lots of money and time and work. Not a single person can usually do so much, but go work with record labels so they can handle all the other stuff and artists can spend the time on their core thing -- making music.

    2. Re:Let it die. by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No shit.

      The latest culprit accelerating the undoing of the music business is free, legal online music streaming.

      Counterpoint: the real culprit accelerating the undoing of the music business is:

      - anticompetitive business practices (price fixing, etc) that have given potential customers a sour attitude towards music labels
      - destruction of diversity in radio broadcasting (something the music industry ironically pushed for) via the death of media ownership regulations mid-'90s

      And finally, the main reason:

      - replacement of almost all talented acts that produced good music, with hyperproduced kiddie-shit "artists" whose assets are not musical talent or singing voices, but barely-covered bikini bottoms and tits. Just you wait: in 4 years, tops, "Hannah Montana" will be pulling a Britney-style selfdestruct. And neither of them are capable of producing "music" even remotely worth listening to.

    3. Re:Let it die. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hi, the 1950's called and they want their arguments back. I know a few musicians who can afford their own studio setups that are just as good as anything you'll find in the 'major labels'. Studio time isn't that big of a barrier to entry anymore.

      So do you need big labels for quality? Well, you have me there, no indie label could match the musical genius of somebody like say, Brittney Spears.

      The "industry" the GP refers to is the big labels that screw over everybody -- artists and listeners -- in the guise that there's barriers or a scarcity that's just not there anymore. Those are the companies that go away.

    4. Re:Let it die. by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And now besides the point, record labels aren't there just to rip people off. Artists actually need them.

      Before advent of easy recording, just about every family that wanted to appear civilized owned a piano or some other musical instrument. That is, people used to play music themselves. I personally record my own music for my family and listen to a lot of bands of friends or ones that play small venues. You know, I listen to music that people can actually play. I'll never forget in high school going to one concert for some bands I liked quite a bit (U2 with the Pixes opening) and realizing that they sounded absolutely awful live and that the sound on their records has been manipulated to the point of being false. That was the day I stopped believing that the "current world" was the best solution. I don't need the RIAA, I can keep playing my own music and traditional, non-copyrighted music to my heart's content. I'm not alone in this. Don't believe me? Go spend a few hours on youtube.

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    5. Re:Let it die. by cdrguru · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The primary benefit that record companies provide to the artist today is promotion. Without promotion, most artists will remain in some kind of local niche. A few might get national attention for doing something that gathers lots of publicity - like running through a public park naked or something like that. That is about it.

      What people do not understand is the full spectrum of promotion. Kill off the record companies and promotion dies. With it go a lot of magazines that music promotion is supporting. FM Radio is going to change a lot in the US, because it is mostly a music promotion vehicle. I would expect most stations to just give up and shut down. The rest will do something else. They will not be playing popular music.

      How far do the tenacles of music promotion go? I don't really know. I suspect that the ripples from ending music promotion will go much further than anyone suspects.

    6. Re:Let it die. by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You might like to come live in the current world. Like everything else in entertainment (movies, games, comics whatever), music is entertainment and professionally made. It requires time, effort and money

      Your argument fails. While feature-length movies are generally the domain of professionals (requires a ton more time), there are entertaining other shorter movies such as Homestar Runner which doesn't even have ads on their site yet has hundreds of videos. Games? There are loads of games that the game itself is free while they use other ways of making a profit. Heck, I can download the WoW client for free ( http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wowclient-download.html ) yet I wouldn't say it was unprofitable in the least. Comics? Lets see here, off of the top of my head there are, Megatokyo ( http://www.megatokyo.com/ ), User Friendly ( http://www.userfriendly.org/ ) and XKCD ( http://xkcd.com/ ) And XKCD lets you use their comic so long as you attribute to them.

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    7. Re:Let it die. by sopssa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, you dont need big labels for quality. But lets face it; most starting bands are low on money, do it part time and if you've ever listened to demo's they suck. Well they dont if you like the band, but at that point you approciate them with different view. Just because a few musicians with their own money to support them can get studio time doesn't mean all the starting bands can.

      As much as I know this is heated topic in slashdot -- and i probably get modded down for it -- the big label records AREN'T there to fuck everyone over. They're just best at making everything that work (what i mentioned in earlier post and other). I mean, I like smaller records. Since my teenage years Drive-Thru Records have been my favourite one. They're a small, somewhat known record label thats just luckily stayed on positive balance. I've tried to support them when I can.

      Besides the label issues, see my later posts -- I support Spotify and methods for people for free to listen to music legitly. But I think record labels are needed to support the artists.

    8. Re:Let it die. by FelixNZ · · Score: 3, Informative

      Regarding Live performances - This isn't always the band's fault, although I haven't been to see either of those bands in person, but I have been to several venues where the guy behind the mixing desk is spot on, and the experience is far, far better than any recording. Conversely, the same bands in a different venue and some sort of bespectacled Human-Gorilla hybrid behind the desk, seemingly randomly playing with knobs and sliders have rendered the performance absolutely abysmal.

    9. Re:Let it die. by medlefsen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, what they do is find the artists they think they can sell and then try to make sure they turn a profit on them. It doesn't have anything to do with artistic merit. It doesn't really matter though. If they can't stay in business in the current environment then they'll die off and life will go on.

      The argument that music will go away if the prospect of multi-million dollar recording contracts goes away is completely nonsensical considering that the majority of music in the world and throughout history has been made in their absence. People will continue to make music, and people will even continue to find a away to reimburse artists. This is not the catastrophe some people are making it out to be.

    10. Re:Let it die. by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Regarding live performances, you have to realize that many bands aren't exactly sober when they play.

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    11. Re:Let it die. by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      - anticompetitive business practices (price fixing, etc) that have given potential customers a sour attitude towards music labels

      There is some truth in that, but come on. People really stopped buying music because of that?

      - destruction of diversity in radio broadcasting (something the music industry ironically pushed for) via the death of media ownership regulations mid-'90s

      Wrong. Radio hardly has any influence on what music people listen to these days.

      And finally, the main reason: - replacement of almost all talented acts that produced good music, with hyperproduced kiddie-shit "artists" whose assets are not musical talent or singing voices, but barely-covered bikini bottoms and tits. Just you wait: in 4 years, tops, "Hannah Montana" will be pulling a Britney-style selfdestruct. And neither of them are capable of producing "music" even remotely worth listening to.

      I doubt very much that the music industry is replacing musicians who would sell more music with those who would sell less. What you or I might consider quality music doesn't come into it at all and shouldn't. If people like "hyperproduced kiddie-shit artists", which they obviously do, then that's what they get. Just like on a typical weekend out of the top 10 grossing movies I would consider 9 or more to be completely unwatchable garbage, but other people obviously have different tastes so how can I say that unless movie industry makes more movies that I would like its profits would suffer? Your personal problems with the music industry are not necessarily the same ones that are causing its troubles.

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    12. Re:Let it die. by enrevanche · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Killing off the record companies could possibly be the dawn of a new age with much more diversity. Without the massive inefficiencies of the current music business, how many more musicians can be supported with the same revenue? The fact is, their massive control over the market, requires draconian control and just a few over-promoted stars that blot out the rest. The changes in the music world brought about by technology and the internet has already dramatically increased the access to many artists that we would have had previously.

    13. Re:Let it die. by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 2, Informative

      promotion blah blah blah blah blah

      local niche

      Hur dur the internet?

    14. Re:Let it die. by Falconhell · · Score: 4, Informative

      I did live sound for 20 years. It is not always the engineers fault if the sound is crap. Some rooms are just impossile to get a good sound. Some bands are so loud on stage that the PA system cannot keep up, again bad sound. Some PA systems are crap.

      Bottom line is if you werent at the mixing desk yourself you have no idea of the problems that are in front of the Sound guy.

      How many times have you actually mixed a band?

      Yeh right never, it shows.

    15. Re:Let it die. by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Probably the only utility the record industry provides to artists is that of promotion. Yes, the Internet makes it very easy to distribute music for next to nothing, but how do you find people to distribute it to? Word of mouth only goes so far, and advertising is expensive.

      No, let me repeat that, advertising is very expensive. Go look up the numbers on Google Adsense and you'll see it's not unreasonable for every visitor to cost you (on average) $1. Assuming 10% of those people actually buy something from you (which is a very high conversion rate, more realistic would be 1-5%), and you need to make $10 sales (on average) per person, just to cover your advertising costs!

      But, back to the record industry. They have large coffers and deals with all the radio stations, so they can easily push out a $$$$ ad campaign and get airtime for songs they think they can make a return on. They probably don't make huge profits on most artists (indeed, they may even lose money), but in aggregate they still (obviously) turn a tidy profit.

      I don't know about you, but I don't have 6 figures to lay down on advertising, so as an independent content producer (of which I am, see Game!), it puts you in a very awkward position. For musicians, you can sell your soul to the music industry and hope there's some profit left over for you in the end, or you can go it alone and probably reach only a tiny audience, but keep all of the (tiny) profit for yourself. Or, you can lay down for advertising and promotion, which is expensive (as discussed already) and may or may not pay itself back.

      Don't get me wrong, obviously the record industry is only interested in turning a profit for itself (and will probably screw over most artists that sign with it in the process), but if the Internet had completely obsoleted the record industry, artists would have wised up by now and the record industry would actually be gone by now.

    16. Re:Let it die. by Falconhell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Record companies decide to "promote" on the basis
      of how good looking an artist is, see Brittany Spears or Kylie Minogue for examples.

      Getting rid of the "Industry" who are nothing more than leaches would be a very good thing.

    17. Re:Let it die. by ProfM · · Score: 2, Funny

      Regarding live performances, you have to realize that many bands aren't exactly sober when they play.

      That's the reason to go see them ... it's like going to a Nascar event for the crashes.

    18. Re:Let it die. by davester666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you're saying that we're currently operating on a 'music bubble', where the labels just promote whatever they choose via payola to music stations to make appear popular, then people buy it en-masse, thus actually making it "popular"?

      That the industry is too big for the gov't to allow it to 'pop'?

      I'm sorry son, we have to listen to this crap. It's to save the economy.

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    19. Re:Let it die. by bursch-X · · Score: 2, Informative

      Tell this Georg Friedrich Händel (1685 - 1759) and he'll laugh his ass off. He was probably the best paid musician of his time. And music made him extremely rich. He just hit the right taste of the rich people sponsoring/hiring him.

      Most of the Music written from the 17th century onwards was basically contract work written for rich people. Bach has written most of his works being sponsored. Mozart, too. The whole idea that Music must not be paid for is ludicrous.

      Even the Minnesänger in Medieval times (12th - 15th century) had pretty well paid jobs at the royal and imperial courts. They didn't write their Minnelieder (minne - noble love) just for "love"...

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    20. Re:Let it die. by pat+sajak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is true, provided that you listen to Brittney Spears and the Jonas Brothers. Otherwise, the music industry does more harm than good. They provide no tangible service in this day and age. Those who know where to look have no trouble finding artists they enjoy listening to. The record companies will always be around to provide your polished pop princesses etc, but in time they will be relegated to a niche market. True, non-label artists won't rake in the cash like they would with a major label backing them, but when they receive 90% of the profits rather than 0.003%, I don't think the artists will complain.

    21. Re:Let it die. by Falconhell · · Score: 5, Informative

      Plenty thanks, only 2000+ shows in 20 years, most of which were repeat bookings, some in the hundreds of shows. Not to mention at least that many more that I had to refuse as I was already booked, often 6 months in adavance.

      Where did I say poor equipment that wont go as loud as I want? You just made that up, re read what I wrote. How many times have you mixed a band? Ah of course none.

      I will explain it simply as you don't seem to have a clue about live sound. If a rock band for example is very loud on stage(Instrument amps and speakers can be surprisingly efficient)say 105 dbspl one needs to be able to add 10db of volume (115dbspl)above the off stage volume for the vocals to be heard clearly.

      A snare drum on its own can when hit hard, exceed 120dbspl.

      Hence you need a powerful system capable of exceeding the off stage level. Turning down the volume is not an option in this scenario, unless the band is willing to turn down on stage, and let me tell you that virtually never happens, or if it does only for a few minutes then they are back up again.

      To ensure quality some "headroom" (Unused power)is required, that is power above what is required, to keep all points in the signal chain below the threshold of clipping, and hence the sound clean. Even so most systems I used would flash the clip lights on the peaks of the bass drum, this is not unusual with high powered actively crossed over systems.

      In an active xover system clipping of the bass amp does not effect the higher frequency channels.

      One of the things I discovered was that clean sound can be very loud without bothering listeners, whereas dirty or poorly equalized sound can be annoying at almost any volume.

      At no stage did I say I wanted a system to be louder if it was crap. That would just result in louder crap.

      As a long time live sound professional I did not choose crap systems for my shows, but some were equipment provided, so one had to make do with what was there. When I specified the systems it was never a problem.

      Obviouslyly the quality of the band and their instruments and amps has a huge influence too.
      On many occasions I mixed multiple acts, some of which sounded like crap and had me working my ass off thinking I was doing something wrong.

      When the next act came on all of the problems were gone and the sound great without any changes on my part, but even after many years it is sometimes very difficult for me to be sure whether it was the engineer/system causing the bad sound or just a bad band!

      Like I said if you are not at the desk doing the gig you have no idea under what limitations the sound guys is operating, and no real basis for criticism.

    22. Re:Let it die. by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Interesting

      - anticompetitive business practices (price fixing, etc) that have given potential customers a sour attitude towards music labels

      There is some truth in that, but come on. People really stopped buying music because of that?

       

      I did. I spent many thousands of dollars on music in the 80s and 90s. The music industry went from selling $7.99 LPs that cost $1.50 to make, to selling CDs that cost less than 50 cents to make - yet they charged $15. WHY?

      Well one exec at the time said the reason why was because "they sound better so its worth it," which was akin to saying "fuck you, we do because we can."

      But the REAL reason was because they were illegally price fixing. They were NOT competing companies, they were an illegal cartel, violating anti-trust.

      They were found GUILTY of this, and yet the fine for the entire music cartel was less than what they sue one filesharer for.

      THAT'S why I swore I'd never give them another damned cent of mine - and I haven't. They were found GUILTY of being essentially organized crime, of ripping off their own customers to the tune of billions of dollars... they got a slap on the wrist and then complain that their CUSTOMERS are the crooks.

      And that's after notoriously ripping off most of the musicians whose product they are peddling in the first place.

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    23. Re:Let it die. by PaulMeigh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey kind of like General Motors and their hunch that everyone wants an SUV. Well then the solution is obvious.

    24. Re:Let it die. by russotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What people do not understand is the full spectrum of promotion. Kill off the record companies and promotion dies. With it go a lot of magazines that music promotion is supporting. FM Radio is going to change a lot in the US, because it is mostly a music promotion vehicle. I would expect most stations to just give up and shut down. The rest will do something else. They will not be playing popular music.

      OK, sounds like a deal... wait... is there a downside to all this?

    25. Re:Let it die. by Zerth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doesn't nearly every distribution method on the internet have a "if you like A, 70% of everyone who does also like band B" Most of the entertainment I buy these days comes from those suggestions, since I replaced my stereo with a USB stick and haven't heard radio in about 3 years.

      I suppose somebody could still bribe video makers to feature songs in the background of their stuff, maybe 10% of my audio comes from that still.

    26. Re:Let it die. by TheLink · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > unless the band is willing to turn down on stage, and let me tell you that virtually never happens

      Yeah, because a band that plays that loud is usually extremely hearing impaired. If they turn it down they won't be able to hear themselves.

      So kids, if you do that "band thing" remember to use ear protection. Too bad so many musicians think they don't need it. Many end up being so deaf that they have problems hearing stuff even when the monitors are at max.

      In the racing industry the professionals don't think they're too cool to wear safety gear. Yes it does negatively affect their performance a bit, but it's worth it in the long term.

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    27. Re:Let it die. by drsmithy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Word of mouth only goes so far, and advertising is expensive.

      In the days of people having 100s (if not1000s) of "friends" on sites like Facebook, "word of mouth" is a hell of a lot more effective than it ever was before - and that's likely to remain true going forward.

    28. Re:Let it die. by russotto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just you wait: in 4 years, tops, "Hannah Montana" will be pulling a Britney-style selfdestruct.

      Don't think so. She's from a country music family. They've got a whole different style of self destruction.

    29. Re:Let it die. by Falconhell · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actaully, the way the drummer plays is the biggest influence on volume, a loud drummer gives the rest of the band little choice of how loud they play, they have to be able to hear themselves.

      Pete Townsend of The Who had hearing damage, which occoured due to excessive headphone volume in the recording studio, not live gigs.

      You do kinda have a point regarding volume, but in my experience it is not as big a problem as you may think. As exposure to loud levels is relatively short (At most about 2 hours at a time) the level needs to be very high to cause hearing damage.

      Despite mixing (Loudly)for 20 + years I have no hearing damage!

      I was always very careful to remove myself from the gig when not mixing, to avoid the usually loud distorted DJ music in beteween sets.

      More hearing problems result from loud industrial envronments where repeated exposure to loud uncompressed transients can last all day. Exposure time is the key factor.

      Few of the musos I worked with had hearing damage.

      Some kinds of music just do not work well unless at a relatively high volume.

      A classic example was Bob Marleys backing band The Wailers. I worked with them for a short tour once and they were incredibly loud, but mostly in the low bass area.

      This produced a most extraordinary effect, of the whole airmass in the room moving back and forth at very low frequency, producing an incerdible groove in the music.(Having 8X dual 24" sub woofers helped too)

    30. Re:Let it die. by Metrol · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, let me repeat that, advertising is very expensive.

      Why is this? I know this probably sounds hopelessly naive, but where do these "marketing" funds go to? I'm not talking about advertising a live show. More along the lines of how any of us ever heard of Miss Spears in the first place.

      It may be the more interesting aspect of this story isn't the record industry losing customers, but the younger generations skipping the main marketing arm of the recording industry, FM radio. The overtly corporate and hopelessly generic radio stations across the country all playing the exact same line up paid for by the "recording industry". I'm old enough to have witnessed this transition from edgy to safe FM stations in my life. Due to this I have satellite radio in my car, and I listen to streaming Internet stations at home.

      If FM survives the fall of the RIAA giants it will likely mean that stations will go back to when they chose for themselves what they would play. I think we'd all be better off if that kind of marketing money were to vanish.

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    31. Re:Let it die. by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As much as I know this is heated topic in slashdot -- and i probably get modded down for it

      Yeah, you will. Evidently 'flamebait' and 'troll' are the new 'I disagree with this person and am too lazy to write a good rebuttal' mods.

      the big label records AREN'T there to fuck everyone over.

      See, I was with you until you said that. I find the anti-business sentiment around here to be annoying and naive but I can likewise find no redeeming value from the big record labels. Their specialty seems to be litigation and lobbying, not music. They've run their business into the ground with a series of stupid decisions and if it wasn't for their lobbying clout and deep pockets would probably have been replaced by more nimble competitors a long time ago.

      But I think record labels are needed to support the artists.

      I would agree with that to a certain extent -- but I still refuse to give any RIAA member a penny of my money. I also agree with you that it's not really fair to pirate their product just because you don't like their business model. I've done my share of filesharing in my younger days but nowadays it's just not worth the hassle -- particularly when better stuff is available for a fair price from non-RIAA record labels.

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    32. Re:Let it die. by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The overtly corporate and hopelessly generic radio stations across the country

      It's fucking sad, isn't it? I can literally set my watch by the music that is played on local radio stations. Umm, Nickelback, it must be 4:30.......

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    33. Re:Let it die. by cencithomas · · Score: 2

      ...you will be paying $6000 for an entry level Shure or Newmann, if sound quality is valued.

      Ahem. Please to observe the industry-standard Shure SM58, used in studios and stages around the nation and around the world... $99.

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    34. Re:Let it die. by adona1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can see what you're saying, but the record labels are in the business of making money, and their product just happens to be music. Over the last century or so they built up a system where they controlled the creation (recording) and sale (distribution) of music, and basically artists had to suck it up or leave.

      That's not quite the case any more, and people are beginning to wise up to it. And the way labels have treated artists doesn't make people want to support them.

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    35. Re:Let it die. by nolife · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've never done any studies or analysis of what people like and why but it seems a lot of people like something after hearing more often and if someone else likes it or if it is trendy. Think about it, teens twenty years ago were listening to 80's music and loving it. Why aren't teens listening to 80's music now? If Eddie Grant's Electric Avenue was good and a number one hit then, shouldn't it be good and a popular hit now? Did humans somehow evolve and now naturally like some other type of music? The trend makes something "good" in pop music. How does the music industry take advantage of this? Pick a few artists to promote (get them interviews, guest appearances on popular tv shows, special contests with soda makers etc...). The music industry can only promote so many dumb blonds or a limited amount of any genre at a time. The music did not find the diamond in the rough with many of these stars, they promoted them to that position. Those artists would have the same talent with or without the music industries blessing. With less involvement of the music industry,the trendy part would change but I don't think the there would be a lack or good quality music. People might have to figure out what they consider good for themselves and not let the music industry do it for them.

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    36. Re:Let it die. by mrbcs · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I wonder if it has anything to do with that fact that the baby boomers don't buy music anymore and the generations behind them simply don't buy as much.

      I had to buy the original Rush albums 3 times because I wore them out. I bought two copies of Dark side of the moon, one album and one cd. I think that was a very dumb profit model, but that's how the music industry lived for years. The boomers were teh generation that bought their collections on album, then cassette, then finally cd. That will never happen again.

      Now we have a much smaller number of people in the "music buying age" who buy digital and never have to worry about it again.

      It's not rocket science. Less people, the shit doesn't break anymore and you can find most of it for free on the internet. I think the music industry is finished. They may stop the last one... but they'll never stop the first 2 points.

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    37. Re:Let it die. by Artifakt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ah, but the music industry has demonstrated its practices include replacing musicians who sell more with ones who sell less. Doubt it all you want, but really read up on the case of Prince - a proven seller, and the industry decided to enforce contract provisions that were so draconian that by their interpretation he couldn't use his own name to sign autographs, except on their schedule, at their formal events. Once you learn how his controllers made an attempt to break him that was like something out of the Prisoner TV show, all that business with the 'Artist formerly known as...' starts making much more sense from his point of view. And the industry's profits suffered right along with his, but what was important obviously wasn't the money but breaking a difficult artist.
            Here's some cases you might also google:
            1. the 5 original Planet of the Apes movies, each made for less budget than the last, each bringing in more money, while the studio involved put all the profits back into epic historical pictures that mostly never broke even.
            2. Roger Corman, the director who always shot within his budget and time limits, and whose films always made a profit, but who was personally insulted in vile terms by some of the biggest Hollywood studio heads, not for his film's quality but explicitly for making them look bad to stockholders.
            3. The Monkees, who made public appearances to prove they weren't lip syncing and faking all their instrument playing, and got undercut by their own management team for doing it.
            4. EMI's requesting in the 70's that certain artists be taken off the nominations for awards such as Grammies, either so that other EMI artists could win, or supposedly to trade favors with other recording companies. (I really should claim it was the whole industry, but EMI's actions were the only ones settled in court. Even though they lost a claim that specified they had partners in the act at all of the other recording giants, none of the others had to face lawsuits over it, AFAIK.).
            5. Disney and Pixar, up until after Monsters Inc. or so.

          Once you realize that the music and film industries have a real history of making 100% control the real issue and not money, the corollary becomes: It's not that people like "kiddie-shit artists", it's that the industry likes artists that will sign contracts giving the industry massive amounts of control over their personal lives and creative processes, and those tend to be young and stupid.

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    38. Re:Let it die. by Eil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't believe me? Go spend a few hours on youtube.

      THIS.

      The music industry's days are numbered. They've shown themselves to be nothing but a boatload of evil over the last decade, but that's not why they're going down. They're going down because they have been replaced by technology. As many (and I do mean many) here on Slashdot have noted again and again, the record company's job is two-fold:

      1. Production
      2. Promotion

      As far as #1, a few hundred bucks will get you good low end--but good enough--equipment to put together a few tracks or even an entire album that sounds decent enough to play on the radio. Sure, you'll need some practice and theoretical knowledge of audio production to get a good result. But that's hardly an insurmountable barrier. If an artist can learn the science and art of their instruments well enough to make good music, they can learn too how to record it properly. I totally do not buy the whole "you need an expensive veteran producer to get anywhere" argument.

      And for #2, there are multiple outlets locally and on the web for an artist to get themselves noticed. YouTube being a prime example. Technology is making it incredibly easy to self-promote. Social networking sites are freakin' gold when it comes to word-of-mouth style advertising. They're allowing people to share cool stuff with their circle of friends in a way that never existed before. Yes, you have to put in a tremendous amount of effort to distinguish yourself as a signal among the noise, but that's true whether you're signed with a major label or not.

      I hope I'm right about the future and that we'll start to see a lot more changes for the better in terms of music culture. From where I stand, the traditional music industry's days are certainly numbered and I believe their actions indicate that they are fully aware of it.

    39. Re:Let it die. by blitzkrieg3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, you will. Evidently 'flamebait' and 'troll' are the new 'I disagree with this person and am too lazy to write a good rebuttal' mods.

      New? I think this has been happening since the mod system came out...

    40. Re:Let it die. by TheLink · · Score: 2, Informative

      > Despite mixing (Loudly)for 20 + years I have no hearing damage!

      Maybe you're tougher or more resilient. But have you actually had your hearing tested?

      I know a musician who went to get tested and he found that there are some frequencies in the normal range that he totally cannot hear - I guess the relevant hair cells have been blasted to death. But his hearing is still reasonably functional (I'm sure he did notice some problems that's why he went to get tested).

      It doesn't get better with age though (unless the technology improves a lot ;) ).

      On my own self tests my hearing is crap. I don't think I have a 90dB dynamic range - I think it's more like 50-60dB :(. But at least I can still hear 18KHz though I'm in my 30s.

      The hearing damage thing can be a vicious circle - you get damaged, so you turn up the volume on your headphones, then you get even more damaged.

      Ears aren't as easily damaged by very loud and very low bass. Unless it gets to ridiculously loud levels, in which case there are also other risks e.g. ruptured lungs http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3614180.stm

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    41. Re:Let it die. by tsm_sf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I find the anti-business sentiment around here to be annoying and naive[...]

      I have to butt in on this. There is no anti-business sentiment on slashdot. There is an anti-getting-screwed-over sentiment. I don't know when we started equating "not buying their bullshit" with "anti-business", but it's a pretty scary trend.

      Personally, I feel that this has been driven by an influx of young republicans (sorry, libertarians) without a lot of real world experience. If you've never worked in a corporate environment, it would be hard to believe how twisted some people are.

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    42. Re:Let it die. by ThePromenader · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The music industry has always been fucking us over, it's only their tactics that have changed; it is interesting to note that their 'jump the shark' moment came when they were making the most money, because it was then that they refused to evolve with the market.

      To elaborate on the evolution of 'fucking over': From its early (quite honest) goals of trying to appeal to as many listeners as possible, the music industry tried to influence and control the airwaves (airtime = records sold) to make themselves even more the only 'door' to stardom... but as we grew more educated (especially in recent years), the industry began targeting a younger and younger audience (explaining the '13-17-year-old' statistics mentioned ITFA - even the thought that this bracket is considered by them to be a major source of income is disgusting) and even 'creating' artists (with doubtful talents) especially for them. They have been stuck in this rut since the CD heyday - from the early 90's. In short, the music industry is failing because they are failing, through all their (expensive) manipulations, to keep the market mentality and structure exactly the way it was then.

      I personally don't care who gets the money when I buy an album, but hearing a catchy tune that interests me is not easy these days - I used to rely on internet radio stations, but these seem to be coming under the influence of the mainstream as well. The more popular streaming sites (Deezer, etc) will probably go that way as well.

      The irony of it all is that I can't help but thinking that the early music-industry days could be a good model: when there was only radio and records, we would buy the record to get the entire album (also instead of having to wait by the radio for hours to hear our favourite song); even when cassettes appeared, there was no comparing the quality of an original album to the sound of a cassette copy.

      If the music industry really wanted to protect itself, it would have to evolve with the market, as well as working (objectively, not profit-oriented-ly) with other organisations to find a definite definition of 'piracy' that could be put into law.

      The music industry would fare much better if it were illegal to a) make an entire album available in one place at one time for free and/or b) provide for free music above a certain quality.

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    43. Re:Let it die. by damburger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah, the struggling musician chestnut. Do you know what? Musicians should struggle, because teachers, nurses, scientists, construction workers, and every other fucker in the economy has to struggle. Musicians, for a brief period of modern history, were able to make income beyond that they were given for their performances. That era is coming to an end, and there is no a priori reason why it should not.

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    44. Re:Let it die. by damburger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed. Capitalism might seem like beautiful mathematical perfection to anybody who hasn't been under its heel 50 hours a week. Libertarianism rarely survives ones first graduate job.

      And for the record, fuck yes I am anti-business. Corporations are, from my personal experience, a completely malignant form of social and economic organisation. I have found them to be places that stifle creativity, individuality, hope and happiness.

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    45. Re:Let it die. by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To me their ultimate "jump the shark" or "nuke the fridge" as the kids say, was when they made the music unlistenable. This is why I only buy from local independent artists now, because they are actually the ones that compose the music and therefor don't want it sounding like shit.

      I had the pleasure of helping an old friend to convert his LP collection to MP3, and we took the "Pepsi test" by comparing his original 70s albums with the "remastered" CDs you buy in stores today. Frankly I wouldn't call the "product" the CDs had on them music. Compare say....Bat Out Of Hell 1, or Queen A Night At The Opera with the 'remastered' and it seems like a bad joke. The CD sounds like it is being broadcast down a long distance telephone line with all the compression. Why would anyone want to buy product that sounds like dogshit?

      Sadly 'articles' like this prove that it doesn't matter whether you are legal or not, all they know how to do is scream "Piracy!" and demand more cash and more draconian laws. Before the loudness war I bought quite a few CDs, now I buy none. They will of course put me down as a pirate even though I wouldn't take their product even if offered for free on a silver platter. They will just keep pushing more insane laws with treasonous bribery....err I mean lobbying, while the young simply ignore the laws because they are bullshit. Maybe if they would actually put out a usable product at a decent price their sales would pick up? Nah, that's just crazy talk. I'm waiting for them to be labeled "too big to fail" and just get a check from us monthly whether we want their "product" or not.

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    46. Re:Let it die. by JakartaDean · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And finally, the main reason: - replacement of almost all talented acts that produced good music, with hyperproduced kiddie-shit "artists" whose assets are not musical talent or singing voices, but barely-covered bikini bottoms and tits. Just you wait: in 4 years, tops, "Hannah Montana" will be pulling a Britney-style selfdestruct. And neither of them are capable of producing "music" even remotely worth listening to.

      I believe you're right, but it's just a belief, not supported by conclusive fact. However, we may on the verge of having one important data point to help settle the argument: Michael Jackson's IP collection. As I understand it, he spent about $500 million to buy the rights to a bunch of Beatles's tunes and other music. Some of the "experts" in the media were saying after he died that it could be worth as much as $2 billion now. If that turns out to be true, either:

      a) the music business is doing just fine; or

      b) the music business used to produce popular stuff, but current sales of contemporary artists are way down.

      If the second turns out to be true, the *IAA have only themselves to blame. If it's the first, then there's nothing to complain about. So, in my view, if the MJ collection has quadrupled in value, the *IAA members may have to learn to STFU. Me, I can't wait.

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    47. Re:Let it die. by damburger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What bugged me most about the loudness war was the overt contempt it showed for listeners. Those behind it clearly considered people who bought records as little more than Pavlov's dogs, who could be conditioned to respond predictably to a simple sensory stimulus (loud music). Dynamic range compression is, to me, a microcosm of pretty much everything that is rotten about western capitalism.

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    48. Re:Let it die. by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What mostly surprised me about the loudness war is that no artists seem to be pissed off enough about it to just include 2 CD's in the sleeve; a "compressed for airplay" and a "good" version of the same tracks.
      As I understand it, compression only happens at the very end of the mixing process and pressing an additional disc is cheap.

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    49. Re:Let it die. by bemymonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Hi, the 1950's called and they want their arguments back. I know a few musicians who can afford their own studio setups that are just as good as anything you'll find in the 'major labels'. Studio time isn't that big of a barrier to entry anymore."

      I have a hard time believing the bolded part... unless these people bought the studio instead of a house, it's unlikely that an unsigned musician (especially a professional one!) can afford to put that much money into a studio. Sure, home recording setups for say under $10k are getting better daily, but there's still a long way to go until they're at studio quality. Most people just don't realize that the acoustic properties of a recording studio are one of the more expensive parts... having a closet full of $100k worth of mics and outboard isn't worth shit unless you've got a decent sounding room :)

    50. Re:Let it die. by bemymonkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      No.

    51. Re:Let it die. by Falconhell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dont even start me on modern "Mastering" techniques because it seems there no such thing.
      The modern method is compress evertything all the time, eliminating the dynamic range of the music.

      Drummers definitely do set the volume, and to some extent the louder they play the better. When one is running 12-16 open mics, the accumulative noise from all of them becomes significant, so the louder the level coming from a given mic, the less noise in the mix.

      A soft drummer does not get the same tones as a louder one. When gained up to reach the correct level more noise is induced to a mix.

      Drums often have 6-8 mics so a significant increase in noise occours and another problem ,"spill" the unwanted sound from other nearby instruments is also increased.

      Not to say there should be no dynamic though, good musicians and (-: can indeed play well both loudly and softly-at the relevant times.

      Some musical styles do not really work at to quiet a volume. I have played in bands too, and I like a fairly loud stage volume myself.....

      There is an impact to bass produced from huge ammounts of speaker cone that no smaller system can emulate.

      Oh and BTW, Shhhh, civilians are not supposed to know about the pschycho acoustic thing....they might realise...the truth!!!

      What was that about getting my shearing checked?

    52. Re:Let it die. by SlashWombat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lets face it, the Music Industry have only themselves to blame. At one time, the various musical genre's could be counted on one hand. Around the 1970's, all of a sudden the "Music industry" added 10 or more "new" ones. (Lets see, Punk, Hip-Hop, Rap, new wave, ... ).

      Lets face it, the disposable income of the music buying public has been significantly impacted by many things (IE: mobile phones, Computer Video games ...) Now with technology moving on, there is significantly more competition for their product, yet they refuse to acknowledge this competition. While I doubt that the industry will totally wither away, there will be a long period of adjustment. (Good riddance to the loser's. Perhaps some genuine competition will occur with those that remain.)

    53. Re:Let it die. by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no anti-business sentiment on slashdot. There is an anti-getting-screwed-over sentiment. I don't know when we started equating "not buying their bullshit" with "anti-business", but it's a pretty scary trend.

      I'm not a big fan of getting screwed over either. I just don't advocate governmental intervention to deal with companies/industries that have screwed me over. I just don't do business with them. I don't buy music from RIAA labels, I don't do business with credit card companies that have mandatory arbitration agreements, I don't do business with American Airlines (a rather long story but suffice it to say they screwed me over once too), etc, etc.

      If you've never worked in a corporate environment, it would be hard to believe how twisted some people are.

      I've worked in corporate environments for the last 15 years and my main observation is that they are infested with bureaucracy (too much management), indecision/inertia (we've always done it THIS WAY...) and Dilbert stereotypes (particularly the PHB, marketing guys, and Wally). I don't think most of them are really "twisted" though. I think it's a side effect of any large organization. Take a look at any Governmental agency and you'll see the same thing -- except in those agencies you'll find more Wally's because they know that they have lifetime employment if they don't screw up too bad.

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    54. Re:Let it die. by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Libertarianism rarely survives ones first graduate job.

      Liberalism rarely survives ones first paycheck and the discovery of how much of your money the Government is taking from you. To borrow a quote, "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."

      And for the record, fuck yes I am anti-business. Corporations are, from my personal experience, a completely malignant form of social and economic organisation. I have found them to be places that stifle creativity, individuality, hope and happiness.

      Got a better suggestion? For all it's flaws our capitalist system has produced much of the wealth and technology that we take for granted. I've yet to see a system that I'd rather live under.

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    55. Re:Let it die. by Nursie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Liberalism rarely survives ones first paycheck and the discovery of how much of your money the Government is taking from you. To borrow a quote, "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."

      What is this "liberalism" you're talking about?

      Because there's nothing incompatible between liberalism, social freedom and fiscal responsibility. There's nothing illiberal about insisting on a small government that doesn't interfere in people's lives. Hell, classical liberalism is basically a milder form of libertarianism. The fact that it's not represented in politics has no bearing on what it is.

      Oh, did you mean the big bad american boogie-man, the liberal who's coming for your guns and wants to give all your money to poor, gay minorities?

      Yeah, that's about as much to do with liberalism as the abstinence-only, fundamentalist, intelligent-design teaching US christian right is conservative.

    56. Re:Let it die. by NickFortune · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As much as I know this is heated topic in slashdot -- and i probably get modded down for it -- the big label records AREN'T there to fuck everyone over

      Correct! They are there to make money for their shareholders. Fucking people over is just an side effect. As is producing music, for that matter.

      But I think record labels are needed to support the artists.

      Difficult to really justify that one in this day and age, I can't help thinking. I it's difficult to justify it as an isolated proposition. It gets even harder when you look at the wider picture. Does the labels' patchy, self-interested and outmoded support of their artists justify the ludicrous profit margins that result from the cartel's carefully manipulated artificial shortage? I think not. Does it justify the war of terror they've waged against random people with internet connections? Most people would not say so. Does it justify restricting the flow of music back to pre-Internet levels just to preserve those over-inflated profit margins?

      You said in your first post

      You might like to come live in the current world

      Allow me to extend to you that same invitation.

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    57. Re:Let it die. by Locklin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Musicians, for a brief period of modern history, were able to make income beyond that they were given for their performances.

      Correction, a very small number of musicians were able to make that income. The "lottery" mentality works very well when trying to manipulate young musicians into signing away ownership of their creations.

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    58. Re:Let it die. by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have to butt in on this. There is no anti-business sentiment on slashdot. There is an anti-getting-screwed-over sentiment. I don't know when we started equating "not buying their bullshit" with "anti-business", but it's a pretty scary trend.

      Getting screwed over is business as usual these days. So anti-getting-screwed-over IS anti-business sentiment. Ethical companies that provide high quality services get undercut by those who cut corners, and everyone loses. It doesn't help that every time we try to fix a problem, the Whatever Business Association complains that any regulation will interfere with their racket, er, business.

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    59. Re:Let it die. by Hatta · · Score: 2, Informative

      But a government-run monopoly (like medicare) is far far worse.

      Is that so?

      Medicare out-performs private sector plans in terms of patients' satisfaction with quality of care, access to care, and overall insurance ratings. The survey found that elderly Medicare beneficiaries are 2.7 times more likely than enrollees in employer-sponsored plans to rate their health insurance as excellent and less likely to report negative experiences with their insurance plans. Medicare beneficiaries are also one-third as likely to say they couldn't get health care because of cost than are those covered by employer private insurance plans. The survey also found that elderly Medicare beneficiaries were more likely to report being very satisfied with the care they received compared to those with private insurance (62% vs. 51% respectively).

      The government is at least potentially answerable to the people it serves. Corporations are only answerable to their share holders (and often not even that). Government run services are also run for the common good, whereas corporations are run for private profit. The two seldom intersect.

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    60. Re:Let it die. by Svartalf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Heh... I pretty much won't take their stuff if they tried to force it on me, never mind the silver platter. Most of it all is pretty craptastic these days and I pretty much treat the "remastered" stuff like it was infested with the black plague (For more than one reason, even...I don't appreciate being treated like I was a thief or infringer...).

      Word has it, though, that Guns and Roses just recently released an album with NO compression and you can tell the quality difference even over the radio. They stand out like a lighthouse during a storm according to the reports from others.

      Wouldn't know, though. I've opted out of listening to the Radio because of things like the labels' conduct over the last 10 or so years, the Loudness Wars included in it. I don't buy the stuff they're peddling over the airwaves or in the music stores. I get better from unsigned acts, including folk music artists- and they don't muck with the audio or treat me like a thief.

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  2. Film at 11. by palegray.net · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Industry with a track record of charging insane prices for crappy products, ripping off artists who they claim to represent, and developing a business model of suing their own customers in gross abuse of the legal process is experiencing financial difficulties. We'll be providing blow-by-blow coverage.

    1. Re:Film at 11. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      We'll be providing blow-by-blow coverage.

      That's great! Just don't forget the hookers.

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    2. Re:Film at 11. by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It really is bizarre, much more than the usual situation. Actors and directors, for example, kvetch about Hollywood, but I haven't seen nearly the same level of anti-studio invective from prominent directors and actors as I have seen anti-music-industry invective from prominent musicians. The RIAA types seem to have done a remarkably thorough job in pissing off the people they claim to represent, across a wide swathe of genres.

  3. irony by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An article about an industry that is dying, published by an industry that is dying. Both are being killed by the same new technology.

    1. Re:irony by Saxerman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Right, these are RIAA numbers. Since when did we care what spin doctoring they did to their own numbers to try and justify their war on piracy? The only slant this article gives the numbers is that there are more and growing opportunities to listen to music for free... a fact the RIAA mentioned no where. But, guess what? Since around the 1950s or so, we've all been able to listen to music for free over the radio. And the Boston Strangler aside, the advent of the portable music player has only made music more accessible.

      The fact that we're in a fairly serious global recession coupled to the inflation they sprinkle on the numbers might make them look tragic. But last I checked, everyone still wants music. They just don't have as much to spend on it right now. I don't see the music industry going anywhere.

      Well, the major labels might vanish. But they stopped being a required piece of the music industry more than 10 years ago. Course, they won't really vanish unless their copyrights actually expire. Or our generation dies out and is replaced by a culture that believes music should be enjoyed rather than owned.

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  4. Re:Streaming services by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Somehow the fact that you refer to pirated music as "warez" makes me somewhat skeptical that you have ever actually done so. Warez is the term for cracked software, not music.

    That aside, streaming music services are at least as bad as the ITMS and similar services for the music industry. Back prior to all that hogwash you were pretty limited in your ability to buy music in single track increments. Sure you could get a single, but you couldn't buy 8 out of 11 songs, and if you wanted a song which wasn't as popular you were stuck with buying the album.

    These days, that's not how it's done, you only have to listen to the songs you like without ever having paid for the rest of the tracks. I'm sure that sounds good in theory. But take a look back at previous albums, I doubt most people would've really appreciated the higher quality of Nirvana's Nevermind over their later In Utero, worse in a sense is that if you clip off the non-music from In Utero it's would seem like a better period of work. As things are done more and more like that there is less and less incentive to spread the effort out, rather than focusing on a quality album experience to justify buying the album, that time and money tends to get funneled into a couple of tracks.

    That and the generally poor production quality of so many albums pretty much insures that quality music is going to be much harder to come by than it has been in the past. If we get really lucky, all of this will be largely neutralized by the increasing easy of independent groups getting exposure and producing their own work without the suits.

  5. The traditional music industry is a buggy whip by lena_10326 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The artist will win. No more signing away most your rights with shady contracts. No more skimming 99.9 cents on the dollar for CD sales. No more lock in for future albums. Artists are making their money by selling direct to consumers with online distribution channels because it gives the unknown artist a shot. It also promotes better music because when the consumer has better choice, they will choose better music.

    The direct sales channels will continue to grow and standardize so I expect the traditional industry losses will accelerate.

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    1. Re:The traditional music industry is a buggy whip by cobrachaos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe its a sign of a revolution of free thinkers! After all MTV is the Queen of spoonfeeding the masses the crap we've had to endure for the past twenty years, how else will I know what type of music I like unless they tell me so? yeah I said queen, cause lets face it we're all just ants to them.

    2. Re:The traditional music industry is a buggy whip by FormerComposer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It also promotes better music because when the consumer has better choice, they will choose better music.

      I got out of the retail record business over 25 years ago because the industry was rapidly losing its customers to consumers. They weren't choosing better music; they were choosing cheaper music. Saving 50 cents on Saturday Night Fever was more important than their store actually having a wide selection of interesting sounds. Eventually, it wasn't worth it to stock the better; only the popular.

      I blame the Decline of Western Civilization on the Rise of the Consumer. YMMV.

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    3. Re:The traditional music industry is a buggy whip by countertrolling · · Score: 3, Funny

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  6. The reason... by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason why streaming music is taking over is because radio is crap. Seriously, if you don't like hip hop, pop, country or classic rock, there are -no- stations other than that anymore. If you have musical tastes other than that, too bad. You won't find any terrestrial radio that plays that. So because of that people stream more, in general streaming music ends up being better and have a greater variety. If I can't find a terrestrial radio station that plays music I like, I'm going to then listen to streaming music. Because of that, why buy the music when you can with a bit of searching find the streaming music?

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    1. Re:The reason... by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The radio plays those genres? I thought it just played DJ's and ads.

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    2. Re:The reason... by intx13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The reason why streaming music is taking over is because radio is crap. Seriously, if you don't like hip hop, pop, country or classic rock, there are -no- stations other than that anymore. If you have musical tastes other than that, too bad.

      You could easily write that as: "If you have musical tastes that aren't the same as the majority, too bad." But that's pretty much expected, right? Imagine liking orchestral music when big band took off. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "crap". A lot of people like Miley Cyrus and don't care if it's not skillfully performed music. Radio, like any limited-spectrum broadcast medium, caters to the majority.

      If dislike in radio genres was substantial enough to impact the music industry's bottom line (via "switchers" to streaming media) the radio stations would adjust accordingly.

      I think what is increasing demand in streaming media is availability, ease of use, and cost. The state of streaming "Internet radio" 10 years ago was pitiful. Since then we have standardized technologies, better quality, and (however grudgingly) music label support. Along with reasonable costs (free in many cases!), increased access to high-bandwidth Internet connections, and more legitimacy in not owning physical albums, tapes, CDs, etc. streaming becomes a viable media delivery method.

  7. "Music Industry" by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If by music industry you mean anything that is distributed in the form of iTunes or mp3's with a useful half life of a month or so, I'm all for its demise and good riddance.

    The vast majority of that sort of stuff is dung. If we are talking about taxing cigarettes and sugary carbonated soda and fast food, no reason to not extend that to this sort of "music" as well.

    Once this sort of stuff is gone maybe people will get a chance to listen to real music, in person or played back on high-fidelity equipment.

    It might be an epiphany.

  8. Decimated... by HisMother · · Score: 4, Informative
    ... refers to the loss of one out of ten soldiers. If their sales are down by half, they've already been decimated five times over.

    </pedantry>

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    1. Re:Decimated... by Tau+Neutrino · · Score: 5, Funny

      If their sales are down by half, they've already been decimated five times over.

      Actually, if sales had been decimated once, they would be at 90% of their previous level. Twice, they'd be at 81%. Five times, at 59.049%.

      To get to 50%, they'd have to have been decimated approximately 6.578 times.

      Pedantic even longer.

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    2. Re:Decimated... by xigxag · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Every single time someone uses the word "decimated" online, this comes up. Actually your definition is misleading to the point of being useless. "Decimated" didn't refer to the mere LOSS of ten percent of soldiers, as if toppled by enemy forces. It was unique form of punishment inflicted on mutinous legions which involved selecting 10% of their ranks by lot to be killed, and forcing the remaining 90% to execute the sentence. This punishment no longer exists, so the word has been repurposed to mean any large-scale ruthless culling. Why is it so objectionable for a word to change meaning over 2000 years?

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    3. Re:Decimated... by Chemisor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe in Roman times it did. These days it means "drastically reduced", or perhaps "down to one-tenth". Meaning of words changes. Get the f*@k over it already!

  9. Update the pricing of music by zlel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There was once, music tapes cost SGD $8. When CDs hit the market, they cost SGD $30, but it was promised that they would go down to the same price as tapes one day. Isn't it time to sell full albums at SGD $5, considering the volume that the music industry is able to produce? Isn't that what industries do best - to give what the market wants at a cost leveraged by the economics of scale? Given that the packaging that comes with the CD does cost something to make, but essentially, isn't music, as a commodity, like software - make once, and sell it many times over? Given the international market exposed by the internet, is online music, too, overpriced? Or perhaps society needs to rethink the place of musicians - perhaps they could be like open source software authors, who have a day job?

  10. Record Industry by bjustice · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Record Industry's Crisis Writ Large

    There, fixed that for you. The record industry is the one that makes money on recordings. The music industry is the one that makes money on music in general including concerts. The music industry is fine and will be fine. The record industry is fucked.

    1. Re:Record Industry by Relic+of+the+Future · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Absolutely right! There are more artists, making more music, doing more concerts, and pulling in more money, than ever before. Music is doing fine. Selling records is the only thing that's hurting. (Requisite car analogy: it wasn't the transportation industry that cars put out of business, it was the horse and buggy industry.)

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  11. Re:CDs are for old people by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    CD used to be worth buying prior to the RIAA getting greedy and homogenizing the music into bland Muzak. To make matters worse, all new and re-released albums suffer from the "Loudness War" mastering. So before all this crap happened in the industry, CDs were about quality and hi-fidelity.

    FYI, I treat my old stock CDs like faberge eggs. Priceless!

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  12. Music industry not dying by RedWizzard · · Score: 4, Informative
    It's not the music industry that's dying, it's the recording industry. It's become clear that the money people are not spending on recorded music they are instead spending on live music:

    These reports all say the same thing: concert ticket sales growth more than makes up for the decline in recorded music sales.

  13. Streaming in the 80s by GPLHost-Thomas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I was a teen, about 15 years ago, I was also listening to streams. But at the time, it was called ... FM radio!

  14. Hi. by tthomas48 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hi. I'm the American actor, violinist, ballet dancer, and sculptor. We have little sympathy. Welcome back to having to make art because you love it, and not because you expect it to be a lottery ticket.

  15. The $250,000 economy car by zogger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These "music industry" people want the equivalent of 250 thou for a 25 grand commuter car. nuts. They wonder why sales are off, whereas a billion music purchasers know exactly why sales are off, they just don't feel like getting price gouged anymore.

    I suggest the "music industry" lay off all the coke and booze for a year or two then come back and rethink their stance on pricing, for digital bits down the tubes or the same digital bits on two cents worth of plastic. Their "per unit" pricing is from decades ago, it doesn't come close to anything rational anymore. When it was very expensive to make a copy for sale, sure, it was understandable, but now, today?? Who are they kidding besides themselves?

        Tech advances and much cheaper bandwith should have allowed them to both drop prices dramatically, plus increase sales dramatically, instead, they have clung to those old price models like a wino to a jug of t-bird with ten drops left swirling around the bottom. It's pathetic really. I bought music pretty steady from the late 50s until the 90s, that's forty years of being a customer..then...just finally one day got annoyed with the price gouging, quit then, my one guy boycott. I don't pirate, but I won't pay those ludicrous prices either for some digital download copy (a buck for a few megs, who do they thing they are, telco ringtone sellers??), and certainly not a lot of folding dollars for a dime's worth of plastic with some cardboard "liner" nonsense.

    OK, maybe the car analogy sucks, how about computers? A decade ago, what did a decent desktop system go for, and what were the specs? Now, today, you can get something much faster, with equivalent increases in installed RAM and larger HDD and better video card etc, and for much less cash. You gets lots more, for less money, because of tech advances. And that's tangible hardware, manufactured stuff.

        A decade ago, an album cost how much? And what do they want for it today? Oh ya, the same. And to *download* it they want similar loot? HAHAHAHA

        Like I said, "nuts", you lost a good customer for being price gougers. In fact, looks like you lost millions and millions of customers, and the younger folks are starting to not even *be* customers in the first place, because they know even better that those "copies" just aren't worth what you ask.

    1. Re:The $250,000 economy car by frogjimmy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      These "music industry" people want the equivalent of 250 thou for a 25 grand commuter car. nuts.

      I am a music aficionado (who isn't) who has a massive CD collection nearing a thousand. There are three CDs that came out within the last 9 month that were released at a price of over $22 per disc. Brand new. Take note suffering industry, as this is what I did: 1) Got mad as hell. 2) Downloaded EACH album. Free. 3) Resigned for these acts to come to Toronto on tour, and buy the CD from them. Even if it is $22 at the door, I know the batsh!t insane markup goes into their pocket and not HMV. This is what happens when people care. They find solutions that work for them.

  16. (S)he who sings by the sword, falls by the sword. by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The way I see it, the recording/copying technology created the industry in the first place at the cost of local/family musicians. The next iteration of technology made them obsolete. Recording execs are like telephone switchboard operators - one wave of technology created the role, the next wave destroys it. They're just trying to manipulate the law to defy the reality of technology ... why should this be different than any other industry since the start of the industrial revolution? (oh right, nobody's "profiting" off this change - can't allow anything to happen that doesn't make the rich richer, can we?).

  17. Correlation isn't causality by wonkavader · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd like to know what titles people were buying as CDs in 1999. New stuff or old?

    Could it be that people were replacing their vinyl in 1999 and before, and that the whole peak in 1999 was really an effect of replacing one version of something with another? I'm not saying that the decline isn't real, I'm suggesting that the curve is much less than it seems and the peak is artificially high.

  18. Let's be honest with ourselves... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A little bit of common sense is in order for this topic. A lot of people seem to be on the right track, though.

    The main consumers of new music tend to be people younger than 30. The average person in that age range, for the most part, grew up with the internet in their home. Napster alone is 10 years old, and how many million people were using that? MP3's were around and traded long before that, too. I myself am a youngin' compared to a lot here on /. and I remember trading .wav files for music swapping before mp3's were the norm.

    Let's face it. No one can reasonably believe that the record industry couldn't come up with something better for distribution in the 10 years since Napster. Consumers have become disillusioned and know they're being taken for a ride every time they buy a CD. I have a hard time justifying even walking into a record store, unless it's privately owned. If it's a chain, I laugh at the older people inside as I walk by.

    The radio is being programmed by computers based on how much radio advertising dollars can be generated. There is NO variety in the music whatsoever on terrestrial radio, and you'd know it too if you could catch a few songs back to back. But... when's the last time that's happened?
    I haven't been able to go 15 minutes on any given station without hearing 5 minutes of commercials. They even have commercials promoting the station you're already listening to. And, to top it off, some of those commercials advertise how few advertisements the station has as compared to the other station in your town that plays the same songs and to complete the cycle of absurdity, you can bet your ass both stations are owned by the same company... Clear Channel. The people who still listen to terrestrial radio do so only when there is no other option. It's the musical equivalent of public transportation.

    It's their own fault no one wants to buy a CD to listen to the same garbage they hear every 30 minutes on the radio, too. Who the hell wants to hear the same garbage on CD's, that they're forced to listen to already on the radio. Nothx.

    Americans lost the right to choose what they listen to years ago. The internet is giving it back to them. It seems only natural that this would happen to the recording industry. But hey... the recording industry made a SHITLOAD of money, right?
    What I can't figure out is how can they still feel sorry for themselves, and how can they expect consumers to feel sorry for them?

  19. You Only Rip Me Off Once by Nightspirit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I bought the first Velvet Revolver CD, which installed a rootkit on the computer to prevent you from doing anything other than listening to some shitty WMA files. After that I swore I would never buy a CD again, and I haven't. You only screw me once. So until we have no DRM and a perpetual license (buy the music once, have the rights to any format) I'm done playing their game.

    1. Re:You Only Rip Me Off Once by Nightspirit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I refuse to give up culture just because it is a one-sided deal.

    2. Re:You Only Rip Me Off Once by SavTM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right. But i bet you're not done listening to their music. As other posters above have pointed out, using the "I don't like their sales methods/restrictions and until they give me what i want i'm going to infringe their copyrights" is a pretty self-serving argument.

      Except that *they* don't actually own all the music anymore. Small and independent labels have a larger share of the pie. You can still see live performances, listen to the radio and experience the music while following a set of personal restrictions specifically designed to deny revenue and profit to the segments of the industry you don't like. You know, "Walk the walk," like you say.

      The problem with the record industry, from my perspective, is that even after I've walked the walk for over a decade, they're still not bankrupt and they still haven't corrected or repudiated their methods. They still believe their best customers are criminals, they still believe locking the schlock they shill up in a hermetically-sealed DRM container will protect the profit-value of their investment. Sure they miss the dollars I spend on other things now, but they are so incompetent that they've invented metrics to rationalize my (and other music lover's) absence from their marketplace. It's a sad state of affairs.

      Most artists recognize that myspace and twitter can do for free what used to require a record contract and thousands of dollars in contract debt to produce. Frankly, I think most music fans are ready to embrace building the *new* industry after the current hegemony has been Rasputin'd. Right now, the large labels are just holding back the smaller labels that aren't completely out-of-touch with their audience. That's JMHO, though.

  20. What do you get for the music fan who has it all? by Aurisor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think a lot of the discussion around this issue ignores the fundamental fact that most of the activity in the music industry for the past twenty years has been due to the need for the music-consuming public to 'catch up' on the music that has been produced in the last 500 years or so. The industry went out of its way to force us to re-acquire this back catalog first on tape (replacing vinyl) and then cd (replacing tape). The bottom line is that the actual amount of salable new music produced each year is tiny compared to the amount of new material being produced.

    I view the late 90s as an enormous aberration in history. The back catalogs of western music were basically thrown open to the public and there was just this frenzy of buying as well as looting (piracy). Now the cat is largely out of the bag, and the industry (in whatever form it survives) will have to get back to reality and balance its expenditures with whatever it actually is producing. Unfortunately for them, without some massive disruption in continuity of digital information, they will never have an opportunity to re-sell that many hundred years of human labor again.

    (The previous two paragraphs are based on conjecture, anecdotes, and my own reasoning. I think my conclusions are fairly pedestrian, but if anyone has any statistics or studies as to the revenue generated by back catalog, I'd be interested to see them.)

  21. "hot" mixed music sounds like crap by Gothmolly · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.prorec.com/Articles/tabid/109/EntryId/247/Over-the-Limit.aspx

    RTFA, its a long one but a good one. Why do you think that the music on radio fails to hold your attention, or fails to impress?

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  22. What happened t that Fat Tail? by hemp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    80 percent of all revenue came from about 52,000 songs. That's less than one percent of the songs.

    So much for the internets "fat tail".

    I am predicting that the book industry will soon find itself in the same boat as devices like the Kindle become more.

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  23. Homemade music is best by FranTaylor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My wife can bang out old Beatles classics on her guitar all day, and it cheers me up a thousand times more than any of the crap on the radio or the Internet.

    Sometimes I suggest a song to her that she doesn't know. She takes this as a challenge, learns the song, and then serenades me with it.

    Life is good.

    1. Re:Homemade music is best by mano.m · · Score: 2, Funny

      It won't seem so special once wives are downloadable.

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    2. Re:Homemade music is best by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... it cheers me up...

      Yeah, right... You just get off on the lesbian frission when she sings "When I Saw Her Standing There".

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  24. Re:Streaming services by ethana2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I get my music from jamendo. It's creative commons licensed and awesome. As for software, I do it with Ubuntu. --and let me tell you, Freedom IS the way to go.

  25. Re:CDs are for old people by Stormwatch · · Score: 2, Funny

    FYI, I treat my old stock CDs like faberge eggs. Priceless!

    Don't be selfish. If you have good stuff, start a torrent of it!

  26. chemlab.org by DrugCheese · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I listen to music the RIAA does not own, but they'll still shut them down because they think it's infringing on their bottom line.

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  27. Resurgence for FM Radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I read in a few of the comments posted here that many of the users here believe that this bodes ill for FM Radio. As someone that was just recently laid off from the interactive portion of a large radio broadcaster here in the states, I can tell you the only thing that will kill FM radio is FM radio.

    What I mean by that is that the broadcasters themselves, like the rest of the music industry, have largely been highly resistant to change. Be it the embracing of interactive advertising, or even recognizing that they now have a lot more competitors than just the other radio stations across the street (Hi Internet Radio!!).

    The way I see it, this is an amazing opportunity for music in-general to become much more highly diversified and with more emphasis on bands being local/regional sensations rather than the end-goal of national/international sensations (although that possibility will always be there). Anyway, local FM radio stations could very well be positioned to be the thought/taste leaders when it comes to which local/regional bands become "big." A hearkening back to the hay-day Program Directors and DJs had in the 80s where they pretty much ruled the roost in radio stations and had much more weight in determining which bands became popular. It would allow each radio station to become a sort of... mini-label in and of itself.

    However, FM radio has been moving away from local largely due to Clear Channel and its crowd-sourcing, cost-cutting efforts of sharing content across stations/regions. But perhaps with how the economy has been kicking CC's butt, this trend could change. But it will take time, and it will take some of the larger broadcasters taking a risk. Will it happen, I don't know. But the opportunity I think definitely exists.

  28. Not streaming: missing option by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

    The graph is indeed pretty illustrative, but to suggest the CD is being killed off by streaming is misleading, because they don't graph the main competitor to the CD.

    That's right, the minidisc.

  29. Wow, so that is what delusion looks like by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The records labels screw EVERYONE over, including themselves. If this wasn't the case, why do SO many artists start their own labels or fight long legal battles to get out of the constricting contracts they signed when young?

    Why has the music industry not leapt on digital distribution from the beginning? They could have totally controlled the market by just creating iTunes before iTunes.

    But they don't because the music industry is NOT about promoting artists or giving customers the best value for their money. it is about making the maximum amount of money for the least amount of work. Now you might call that sensible business, but it isn't.

    McD sells you mayo for your fries as an extra, that is sensible. Selling you the salt as extra isn't and would just turn customers away.

    The music industry would wish that you had to buy a CD for your stereo, a seperate MP3 for your portable, another CD for your car, a ringtone for your phone and then also pay them a fee for any blank CD's, hard-disks and media players you buy. That has nothing to do with promiting music anymore, that is pure and simple greed and comes bloody close to strip-mining the industry. Getting the last money out before it all collapses.

    Record labels support the artists. My god man, read a book, just once.

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  30. For those wondering about music promotion by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Interesting

    LISTEN to a top 1000 and wonder about the many 1 time hits. Some of them were of course produced but a lot of them just happened by chance. Someone heard it, played it for some friends and it spread. Music promotion is overrated for a lot of artists, because either they never get it in the first place OR their big hit happens from word of mouth while they pay the record label for all the publicity that didn't work. Oh, you thought the record labels payed for promotion? How silly of you.

    The record labels do a LOT less then a lot of people seem to think and still the best way to promote yourself is just to send your CD to every radio station and offer to perform live whenever you can to hope enough people hear your music to spread your music. And you do NOT need a billion dollar industry coming up with endless schemes to drive customers away to do that.

    In fact, an old dutch project "One day fly" showed that you do not need the music industry at all to create a hit. A radio presenter and some friends made a crappy song, promoted it heavily on radio (themselves) and voila, instant hit. You need people who can play your music to others to get noticed. The record labels do precious little more then buy you some airtime and that only for the big sure fire hits.

    Oh and for the small artists, all that promotion you end up paying yourself for, so that even when you score a big hit, most of the profits will be sucked up by the record label.

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  31. music 'industry' by neonsignal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's like saying of the illuminated book 'industry' in 1499 that "the latest culprit accelerating the undoing of the reading business is free, legal printing presses".

    The measure of an industry is not the size of its profits (except in the minds of those mythical entities called corporations). It is the extent to which it affects people's lives. I could argue that the recording industry actually diminished the social culture of music, because it meant people could listen to music without interacting with the performer. On the other hand, it did allow more people to enjoy music by the most gifted performers. As does radio. As does the internet.

  32. I have cash to burn by aepervius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have cash to burn, but I am definitively too old. The stuff which they put out for sale, DO NOT interest me. What I like is stuff like electrical music vangelis/Jean michel Jarre , classic from funeral march for a marionette to tocatta in c minor, and a few rock/hard rock group and strange stuff (queen, megadeth, smashing pumpkins, and a few other less known ; commercial stuff like e-nomine, and a few other like in-extremo). For the first group, there isn't much which was put to sale recently and has got the quality of an oxygen, or heaven and hell. For the second group you can own so many version of them until nothing new comes out, for the third group, i search and search but rarely find stuff of interrest.

    So what bring us this long rambling on my taste ? I started buying a lot of CD end on 90. Then by 2002 it dwindled down. Because my classic collection was complete, and for electronic music I did not find anything new, except a few rare stuff coming from Japan (Idea/eufonius). Sure, I would wish to see much more new stuff, but my exposure (university) has dwindled only to friend and colleague. So now a day I try pirate stuff in hope of finding something to buy which please me , and I throw everything away after trying. The bottom line is that I buy no CD , not because of the crise, but because nothing cater to my taste.. Yeah my taste are eclectic.But hey nobody is perfect.

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  33. Re:Streaming services by ghostdoc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How come 'the album' merits preserving as an ideal unit of quality music?

    An album is based on the available bandwidth in a vinyl 12-inch record, not on the attention span of the listeners or on the creative urges of the artist(s). So how come it's sacrosant?

    So much of this debate is riddled with "it's been that way since I started listening to music, so that's the way it MUST stay" points of view, mostly from people who are so heavily plugged in to the music scene they're almost incapable of stepping back and seeing all the other possibilities.

    Music is about to emerge from the ultra-commercial cocoon it's been in for 50 years, and I can't wait to see what it turns into

     

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  34. Who is RIAA real competition? by s52d · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If we assume average teenager has 100 Euros per month to spend ...

    20 years ago, they mainly spend it on music, beer and cigarettes.

    Today they spend it on mobile, internet, DVDs, computer games and some for music.
    There are so many options beside CDs.

    Music industry simply lost entertainment money share.

    Few years ago a pool was made in London: kids prefer to stop going out for beer in order to spend last pounds on their mobile phone.

  35. Re:What do you get for the music fan who has it al by CSMatt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    (The previous two paragraphs are based on conjecture, anecdotes, and my own reasoning. I think my conclusions are fairly pedestrian, but if anyone has any statistics or studies as to the revenue generated by back catalog, I'd be interested to see them.)

    Likewise.

    When the CD was introduced, everyone who wanted the new format ended up having to upgrade their collections or continue to use their current LPs and casettes until they wore out. The CD was not recordable (and would not become recordable for another 8 years), so dubbing one's existing collection to CD was out of the question. Still, the promise of the new format was enough to finally kill off vinyl, as no doubt customers were sick of worn out records and eaten cassettes, and loved the idea of a format whose marketing promised a century of readability without analog degrading. The CD gobbles up vinyl's market first, then the cassette's after the introduction of anti-skip buffers. Eventually people's old collections are either worn out or become difficult to play due to inconvenience, and people start re-buying their old music on CD. Sales skyrocket, because the labels are not just selling their discs to new customers, but also to old customers who bought the same lineup of recordings years ago, and were replacing their recordings at a rate faster than the usual re-purchase due to destruction of the old medium.

    But the CD, being a digital format, had an advantage over the previous formats of vinyl and cassette. Because the tracks are digital, they can be extracted and easily transferred to another medium. The labels knew about the transfer of recordings from a CD to another medium, but anticipated the process would be in the form of a conventional dub using analog means, much like what the casette tape allowed. Hence, the CD did not have DRM, and no attempt was made during the specification process to prevent digital extraction. Once digital music started becoming the norm, the prediction was that customers would dub their tracks using S/PDIF to MD or DAT, or to the new CD recorders. So the labels lobbied for the AHRA and SCMS.

    Of course, what happened instead was that these new digital formats failed to gain traction, and a new more efficient method of digital transfer arose: the digital extraction of tracks to a hard drive using a computer. Unlike a dub, ripping did not require playback of the source medium. Despite the original rips of CDs taking a long time due to encoding and slow processors, the difficult task of ripping only had to be done once. Once done, the tracks can be copied to any writable medium with ease. If one wanted to copy a CD to another CD, a computer allowed for a verbatim copy from source to destination without the need for any dubbing. Suddenly, any future form of music storage, which would inevitably be some sort of digital file, could not be as successful as the CD. Even tape, which also had the ability to record from another source, would inevitably have made more money from back catalog updating due to the tediousness of dubbing, as opposed to the straightforward process of ripping.

    Phillips and Sony outdid themselves with the CD, making it almost impossible to create a successor. Attempts to try (DVD-Audio and SACD) failed because their features catered only to a select few and due to low player and disc support. Digital distribution is successful because of the a la carte model of allowing the selection of individual tracks, and the convenience of having songs beamed directly to your hard drive, since a new CD would just end up there anyway. But it would be absurd to re-buy all of your music online if you already have a CD, as you can just get the track from your existing collection, leaving back catalog purchases to those who do not know about ripping.

    So to compare the revenues of labels from their peak in 1999 is absurd, as much of that revenue no doubt came from back catalog purchases. Instead it would make far more sense to compare it to revenues from before 1981, before the CD came out (adjusted for inflation of course).

  36. I hope you get modded down. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because people that do not learn from history, frankly deserve to be derided in any way possible.

    You said "he big label records AREN'T there to fuck everyone over."

    The reality:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2289224.stm

    http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/print.html

    So they screw both artists and consumers.

    And that is only for starters...

    Please, get real.

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    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
  37. Recoupable by Darth+Cider · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's a general misunderstanding I see here anytime record companies are discussed. Time after time, people say that the label pays for all sorts of things to help artists. The truth is that all of that stuff isn't given to the artists, it's an advance on future royalties.

    The artist has to repay the label for the cost of recording an album. The labels charge artists for promotion, too. It's a universal practice to include a "breakage" fee, which means the artist only receives royalties on 90% of sales. Concert touring expenses are also recoupable, paid for by the artist. Royalties are calculated on wholesale prices, not retail prices, so deals with record clubs can be based on deeply discounted wholesale prices and lower royalties

    The industry is geared to produce a few smash hit artists. Those who aren't given preferential treatment are generally stuck with big debt to the label. If the label decides not to release an artist's music, the artist can't release it on his own - and this happens quite a lot. The label can insist that the artist remain under contract for 7 years or more, while never releasing any recordings, so the artist is essentially silenced

    There is no hope of getting a song on a commercial radio station without the influence of "independent promoters," who have a lock on what stations will play and only promote songs after receiving huge payments. Radio airtime has nothing to do with the merits of the music. No song gets played on commercial radio without a payment to an independent promoter

    Most people who have very strong opinions against the music industry have little idea of exactly how bad the industry is. It's a rotten and corrupt industry.

    Read what Janis Ian has to say. Read The Truth about the Music Industry."