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China's Response To the Internet Addiction Death
eldavojohn writes "Last week, news broke of a tragic incident that resulted in the death of a 16-year-old boy at one of China's internet addiction camps. Details were scarce except for reports that the camp remained open. New reports are now coming in from China Daily that report 13 arrested and the camp closed down on Friday with 122 participants being sent home. The vice-chief of the district has stated that the authorities are working on the case to identify and punish the criminals involved in the death. Xinhua is reporting that the camp was unlicensed. This is directly in conflict with what the Southern Metropolis Daily reporter is saying, 'When the reporter arrived outside the rear wall of the school, children on the third and fourth floors started to stick notes into aluminum cans, drink bottles, and slippers, and others folded notes into paper planes. They tried to throw them over the wall, but owing to the distance, none of them succeeded. Some children had papers bearing the messages "SOS" and "beating" which they waved out the windows. Some wrote calls for help on their clothing, which they displayed to the reporter. Some even yelled for help. They were all stopped by the instructors.' Here is that original story in Chinese. Is China handling this delicate issue appropriately or are the news reports of justice and monitoring treatments merely a facade?"
There was a similar case at a Florida boot camp a few years back. A kid was beaten to death, and it was all caught on tape. The murderers were acquitted, but Florida did shut down its boot camps. We'll probably see similar results from this incident in China.
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Is China handling this delicate issue appropriately or are the news reports of justice and monitoring treatments merely a facade?
Of course it is not, you cannot say that a country that allows for few basic freedoms, has a mostly state-run economy, and has almost no non-state run news. Along with no real way for its people to voice their opinion in government matters. So lets see, we have no third-party news service, no public records, and no way for Chinese citizens to act against this. How can anyone say they are anything but a facade?
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
What the Southern Metropolis Daily reported was a case in Guangzhou, Guangdong province, in contrast to the other case in the Guangxi province, where the death happened. See the difference here?
Considering that the "editorial" staff here missed the fact that the Southern Metropolis Daily article covered a DIFFERENT camp with the same problems and claimed that there was conflicting stories...Heh...
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
various practices of western governments. i won't aggrevate your prejudices too much by suggesting some of your fears of an unstoppable march to orwellian fascism in the west are somewhat hysterical or overhyped
but did any of you stop and think that what is going on in iran or china is perhaps exactly what your orwellian fears allude to? and that it might pay more dividends, at least in the realm of intellectual honesty, to criticize those governments rather than western governments?
because no matter how bad it is in the west, surely you can see how downright horrific it is in some other places in the world. not that the west doesn't have problems. not that horrible problems elsewhere doesn't mean you should ignore little problems close by. and of course, it is invalid to be only able to criticize practices in other countries, not your own
its just that, to me, there seems to be a lot of people in the west who fall into a ridiculous trap: some people's ability to criticize ends at the borders of their own countries. you are a human being, right? or does the rationale for your ability to judge right and wrong magically vaporize at the straits of bosporus or the rio grande?
while you make mountains out of molehills in the practices of governments in the west, all i am asking is that you sometimes actually pay attention to the real mountains outside your border. they represent a threat to you just as much, if not more. its not THAT big of a planet you know, and its not the days of slowly sailing ships. what happens in beijing and tehran does have a real and measurable impact on your life, and it isn't a good impact. some days, you should stop beating the drums of the evils of the west, and turn your moral and intellectual concerns outside your borders
the only valid moral and intellectual point of view is a global one, not a western one, nor an indian one, nor a chinese one. its just that, if you only concern yourself with criticism of the west, you fail this qualificiation for being able to consider yourself as having a truly human conscience
stand up, criticize beijing and tehran. it doesn't mean you are suddenly a dick cheney style neocon. the rationale and ability to criticize nonwestern governments does not start with the assumption that you are enamored of western governments. you can hate washington dc just as much as you hate beijing. criticizing the former does not mean you love the latter, and visa versa
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
China involved in a human rights issue? No way. I don't believe it.
There are various exceptions, to try to prevent over geriatrification (if thats a word) of the population.
Couples who were single children themselves, for instance, are allowed a second child.
Interesting to read that the majority of responses here seem to be in sympathy of china because it apparently happened here. Makes me wonder how many slashdot readers are dupes for some chinese propaganda machine... I know that sounds paranoid, but the fact that these stories about china continue to surface, and the "anonymous" internet response is a collective yawn... The fact remains that one cannot know anything of any country that engages in such invasive propaganda management. It may all be true, but I don't believe it. I can't. Not until the chinese people get a chance to express for themselves their condition, no matter how unflattering it may be to "One China".
So please, continue to reply to this message with 'But you do this in your country' or 'your press is just as bad' or 'you're just a stooge of western media'...
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if you have a mile length of road, on one end is pure fascism, and on the other is pure democracy
you have two guys on the road. one guy is a lot closer to fascism, and another a lot closer to democracy
the guy closer to democracy wiggles around a bit, and moves a few inches towards fascism. OMFG! IT'S A SLIPPERY UNSTOPPABLE SLOPE TO ORWELL
but, since its still mostly democracy, the next moment he wiggles a few inches back towards democracy. silence on your part
meanwhile, the other guy down there, right close fascism: he steps a couple of feet deeper towards fascism, cheerfully turns to you, and in classic propaganda, tells you of his great strides towards democracy
and you believe him
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I find that the international media gives a misleading view of what goes on in China. In such cases, for example, they make it seem like China is actively trying to fight corruption and other major issues. In my experience, the reality is nothing like that. The average person, and particularly poor people are constantly getting screwed, both by companies and the government and no one lifts a finger to do anything about it. Action is only taken when something happens to someone wealthy, as was the case here. Most people in China would probably be lucky to earn $1000 a month, let alone pay that much for an internet addiction camp. The only other time the government takes action seems to be when people raise enough furor about an issue.
And the Chinese government likes making a big event of trials and often ends them with harsh punishments. They're almost show trials, except that the charges aren't necessarily trumped up. I wont be surprised if some of those arrested in this case end up being executed.
Yes, Life Is Hard. Accept it, work with it, deal with it. Your posts are getting worse and worse, tending more to victim syndrome. Did you even read all my post or just look for something to take out of context and snipe at?
I'll ask you a third time now DO NOT IGNORE THIS.
YOU, yes, YOU. YOU ask for action, yet YOU suggest NONE. You have ideals and dreams, you have a vision of a better world. Good. But you have no action, no plan, no suggestion as to how this may be done. You look away to foriegn powers to solve your problems, even though you don't suggest to them how they might do so. I'm doing what I can to change my nation, Im doing something, if not a big thing, to break the UKs Tory and Red Tie Tory (Or labour as they still dare to call themselves) hold over the UK.
INCASE YOU SKIPPED THE REST, AGAIN, LOOK HERE.
So. What do YOU suggest be done, that will change your nation. Action, plans. No more pointless banner waving.
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Is China handling this delicate issue appropriately or are the news reports of justice and monitoring treatments merely a facade?"
China is the most worthy heir to the title of Evil Empire (after North Korea at least). Like all communist regimes, it is a despotic tyranny that tramples the rights of its victims, the citizens. So no, China is not handling this appropriately. The governement there cannot implement a solution when it is the source of the problem.
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Tienanmen Square taught us an important thing about ourseïlves. We can't nor are willing to do anything about any of this. Until China commits a sizable atrocity involving millions of people at once, the world is content to read about it with guarded "shock and horror."
You're reasoning on the basis of short slogans, and not actually the rules that these slogans imperfectly summarize.
In the USA, the criminal court system operates on a presumption of the innocence of the defendant. This means that the prosecution has the burden of proving that the charges are true; defendants don't have the burden of proving themselves innocent, and have the right to not testify during the process.
A person truly does commit a murder, but is acquitted of the charge for it, is quite simply an acquitted murderer. If you call somebody an "acquitted murderer" there's of course the issue of why do you believe you are justified in believing that person to be a murderer when the court ruled in his favor, but we're all certainly entitled to our own opinions.
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Let's recap: in that case the guards
- were videotaped punching and kicking a 14 year old, who died soon afterwards
- they did not deny it. In fact, they said it was normal boot-camp procedure. You don't get a much clearer admission than that.
I'm sorry, but I don't need media hype to think that those assholes should be in jail. If not for murder, then for the assault that they're not even denying. It's hard for me to imagine them as innocent of at least that savage beating, when even they admit it. In fact, that it was common procedure and they did it to lots of other children.
We're not even talking about a belting or spanking (much as I'm against those too, but, ok, let's skip that part for now.) We're talking a group of adults punching and kicking a 14 year old child.
To add insult to injury: it wasn't even because said child had actually done anything bad. They were beating him because they thought he was simulating an illness. Except it turns out that the illness was real, and in fact they argued in court (and that was why they were acquitted) that the kid died of the disease not of the punching and kicking received. Again, it's stuff they themselves argued in court, so I'm not doing more than taking their own word for it.
Roll that around in your head a bit: a child received that savage beating (whether lethal or not), just because he was genuinely ill. No other guilt, infraction, misdeed, or anything else involved. Get sick, get beaten. Does that sound right to you?
I mean, FFS, even the advocates of corporal punishments argue that it's to correct some antisocial behaviours. Whereas in this case a child was savagely beaten just for being ill. Instead of being taken to a doctor, he was punched and kicked by a bunch of adults. I can't imagine any scenario, no matter how convoluted, where that can possibly be morally right.
But at any rate, murder or not, by their own confessions they are at the very least guilty of assault. And for that, they earn my heartfelt contempt. Bunch of scumbags.
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Milgram did his experiment because he wanted to understand why the holocaust happened. How did the German guards turn so brutal? There was a myth that it had to be something to do with the German character. Milgram dispelled that myth.
Ignorance of these facts will lead to more beatings in the future, and more deaths. China, Florida, Germany, it doesn't matter where.
In chasing the antecedents of blame, one must look at the organisers of the boot camp. Perhaps they should have known better.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
See, I've never understood this viewpoint. "Well sure, he was being beaten and kicked, but it wasn't the beating and kicking that did it, it was the underlying medical condition, and the forced exercise that he was beaten and kicked to make him do, and there's no way that a violent take-down by a 200-pound guard, landing on him with his full weight could have contributed..."
Sure, he had a medical condition, and sure, their other brutal physically abusive tactics (forced exercise) and contempt for anyone showing weakness, had a lot to do with it. Oh, yeah and blocking his mouth while forcing smelling salts into his nose, thereby cutting off most of his oxygen was a real winning move. But it's all ok because the kicking and beating they did weren't enough, by themselves, to kill him. So let them off scot free by all means.
I mean, good grief, does no-one seem to get it yet? When someone has had enough exercise out in the hot sun, they've had enough. Sure, sometimes they're malingering, and sometimes, they know they've reached their absolute physical limits and will die if they go on. And it's bad enough when someone drops dead at their little league game because the coach is a moron but the players want to please him anyway even though they could theoretically just walk off the field. When it's a prison camp for children and they face violence for stopping, there's just no excuse. It's just ridiculous those guards weren't convicted.
Decades ago, they were "deprogrammers", verbally, mentally, physically, even sexually abusing kids and adults because their victims had belief (by choice or force) that were different their own, so they forced their victims, through abuse, to follow THEIR beliefs, rather than teach them to have a choice. Making them "reprogrammers", not "deprogrammers".
Years later, it was so-called mental health professionals who believed that various forms of abuse against adults and children could "cure" their victims of homosexuality. Even creating "camps" to "change" them.
Then, there are the troubled youth, the fat, the depressed, and more. All finding their way into "camps" to "cure" them through verbal, mental, physical, and/or sexual abuse.
But you know what? The common element in all this is? Not that there are people who need help or need to be "cured". But that there are sick sociopaths and psychopaths out there who found a way to get off on their sick desires of a variety of abuses against children and adults alike.
They find a scapegoat, something to blame, so that they can create a reason to "cure" something.
In the case of those who had been taken advantage of by groups who used brainwashing techniques to force their victims to follow a particular belief, the "deprogrammers" co-opted the same tactic to do the same thing, only they programmed their victims to believe in an "acceptable" religion.
In the case of the victims who were homosexual, they had been the victims of various forms of abuse because society had taught that that is how you treated homosexuals. As many are taught that being the victim of abuse for ANY reason and the resulting emotional horrors from it is actually the victim's fault. So the so-called mental health professionals blamed, not society's obscene teaching that abuse is good, homosexuality as being "bad" and "harmful". So, to get their sick, perverted rocks off, they had a justification for abusing homosexuals.
Scapegoat after scapegoat has been created. All to feed a sick need to have their desires to abuse others justified.
But each and every time, it backfires and shows itself for what it really is. A sick, obscene, perverted desire to abuse others, whether it be verbally, mentally, physically, and/or sexually and whether the victim be adult or child.
And there's no end in sight. "Spare the rod, spoil the child." We've seen just how far THAT is taken. Even the so-called Seat Of Morality, the Vatican, attempts to cover that up. Look to the recent events in Ireland for proof.
It isn't the victims who are the most in need of "curing".
It's the people who claim to have the cure.
Andrew
So this topic has of course brought up the "well the US ain't perfect either!" argument. And no, we are not. However I'd like to think that we do try and have in place the tools to make our trying actually mean something. (Our constitution/Bill of Rights/etc.)
That being said this morn one of our local radio talk shows stumbled upon a serious subject, kiddy porn, via the "My cat downloaded that kiddy pron" excuse story. They then even went deeper and talked about how given how harshly kiddy porn is dealt with here how that can be, and is, used as a weapon vs people. (IE put kiddy pron on your targets computer and then turn them in.)
They actually did a relatively decent job talking about the issue given the show and then an actual IT guy called in and spoke about it. He dispelled a lot of their jovilaity by underlying how serious the issue is as well as, getting to how this relates to China now, telling this story:
Some Chinese national was working here in Fla and left his laptop in some computer lab at some point. The person in question was a journalist working to show the various human rights violations that the Chinese government perpetrates. And so in response to this the Chinese government had an operative call the FBI and tip them off that there was kiddy porn on the guys laptop. The operative then went to the lab and planted the kiddy porn onto the laptop.
I'm sure you can see the mistake, he did it backwards. In court it was proven that the porn was put on the laptop after the tip. But you can imagine the hell that the Chinese national went though even while trying to prove his innocence. (The IT guy said that the attitude surrounding kiddy pron is guilty until proven innocent pretty much right now.)
We may have our issues here in the US, as do the other 1st world free nations, but China still needs to go a long way before they can even close to being viewed as a nation that is not known, and rightly so, for abusing it's own people.
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