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Murdoch Demands Kindle Users' Info

In yet another move to display how antiquated and completely ignorant of digital culture he is, Rupert Murdoch has started demanding that Amazon hand over user info for all Kindle users. This demand comes right after Murdoch just finished negotiating a larger share of revenue from Amazon sales. At least Amazon hasn't decided to comply with this request yet. "'As I've said before, the traditional business model has to change rapidly to ensure that our journalistic businesses can return to their old margins of profitability,' Murdoch said. 'Quality journalism is not cheap, and an industry that gives away its content is simply cannibalizing its ability to produce good reporting.'"

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  1. Link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What the hell is this? Twitter? some blag? Where on earth is the link to TFA?

    1. Re:Link? by Jurily · · Score: 4, Funny

      What the hell is this? Twitter? some blag? Where on earth is the link to TFA?

      It's not like you'd actually read it.

    2. Re:Link? by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slashdot Rule #36: TFA is only important when the link is not posted to TFA.

    3. Re:Link? by tmosley · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's fine, I just don't want to see Slashdot rule 34.

    4. Re:Link? by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slashdot Rule #34: If you can poll it, there's a CowboyNeal option for it.

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  2. Quality journalism really isn't cheap by basementman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quality journalism really isn't cheap, Slashdot can't even bother to link to an actual source for any of this information.

    1. Re:Quality journalism really isn't cheap by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not cheap, actually, but the majority of the costs right now are attached to the print business: printing, delivery, sales and support staff. Those things cost dramatically more than a bunch of journalists making less than the national average salary.

      Mind you, print costs alone aren't the problem. Hiring a few dozen staff members who do nothing but write is still extremely expensive, and that assumes no lawsuits, no hotel bills, no mileage, no FOIA printing charges, etc.

      I think the print news model will likely stablize on a payment model; some kind of microtransaction thing, or a very modest subscription cost. People say, "No one will ever pay for what they can get now, for free" but that same argument would have doomed cable television, and cable is alive and well.

      Murdoch, as big a prick as he is, is doing the industry a favor by bringing this up. Eventually the "all free" thing is going to ebb away. Too many services, popular services, are bringing in massive traffic, and still unable to make a profit. It's going to have to change.

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    2. Re:Quality journalism really isn't cheap by PitaBred · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's stupid. Cable television got popular because it provided more content than you could get for free, and because (at least initially) it didn't have advertising that the OTA channels did.

      The problem is that Murdoch thinks that someone owns the news. That is seriously different than the television situation. You CANNOT copyright facts. It would be perfectly legal for someone to read the WSJ, rewrite the stories, and give them away for free with small ads nearby. And I suspect that is exactly what will happen if paywalls are erected.

      Microtransactions DO NOT WORK. They never will work... the cost to do the transaction will always be higher than the value transferred. I am not going to put payment details into every random site I want to look at. Nor is anyone else. Some very specialist sites can do that, but for everyone as a whole? It'll never happen.

      Things will remain free because that's what the marginal cost drives them to. Hell, look at your comment... should I have paid a microtransaction fee to look at it? Should you get reimbursed for writing it? How about my response here... should I charge you for being able to read it?

      The mistake everyone is making is thinking that journalism from newspapers is somehow special. It isn't. In fact, bloggers and many other people who are actually close to the action do a better job of reporting what is actually going on, instead of it being skewed through the lens of a reporter that may or may not give a shit about the subject matter being reported.

      My point is that the world is changing. Newspapers are no longer the gateway to information. And if they insist on trying to do things like charging micropayments, all they will do is accelerate their demise. Unless they do something like the RIAA/MPAA and essentially buy off some senators and judges and so on. I know that's what the AP is trying to do.

  3. Quality Journalism? by Senjutsu · · Score: 5, Funny

    What does Rupert Murdoch, of all people, know about Quality Journalism?

    1. Re:Quality Journalism? by joocemann · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was just about to post this... Everything he controls is pure blather and bustle. I hope he starts 'charging' so he can find out how much people truly value his sputem.

    2. Re:Quality Journalism? by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right, because if you're against one entertainment "news" network, you're obviously in favor of their competitor. I commend your logic.

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    3. Re:Quality Journalism? by edmicman · · Score: 5, Funny

      How the fuck did this get published?

      I imagine they hit "Reply to This", typed in a reply, hit "Preview", then "Submit".

    4. Re:Quality Journalism? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What does Rupert Murdoch, of all people, know about Quality Journalism?

      He must know everything about quality journalism to be able to avoid it so perfectly.

  4. Story available... by davidwr · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but only to those who turn over their personal information and credit card billing info.

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    1. Re:Story available... by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Funny

      6101 5823 0090 5121
      EXP 01/10 CVV number 876

      Okay now please forward a link to to my email address. Thank you.

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    2. Re:Story available... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure, once you post the real one. The, erm, CC verification service I used rejected that one.

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    3. Re:Story available... by demachina · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since when has any member of the Murdoch media empire ever engaged in "Quality journalism". This is the owner of Fox News who went to a court of appeals to affirm their right to force their journalists to lie in their broadcasts. This is the owner of the network which, in the weeks before the invasion of Iraq, ran stories that Saddam had drones he was planning to use to spray chemical and biological weapons on American cities.

      Granted the WSJ is probably still doing useful reporting, I don't think Rupert has managed to infect it with his spin machine.... yet.

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    4. Re:Story available... by demachina · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Last cable news show I watched regularly was Aaron Brown on CNN. That guy was AWESOME for just doing old school news reporting. Of course he was doomed trying to do that in this day and age, now that the news networks are desperately trying to out shock and pander each other. So they replace him with Anderson Cooper, Mr. inflated ego. Actual news reporting is pretty much dead on the news networks. Fox panders to the right, MSNBC panders to the left, and CNN tries to pander to everyone and succeeds with no one.

      So I watch CNN, MSNBC and Fox occassionly, but I favor PBS and BBC. Really I watch news on TV a lot less than I use to, I mostly just skim Google news now.

      The quality of all three U.S. cable news networks has deteriorated so much its sad. CNN in its early days under Turner and Bernard Shaw was head and shoulders better than any of the 24/7 news networks now. Its pretty criminal what Time Warner and Joe Klein have done to CNN. They've turned it in to complete garbage now. I wish they would sell it back to Ted Turner.

      I watch Glenn Beck now and again just because he is hilarious. That guy is completely NUTS, and he seals the deal that Fox has no standards or any pretense of "fair and balanced" that they A hired him and B keep, especially after his remarks wishing for another Al Qaeda attack on the U.S. O'Reilly isn't quite as nuts as Beck, he is mostly just mean and cranky. Sure Fox isn't really biased when they are regurgitated the same news as everyone else but even then they constantly slip in completing whoppers for untruth and bias, worse than any other network, and their stars are completely off the deep end for bias.

      I kind of like Rachael Maddow because she is at least smart and well spoken, but her left bias is pretty annoying too.

      I think I've read DailyKos for the space of about 2 days several years ago back when it was big news to see what the fuss was about. Those people are nuts too. I haven't really have any use for the Democrats either. Only thing they have in their favor is they aren't the complete horror the Republicans have become. The Republican party has cratered so badly, and is teetering so close to Fascism, everyone looks good by comparison, even the Democrats. The worst problem the Democrats have is Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, etc. are a complete embarrassment. The Democrats seriously need to get some Congressional leaders that don't suck. They just can't seem to elect competent men and women to Congress.

      I'd take Reagan or Nixon back any day over the pathetic carcass that is today's Republican party and that was Bush. If John McCain had been the John McCain of 2000 and he hadn't picked that nutcase Palin as his VP I would have voted for him over Obama. You see I'm about as hard core Independent as they come and I'm just screwed because I have to pick between the garbage the Dems and Republicans put on the ballot.

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    5. Re:Story available... by demachina · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "You could run. If you don't like the choices, then give the people a better choice."

      I wouldn't be electable in this country for anything above dog catcher. For starters, I'm anti religion. I simply wouldn't debase myself by pretending I'm religious just to get elected. As a result, I could never get elected for anything that matters in the U.S.

      I also say what I think with a disturbing regularity and to get elected you have to tell the majority of the people what they want to hear, not what you actually think or even what the facts are. To get elected you pretty much have to lie constantly, and by the time you succeed in getting elected you have so compromised yourself you don't remember what the truth is or what you stood for before you started the campaign.

      Unfortunately we get the bad politicians we get because the whole system is rigged to elect people who are good campaigners and horrible legislators. Not sure I could even stand being a Congressmen or President. You can't do anything right or well by the time you've made the thousand compromises necessary to pass a bill. Me I'd favor repealing a few thousand existing bad laws, rather than passing a bunch of new ones. Unfortunately passing an ever bigger teetering pile of crap laws is considered success for a politician which is why this country is slowly drowning under a pile of bad legislation.

      If you made me dictator for a year I'd take that job. Doubt the country could take the shock though. I'd disband at least half of the Federal bureaucracy, cut the military in at least half and make it a purely defensive force, eliminate taxes on everyone but the wealthy, and I'd let people opt out of Social Security and Medicare. Not sure the economy could take it because the Federal government printing and borrowing money, and pumping it out in Federal pork is one of the few things keeping the U.S. economy afloat.

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  5. No link, but.... by Darth_brooks · · Score: 4, Funny

    WTG Slashdot! At first I thought a story that was posted without a link or attribution of source was a mistake. But then I realized it's really just a super-subtle acknowledgment of John Hughes' passing....

    "My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Rupert Murdoch pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious."

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  6. Re:Story link? by silmarilwest · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's one.
    Would have been helpful to include in the original article.

  7. Story link to DailyFinance.com article by davidwr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Murdoch's ultimatum to Amazon: Give us Kindle subscriber names or else

    Jeff Bercovici
    Aug 5th 2009 at 7:00PM

    Rupert Murdoch's mad as hell, and he's not going to take it anymore. High-handed treatment from Amazon, that is.

    On News Corp.'s (NWS) fiscal-year-end earnings call with analysts, the notoriously shoot-from-the-hip mogul suggested that The Wall Street Journal will cease to be available on the Kindle e-reader unless Amazon starts offering a more generous revenue split and more publisher-friendly policies.

    Murdoch acknowledged that the Journal recently negotiated a slightly larger share of the revenues Amazon gets from selling Kindle subscriptions to the paper, "but it's not a big number, and we're not encouraging it at all because we don't get the names of the subscribers," he said. "Kindle treats them as their subscribers, not as ours, and I think that will eventually cause a break with us."

    Jeff Bezos, consider yourself warned.

    On the call, News Corp. announced adjusted full-year operating income of $3.6 billion, a 32 percent year-over-year decline largely attributable to the advertising recession afflicting print and broadcast television. Much of the call was devoted to News Corp.'s intensive drive to get consumers to pay directly for digital content of all kinds. Murdoch revealed that the company plans to introduce pay models for all its news websites by the end of the next fiscal year. Moreover, he said that it won't be only the newspaper sites that adopt this change; foxnews.com, he said, will also start charging for content. "It has a huge and loyal and profitable [web] audience already," he said.

    "As I've said before, the traditional business model has to change rapidly to ensure that our journalistic businesses can return to their old margins of profitability," Murdoch said. "Quality journalism is not cheap, and an industry that gives away its content is simply cannibalizing its ability to produce good reporting."

    Other highlights from the call:

    -Murdoch on this year's television advertising: "We're doing well, or we think we're doing well, on the pricing, but we'll probably keep more back for the spot market than last year....There's money around. I'm not saying there's a vast recovery or anything like that, but we are in the process of reaching understandings with a lot of advertisers."

    -On whether News Corp. will develop its own e-reader to compete with the Kindle: "We're not in the hardware business."

    -On rumors that Guardian Media Group may close the Observer: "I did read that document that went to the staff of the Guardian that swore allegiance everlastingly to the Guardian but said nothing about the Observer. I think I made the same conclusions as everybody."

    -On whether News Corp. would buy the Observer: "Hell no. Why?"

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    1. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Informative

      So it sounds like, as expected, he doesn't want the contact info of every Kindle owner - just the ones who subscribe to the WSJ. This doesn't exactly seem like an outrageous request. He'd have this info if you had to buy the subscription directly from the WSJ rather than through Amazon. It's just a matter of bargaining with Amazon for a bigger slice of the revenue.

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    2. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear Mr. Murdoch:

      Please accept this letter in the full spirit that it is intended. You opined, "Kindle treats them as their subscribers, not as ours, and I think that will eventually cause a break with us" to which I wish to sincerely respond:

      Fuck you.
      Signed,
      Jeff Bozos

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    3. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by cob666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He'd have this info if you had to buy the subscription directly from the WSJ rather than through Amazon.

      Yes, but he wouldn't have this information if you walked into a book store and bought the paper from them, even if you bought the paper every single day which seems closer to how the Kindle process works.

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    4. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah but the reason I buy from amazon is that I only have to trust that one very trustworthy vendor. Only Amazon has my card info and my address. If I want to buy a book, that doesn't mean that some random bookstore in North Dakota now has my personal information.. it's all handled through a trusted party.

    5. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "'As I've said before, the traditional business model has to change rapidly to ensure that our journalistic businesses can return to their old margins of profitability,'

      Those old margins are gone. Sorry Rupert.
      OK, I am not sorry.

      Why do you need the names of your subscribers?

      "foxnews.com, he said, will also start charging for content. "It has a huge and loyal and profitable [web] audience already," he said."
      wait, didn't you jst say it wasn't and that's why you are going to start charging?

      I hope Bezos calls his bluff and gives him the finger. What, Murdoch is going to toss the current Kindle income out the window?

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    6. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by pugugly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More to the point - the Newscorp (And the Journal), like any other company, have every right to subcontract out service. Or not subcontract out service.

      But there is a real entitlement issue going on when, having done so, they think it's somehow unfair for them to not know the clients of the subcontracter. Hate to tell you this Murdoch, welcome to the world of real business.

      Pug

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    7. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Those old margins are gone. Sorry Rupert.

      Oh so you noticed he said "old margins of profitability" not just "profitability" too, eh?

      Yeah, I bet Murdoch would like to have his "old margins" where all it took was to buy up a couple papers in an area to give you an effective monopoly, and there wasn't a hundred sources of the same information all competing for eyeballs.

      "It has a huge and loyal and profitable [web] audience already," he said." wait, didn't you jst say it wasn't and that's why you are going to start charging?

      Yeah. Apparently what he's saying is that foxnews.com is already profitable, but he's just not happy with the margins, so he's going to have to start charging people.

      Well guess what? Nobody gives a shit that you're profitable but not as much as you'd like to be. Right now any company or division that's in the black should be counting their blessings, not talking about gouging their users so they can relive the Glory Days. Those days are gone!

      All he's going to do is alienate foxnews.com viewers who are feeling the crunch more than Murdoch is. When he loses those eyeballs and advertisers won't pay as much and suddenly foxnews is in the red again, what is he going to do? Jack up the subscription price hoping that'll help?

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    8. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by yuna49 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This doesn't exactly seem like an outrageous request.

      Perhaps, but then why didn't NewsCorp make that a requirement of its original contract with Amazon? According to TFA, NewsCorp just renegotiated that contract. They could have made access to the subscriber list a requirement of those negotiations as well. Sounds more like NewsCorp asked for the names, Amazon wouldn't agree, and Murdoch now wants to bitch about it. In this matchup, my money's on Amazon. So what if Kindle owners can't read the Journal online? It's not like they can't get it delivered in print or online forms or buy it at the local news stand. I'm guessing it has as much to do with Murdoch's ego and an inflated view of the true value of NewsCorp's properties in a networked world.

      I'm an Amazon Prime member, but I won't stay one for long if Amazon starts giving in to extortionate demands like this one.

    9. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by steelfood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that, ever since the 1984 debacle, Amazon's trustworthiness, especially in regards to the Kindle, has been slowly eroding away. I'm definitely waiting to see what Amazon does. If they do hand it over, deleting all of the personal data in my account may be worth considering.

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    10. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

      it's all handled through a trusted party.

      I thought you said you were buying them from amazon? I'm confused ;)

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    11. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful
      But amazon does know who the WSJ/Kindle subscribers are. The article summary is painting Murdoch as a dinosaur who just doesn't understand how things work these days: "In yet another move to display how antiquated and completely ignorant of digital culture he is, Rupert Murdoch has started demanding that Amazon hand over user info for all Kindle users"

      In fact, by any reasonable measure, "digital culture" has vastly increased publishers' awareness of who their customers are and what, precisely, they are reading and ignoring. So the premise of the summary's bias is blatantly false. Right or wrong, Murdoch's demand is perfectly in keeping with the times. And it is not at all a foregone conclusion that Murdoch's business instincts are wrong; he believes good reporting is worth paying for, and Kindle WSJ subscribers are examples of precisely that.

    12. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by mikiN · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If (in the 1900s, or being very rich) I would contract an errand boy or courier to fetch my newspaper at the stand everyday and bring it to me, would it be reasonable for the newspaper publisher to know my personal details? I think not.

      Today, the newspaper boy or courier is replaced by programs stored on a computer that checks lists of Kindle users who subscribe to newspaper delivery services, fetches one copy of the paper from the publisher every day, and delivers that to Kindles. Any difference with the first example? I think not.

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    13. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by ajs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But amazon does know who the WSJ/Kindle subscribers are. The article summary is painting Murdoch as a dinosaur who just doesn't understand how things work these days: "In yet another move to display how antiquated and completely ignorant of digital culture he is, Rupert Murdoch has started demanding that Amazon hand over user info for all Kindle users"

      Yes, notice the word "culture". Of course Amazon COULD turn over the goods on their users (likely they'd have to change their privacy policy, but that's doable). The question is SHOULD they, and would they suffer backlash and a loss of faith and face as a result.

      I'm pretty sure the answer is "yes." I don't want my name and various demographics going to Rupert Murdoch, even if I do subscribe to his rag (which, sadly, used to be an excellent paper).

    14. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by digitig · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's all those dratted protons and neutrons...

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    15. Re:Story link to DailyFinance.com article by dynamo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, those 3rd-party vendors do get your address because they *need* it to write out the shipping forms to get it physically to your house. And similarly, with the Kindle, Amazon gets that info because they need it to know who to send the bits to over the network.

      I'm sure that if Amazon were selling paper subscriptions to the WSJ that were delivered by WSJ itself, they'd give them the addresses.

      Murdoch is a dinosaur, and not just because he's the mouthpiece for a political party that also has managed to sink itself almost to it's mouth level (just wait for this pay-for-propaganda-in-news-clothing thing to take effect), this is one of the early death wails.

      The bottom line is that my personal information as a consumer is meant to be given out on a need-to-know basis. There's nothing good that might happen to the subscribers if Amazon shares the info, most likely just spam and behavioral tracking / profiling.

      I'm going to buy something from Amazon to thank them.

  8. Quality Journalism? by steve_thatguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sure, *quality* journalism probably isn't cheap, but if Rupert's paying much for Fox News-caliber journalism, he's getting ripped off.

  9. So what? by PriceIke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can see why he expects this information... he's a publisher who's spent the lion's share of his career dealing in print media. If people were subscribing to the dead-tree edition of the Journal, he would have not just their names but their home addresses and probably phone numbers as well. Now subscribers want to pay for the same publication--the Wall Street Journal--and the publisher expects to have the same information they would if they were sending the physical newspaper. What's the big deal? Just cause something is delivered electronically rather than via the post, that makes basic subscriber information suddenly privacy-threatening?

    I'm as paranoid about privacy concerns as the next [rational] person, but I don't see what the big deal is here.

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    1. Re:So what? by RingDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except in this case, they aren't subscribers. They are the folks that buy a copy from a reseller before hopping on the L to head to work. And Murdoc has never had the names, addresses, or any other information about those people.

      -Rick

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    2. Re:So what? by twmcneil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The dead-tree publishers have your address so they can deliver their product to you. They may have your phone number as well so they can contact you concerning their product. The electronic publisher has your IP address so they can deliver the product to you and they might have your email address so they can contact you concerning the product.

      Murdock doesn't need or deserve any additional demographic information concerning his subscribers. He already has all that he needs. He's asking for additional information above and beyond what is required to conduct the transaction. That's the big deal.

      I too can see why he expects this information - he's old and living in the fantasy of world passed by.

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  10. after reading the article.... by bigredradio · · Score: 5, Informative

    It looks to me like he is not requesting every kindle users info (as the headline suggests). But he is requesting that when a user subscribes to The Wall Street Journal via a kindle, they are a customer of TWSJ and not Amazon. Sounds reasonable to me. That way the user could change devices and keep their subscriptions.

  11. Goebbels, take notes you piker by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Moreover, he said that it won't be only the newspaper sites that adopt this change; foxnews.com, he said, will also start charging for content. "It has a huge and loyal and profitable [web] audience already," he said.

    Now hes CHARGING us for his bullshit propaganda? Jeeeeeeeeez.......

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    1. Re:Goebbels, take notes you piker by Xtravar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now hes CHARGING us for his bullshit propaganda? Jeeeeeeeeez.......

      Am I the only one that thinks this is a good thing? The grumpy generation of naysayers will die out with a loud, painful scream as they refuse to cooperate, even on the basic level, with the new information generation.

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    2. Re:Goebbels, take notes you piker by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The WSJ is a very high quality newspaper. One of the few and the only major paper that has had drastic cut backs in staffing and still does substantial research.

      Murdoch is a jerk but the WSJ deserves respect as a great paper

      Was a very high quality newspaper. I dropped my subscription shortly after Mrudoch took over; now its just another conservative rag.

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  12. Re:Yet another reason to avoid a Kindle by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sony is usually held as an example of a consumer-friendly, trustworthy corporation.

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  13. The Rotten Bastard's right by Xaedalus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (don't mean you, SatanicPuppy, I mean Murdoch). The Rotten Bastard's right - quality journalism costs money. The "I can get anything for free, so why should I pay" ethos (in my opinion) leads to watered down crap being offered for free. People cannot make a living off "Free". Look at what we have now - 'free' news sources that don't give us much news but give us a whole lotta opinion masquerading as news (blogs, anyone?). It costs nothing to post your opinion based off of factoids gleaned from other sources, without even considering bias. But to produce honest-to-Gawd news? That's a quality product, produced by professionals who know how to separate fact from bias, and how to tell the difference between the two? That is worth money. The Genocidal Tyrant's completely within his rights to demand that Amazon give him an increased percentage of profits PLUS the names and contact info of all the WSJ subscribers through the Kindle. He should have them anyway. The WSJ has not suffered any decrease in quality - it's political bent is well known but the Rotten Bastard actually kept one of his promises and continued to support its journalistic integrity. I was worried as everyone else when he bought it, but then I was surprised to learn that the WSJ actually increased its quality. I don't read the WSJ for its opinions, I read it because I want good, factual business news that cuts through all the BS and tells it as it is. And that costs money. Furthermore (in my opinion), we need to face facts: In order to get good quality journalism, we have to PAY for it. Journalism was always supported by Print advertising. Now, it's going to be supported by pay-to-view websites. Free only lasts a while in an economic boom (anyone remember the dot-com rush where EVERYTHING was free), then reality sets in and you have to pay for what you get. And I will be happy to pay for it. I will pay for honest, high quality journalism (I already do), as long as I get my money's worth.

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    1. Re:The Rotten Bastard's right by Gooba42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that Murdoch is making some fundamentally flawed assumptions about the business and market.

      He assumes that what's wrong is the business model, as if nothing about journalism, publication, advertising or content has to change to capitalize on a fundamentally different market.

      Murdoch seems to be expressing the view that the "problem" with the internet is that information isn't scarce enough and he's entirely missing the point. Information was never actually scarce, it just wasn't distributed as evenly as it is now. The only way to make information scarce on the internet is to make up your own stories and put up a paywall. Everything that doesn't originate with you will route around you somehow.

      Putting up a paywall around the same old stuff isn't going to make us spontaneously want to pay for it.

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  14. Common National Norm by ACMENEWSLLC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the US we have moved from having a 1960's type society that is local/national with very similar interests to a society that is very diverse.

    What we think is newsworthy varies greatly. I read technical news information, Eve-Online news, and have completely lost interest in local and national news because it is so depressing.

    Traditional news sources simply can not cover everything. So having a portal to bring the news an individual want to hear about into a central location is where things are going.

    The journalistic sources that can accomplish this will be the victors of this change. I would love to sign into my news account and have detailed journalist analysis of the latest things going on in non Concord space, insights into the specific software packages I use, and what's new in the world of Maltese K9s.

    Just repeating news releases and the same thing I can see on CSPAN, sans the spin, as well as bogus headlines such as "We caught Bin Laden" (AP/Reuters) is not going to cut it anymore.

    My opinion.

  15. Re:Yet another reason to avoid a Kindle by Late+Adopter · · Score: 4, Funny

    WHOOOOOSH!

  16. NPR by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At this point, I always direct people to NPR. 10% comes from the government, 35% from corporate sponsors, the rest from listeners. It doesn't get much more directly supported than this. If you don't like their programming, tell them you won't support them anymore. If there's more like you, watch them change the programming. Amazing how that has created some kick-ass reporting.

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  17. Lord Murdoch has spoken. by ring-eldest · · Score: 4, Funny

    "'As I've said before, my concept of a business model has to treat customers like products to ensure that our journalistic businesses can return to their traditions of controlling everything people see and hear,' Murdoch said. 'Creating fictional news is not cheap, and an industry that gives away its content is simply making us look like greedy control freaks who want to rape the hearts and minds of Americans.'"

    There, fixed that for you.

  18. No you are the one which definitively not get it by aepervius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whenever I buy something I do not want to have my name address and other private information to be spread to the whole world. I want this to be only given to the store I buy from and only for the STRICT necessary purpose of the transaction. And I have got the privacy law of my country agreeeing with me. You may live in a country where all privacy is long gone, but that is your problem. *IF* a store gives my private info to anybody against my will and it was not forseen in the contract I signed with them, then they get my lawyer on their ass, and *I* will win. And if they put originally in their contract that they will provide my user info for anything beyond simple delivery (markleting, etc...) , then they don't get my sale to begin with. And in what I agreed upon with the online storeI use it is *NOT* written they will sell or give my info.

    Secondly that a privacy invasive procedure is NOW available whereas it was not available before, does not mean it should be used. Visa/MC can also "sell" the lsit of all what you buy to marketer. And it would certainly be a very very precise info. That does not mean it is desirable on any ground.

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