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Bing Search Tainted By Pro-Microsoft Results

bdcny7927 writes "Just as Bing is gaining popularity, some disturbingly pro-Microsoft and anti-Apple search results are rearing their ugly heads. Case in point: a search on Bing for the phrase, 'Why is Windows so expensive?' returned this as the top link: 'Why are Macs so expensive.' That's right. You're not hallucinating."

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  1. And? by Gandalf_Greyhame · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surprised, why?

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    1. Re:And? by Eevee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The surprise isn't that Microsoft is doing it, but rather that cio.com is the one calling them on it--a site aimed at upper management. This isn't fanboy-complaining, but business-complaining, something that will hit acceptance of Bing in the corporate environment.

    2. Re:And? by NickFortune · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Surprised, why?

      Surprised it took them this long, perhaps.

      Microsoft always do this with search engines. They seem to start from the assumption that any query represents a user problem, for which there exists a Microsoft based solution. Looked at that way, a search engine becomes an exercise in derailing the users interest, and redirecting into more profitable channels.

      It never seems to occur to them that people might be genuinely interested in results that reflect what they actually want.

      And then they wonder why all their search engines fail.

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    3. Re:And? by siloko · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And even funnier - search for "Why is Microsoft Windows so expensive?" and the fifth result is a slashdot article entitled: "Why is OSS Commercial Software So Expensive?"!

    4. Re:And? by Andr+T. · · Score: 4, Funny

      The real WTF is: why this story wasn't posted by kdawson?

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    5. Re:And? by afidel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Advertising and skewing search results are two VERY different things. Altering search results to your corporate whims makes your search engine useless IMHO, and the opinions of a lot of other people. That's what made Google so popular initially, their blind algorithm gave the 'best' results regardless of source or view.

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    6. Re:And? by noundi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does Google advertise Internet Explorer on Youtube?

      Either you're horribly offtopic or you're trying to imply that MS has a right to secretly manipulate search results in their favor (and not in the users favor such as e.g. prioritizing results from the country of which the user resides, google.es provides more spanish results and google.se provides more swedish results). If the latter then your question is irrelevant since this is not about advertisement at all. So either way you fail horribly.

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    7. Re:And? by pak9rabid · · Score: 5, Funny

      The surprise isn't that Microsoft is doing it, but rather that cio.com is the one calling them on it--a site aimed at upper management. This isn't fanboy-complaining, but business-complaining, something that will hit acceptance of Bing in the corporate environment.

      Bingo

    8. Re:And? by ElSupreme · · Score: 5, Funny

      But it isn't a search engine, it is the world's first decision enigne.

      Obviously it decided that OSX is too expensive.

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    9. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does Google advertise Internet Explorer on Youtube?

      Advertising is different -- in advertising, there is no implied agreement that the text should be objective and informative. Advertisements do not pose as something, er, academic, and are often headed by a text declaring ADVERTISEMENT.

      A search engine, on the other hand, is expected (implicitly trusted) to be fair (re: Google China and other censorship cases). As such, in advertising Chrome, Google doesn't break an implied agreement between parties, the way Bing does. Microsoft's engine is not legally suspect, certainly, but it's also not playing it all out honest.

    10. Re:And? by cabjf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It never seems to occur to them that people might be genuinely interested in results that reflect what they actually want.

      Sounds like the work of a bad programmer. Who else would take a question from a user and assume they know what the user really wants?

    11. Re:And? by NickFortune · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That, I hadn't picked up on. Perhaps we should have asked on whose behalf the engine was making those decisions.

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    12. Re:And? by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's funny. When I did the same search for "Why is Microsoft Windows so expensive?" the fifth result for me had the title "Why Is Windows So Cheap?"

    13. Re:And? by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Surprised, why?

      Surprised it took them this long, perhaps.

      Microsoft always do this with search engines. They seem to start from the assumption that any query represents a user problem, for which there exists a Microsoft based solution. Looked at that way, a search engine becomes an exercise in derailing the users interest, and redirecting into more profitable channels.

      There is a Microsoft based solution; it just usually involves uninstalling all their products.

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    14. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And even funnier - search for "Why is Microsoft Windows so expensive?" and the fifth result is a slashdot article entitled: "Why is OSS Commercial Software So Expensive?"!

      Try this : why are macs so awesome?

      Top 2:

      ALL RESULTS
      1-9 of 1,370,000 resultsÂ

              1) Why Macs Suck - Funny videos

                2) Why are Macs so crap at gaming?

    15. Re:And? by awrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's even more amusing is the first result:

      Why are Mac's So Expensive? - Yahoo! Answers

      I could care less about whether or not macs are more expensive, or about commercial OSS prices.

      I just want accurate results from a search engine.

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    16. Re:And? by SBrach · · Score: 5, Informative

      The same search, "Why is Windows so expensive" in google has the "Why are Macs so expensive" page as 8th.

    17. Re:And? by SBrach · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bingo Is Not Google Obviously??

    18. Re:And? by bsDaemon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But it's not a search engine, it's a decision engine.. is it any surprise what they've decided?

    19. Re:And? by bhagwad · · Score: 3, Funny

      OMG I can't believe it! You're right! This is a bit too blatant to be true, but there it is.

      Also in the results: "Why do macs cost so much" etc....what the hell has cost got to do with it now?

    20. Re:And? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 3, Informative

      well, it does *now*, everyone's started linking to it in their "why is Bing so biased", and "Bing is rubbish", and "Why Bing isn't biased after all, honest, no really" blog articles.

    21. Re:And? by AndrewNeo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But it's not a search engine, it's a decision engine! It's obviously deciding that Macs and Linux are more expensive than Windows, and tuning the results appropriately!

    22. Re:And? by orasio · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, but I had an interesting accident.
      I accidentally double clicked my middle mouse button, and searched for: Why is Windows so eWhy is Windows so expensive?xpensive?

      I got the "Why are Macs so expensive" as the second result.
      Probably that just means that Google is smarter than Bing. When you ask it right, with an English sentence, they know that result is irrelevant. When you ask the same with a bunch of keywords mixed with garbage, they don't filter, and give you that result.

      I wouldn't attribute _that_ to malice.

      Don't get me wrong, I know MS does all the awful things they can in order to market their stuff, and that their astroturfing might kill sites like this. Just in this case, I think it's just an example of Google being better than Bing, and not result doctoring. It's too easy to spot to be intentional.

    23. Re:And? by gentlemen_loser · · Score: 5, Informative

      This article is garbage ... put the same query on the google search and almost the same results come up. Including Why are Macs so Expensive...

      You are either delusional or full of crap. They are nothing alike.

      This is the result from Bing:

      News about Why is Windows so expensive
      Why are Mac's So Expensive? - Yahoo! Answers
      why so expensive?. - Games for Windows Live
      Why are vinyl windows so expensive? who provides them cheapest ...
      Why are vinyl windows so expensive? who provides them cheapest? Find answers to this and many other questions on Trulia Voices, a community for you to find and share local ...
      Why are windows hosting providers so expensive? - Community Server
      Community Server is the platform that powers rich blogging, discussions, and sharing web communities.
      Why are Macbooks so expensive? - Yahoo! Answers
      WikiAnswers - Why are Apple Macs so expensive
      Apple and Mac question: Why are Apple Macs so expensive? Macs are no more expensive ... can save money by buying more advanced parts for a windows computer. Also, they are expensive ...
      Windows Embedded Blog : Why is OSS Commercial Software So Expensive?
      Why are Macs so expensive? - TechSpot Troubleshooting
      Why are Macs so expensive?
      Why are Macs so expensive? techradar.com â" There are some good reasons not to choose a Mac when you ... If I feel like Sony are charging too much for a Laptop with Windows I can get a ...
      Why fish is so expensive! - Windows Live


      This is the result from Google:

      Why Windows Vista and Office 2007 are so Expensive  The Firefox ...
      Is Windows getting more expensive? - CNET News
      Windows 7 to be âoemore expensiveâ than Vista, XP
      Writing on the Wall: Why Windows is so expensive
      Why are vinyl windows so expensive? who provides them cheapest ...
      Omfg Vista Is so Expensive - Windows Vista and Windows 7
      Why are HDTV wall mounts so expensive?
      Why is the IBM thinkpad x301 laptop so expensive with mediocre ...
      Why are Macs so expensive? | News | TechRadar UK
      Gizmodo - The World's Most Expensive Copy of Windows XP - XP


      I am not sure how you got modded +5 insightful, but the only article in common is the "Why are Macs so expensive?" from TechRadar. Microsoft's results are obviously significantly skewed. I would encourage you to "get the facts"!

    24. Re:And? by SBrach · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, Bing links to a Yahoo answers page in which the actually text of the article contains the search terms several times("Windows" once, "Mac" once, "expensive" once, and Microsoft" twice). The article google returns, while having the same title, is a techradar.com article that doesn't mention windows. The Google results article and the Bing results article. YMMV

  2. Not on my bing by multisync · · Score: 3, Informative

    Search string: "Why is Windows so expensive?"

    Results:

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    Microsoft to offer Family Pack for Windows 7 Home Premium | TalkBack ...

    If so don't PC users ask WHY is Windows so expensive? Cheapest upgrade for Win 7 is 50 and that's temporarily for early adopters (119 later) Snow Leopard is only 29 for all Leopard ...
    o talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12354-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=66314&messageID=1250260
    o Cached page
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    MacNN | Acer: Home Premium is the real Vista

    "Hmmm, I'll have to think about that... Why is Windows so expensive?" "That's the Microsoft tax." "Doesn't e v e r y b o d y use Windows?" "Not anymore."
    o www.macnn.com/articles/06/10/27/acer.on.windows.vista
    o Cached page
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    Do you need more than Windows 7 Home Premium? | TalkBack on ZDNet

    If so don't PC users ask WHY is Windows so expensive? Cheapest upgrade for Win 7 is 50 and that's temporarily for early adopters (119 later) Snow Leopard is only 29 for all Leopard ...
    o talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12354-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=66219&messageID=1249894
    o Cached page
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    Rittman Mead Consulting Blog Archive Virtually there

    I suppose the next thing is to build a Windows VM for the stuff that needs Microsoft Windows (OBI SE-ONE, for example) - but why is Windows so expensive to license?
    o www.rittmanmead.com/2007/11/21/virtually-there
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    PC World Community: Hollywood's Victory Over The Pirate Bay ...

    Why is Windows so expensive to buy in a box, when Dell can buy it in bulk for a couple dollars? How much money does Bill Gates need? What is fair trade?
    o forums.pcworld.com/message/209250
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    PC World Community: Windows XP User: I'm No Thief ...

    At least I think it is. Why is windows so expensive in the first place? They're totally ripping us off!!
    o forums.pcworld.com/thread/60075?start=30&tstart=0
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    ffextensionguru.wordpress.com - Traffic Details from Alexa

    why is windows so expensive; new tab homepage; guru blog; the book of mozilla; mozilla weekly; ie 8 windows update; primo pdf; tabs open relative; flash player updates
    o www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ffextensionguru.wordpress.com

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    1. Re:Not on my bing by langelgjm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But that would be because you put it in quotes? And the guy writing the article didn't.

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    2. Re:Not on my bing by WinterSolstice · · Score: 3, Informative

      When I searched I got several things like "why are macbooks so expensive", "why are mac's [sic] so expensive" etc.

      The article is correct. Bing is just the fox news of search engines. Surprise surprise.

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    3. Re:Not on my bing by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Informative

      You've been marked "informative" but I think the phrase "can't read" is more appropriate. If you Read The Frakking Article, it states that Bing is now returning non-biased results, due to their old biased system being exposed publicly.

      Apparently Microsoft programmers did some quick cover-up, like a bunch of 1940s-era Germans digging-up bodies and burning them to hide the evidence. Microsoft was exposed by the media, and now MS is trying to pretend it never happened.

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  3. Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... why are Macs so expensive?

    1. Re:Yes, but... by HalifaxRage · · Score: 4, Funny

      Like gold, the price of brushed aluminium is at an all-time high.

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  4. That's why.... by david_thornley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's why I have often taken my car to repair shops that are nothing but repair shops, not gas stations or tire stores or whatever doing car repair on the side. They have to live on the basis of their car repairs, and they are likely to pay attention to that, and if they do bad repairs they will go out of business.

    Similarly, Google lives by its search engine, and people at Google know it. There is nothing more important to Google than returning good search results, and if somebody else starts returning better ones Google is in deep trouble.

    It won't take much for me to conclude that a search engine operated by somebody like Microsoft or Apple is biased. A biased search engine isn't going to get me the results I want (unless, I guess, I agree with the bias, but in that case I run the risk of learning nothing and simply being confirmed in my ignorance). If Microsoft wants me to use Bing, they're going to have to be extra careful to avoid the appearance of bias.

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  5. Re:Boring Story by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, the mac link appears under the google results. However, the other top google results are all about the Windows OS. The bing results has NO results about Windows OS on the first page.

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  6. Microsoft is into lots of enterprises by hey · · Score: 3, Funny

    For example Expedia. Perhaps travel queries are tainted too. And who knows what else.

  7. Re:Boring Story by Andr+T. · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hey Slashdot, how about covering the fact that KDE 4.3 [kde.org] was just released today?

    Ops.

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  8. yeah, but.... by da_matta · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except that putting that same query to Google will give this result in the first page:

    http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/apple/why-are-macs-so-expensive--609128

    1. Re:yeah, but.... by caerwyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes. One out of the rest of the front page.

      Bing has one *real* result out of the rest of the front page, which is a bit of a difference...

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    2. Re:yeah, but.... by schon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Try these queries on Google:

      "why does chrome suck"

      "why does google suck"

      "why does android suck"

      Not one mention of Microsoft or Apple. You get what you asked for.

    3. Re:yeah, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Stop introducing facts into this discussion. We're here to bash Microsoft.

  9. Is Bing some kind of other Google? by Gothmolly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would I use another search engine when I can use Google?

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  10. They're just giving preference to yahoo answers by eison · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's not specifically pro-MS or anti-Apple. It's just that whatever their ranking algorithm is rates yahoo answers as a better source than other sites. Search engines have to weight sites somehow; if all sources of pages were equally good authorities, we'd all still be using altavista.

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  11. Re:Mod entire article down by Tridus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, yes. On the main page, click the minus sign next to the title. You can then pick why you don't like it.

    Theoretically if enough people do it, we could kick it back off the front page. That seems unlikely in this case though.

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  12. Re:query "why windows sucks" by ROBOKATZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And "is windows expensive" returns just plain anti-Windows results. "why is windows expensive" (eliminating the 'so') returns more neutral responses. This is just a difference in the search algorithms. I wonder how many phrases were tried before the authors obtained suitably pro-MS results for their troll.

  13. Re:Boring Story by rilister · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe he's requesting a dupe?

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  14. Re:Troll by RenHoek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFA states that they stopped doing it. He screencapped his results, but it's not surprising that you don't see it now.

    At least.. for now.. with those search queries..

    But can you trust them to give honest results later on when the heat is off again?

  15. I call BS, and so does your mom... by TheGreatOrangePeel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Change the search to, "Why is your mom so expensive?" and the first result is "Why Are Bulldog Puppies So Expensive" but somehow I doubt that Microsoft is "pro-your mom" and "anti-bulldog" puppies.

  16. There are other "decisions" afoot.... by gosand · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I work for a large bank... suddenly, our mandated IE 7, which used to allow you to add other search engines, now only allows Bing. (in the search bar.. it isn't like they've blocked Google). But it is still quite annoying, and things like this don't get deployed by accident to thousands of employees.

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