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Dell Considering ARM-Based Smartbooks

wonkavader sends us this quote from an article in PCWorld: "In an effort to expand its Linux offerings, Dell is researching new netbook-type devices and will soon offer netbook Linux OS upgrades, a company official said on Wednesday. The company is researching the possibility of offering new Linux-based mobile devices called smartbooks, said Todd Finch, senior product marketing manager for Linux clients, at the OpenSourceWorld conference in San Francisco. The company will also upgrade its Ubuntu Linux OS for netbooks to the latest version in the next few weeks ... Smartbooks with Arm chips have inherent advantages over x86 chips like Atom, such as lower power consumption and longer battery life, according to Finch. The chips are also becoming more powerful, as indicated by the growing number of applications on smartphones, he said. 'I think it's natural and reasonable for us to begin looking at them as they begin scaling their processors up.'"

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  1. Well... by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least now Microsoft can't object to Linux sales on the claim people are wiping them to install bootleg Windows - not on an ARM.

    1. Re:Well... by electrosoccertux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's because running Windows Vista costs you both an ARM and a LEG to get a computer that can run it. Can't do it with just one.

  2. Re:Uh-huh. by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Just"? Negotiating tactic is most certainly at least the consolation prize, but they seem to be doing well with their Ubuntu systems.

    It seems to me that this is more a case of not keeping all of one's eggs in the MS-x86 basket. Using Linux now gives them a head start in developing a polished interface over their competitors and experience in migrating platforms.
    Using ARM now gives them time to work the kinks out of the hardware integration so their ARM laptops can be more stable than the competition's when everyone else starts jumping on the bandwagon.

  3. Re:ARM vs x86 by Hymer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...but it also has a huge disadvantage - it does not run x86 programs."
    You are missing the point, this is only an issue when using Windows and the point is to get rid of Windows.
    There are already a huge amount of applications moved to other CPU architectures and many others need just to be recompiled.
    Yes I do know that it may not be "just recompile" but the Linux community is much faster to adapt than Windows community.

  4. Re:MS will adapt. Eventually. by LoRdTAW · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not every game needs to be bleeding edge to attract players. There are plenty of simple casual games that have a much larger market than the "core" gamer market that will run perfectly fine on a netbook (or what ever the hell they are calling them now). The idea is to focus on game play and mechanics rather than eye candy.

  5. Finally by Andtalath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actual netbooks will come. All current netbooks are small laptops, this is something else which is better.

  6. Re:MS will adapt. Eventually. by rtfa-troll · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Probably they do have experimental builds, but there's very little point in MS actually making products from them. The reason why you want Windows is because Windows apps run on Windows. They also have to produce ARM builds of all of the software that people need. They can do that for their own stuff, but most Windows software is not produced by MS. It's important to remember that when you get Ubuntu, you get a whole load more software than on a plain Windows box and even most of the software not included comes with source code so it's relatively easy for someone to port it to the new architecture. Not to mention that Windows Mobile has done real damage to the Windows brand by looking so much worse than Symbian phones, let alone Android or the iPhone. They can't afford to keep repeating that.

    The Intel Atom is produced specifically to make an i386 platform which competes with the ARM. MS would do much better to commit to that kind of platform. The power consumption is "good enough" and they don't risk splitting their market share.

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  7. Re:ARM vs x86 by Lennie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not ? Their has been a version of Flash for Linux on ARM for years already (see Nokia N810 for example).

    Luckily it's provbably the only non-opensource-program you'd want to install on such a device anyway.

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  8. Re:Nice idea, but let's wait for what Apple is up by EponymousCustard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember that Asus achieved a large success in the netbook market by releasing the eee before everyone else got their act together. If Dell could do the same, they could gain another reasonably large untapped market

  9. Re:ARM vs x86 by Haeleth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You are missing the point, this is only an issue when using Windows and the point is to get rid of Windows.

    It's not quite that simple.

    There are, for example, plenty of cases where people have been able to switch to Linux because they can still run $FAVOURITE_PROGRAM with Wine. And Wine is still tied to x86. I suspect emulating an x86 processor will be a bit beyond most ARM smartbooks.

    There are also a lot of people who, like it or not, do use closed-source software on Linux. I have several closed-source programs installed on the very Linux netbook I'm typing this on. Will the vendors of those programs be happy to port them to ARM? They've already taken a risk just supporting the tiny x86 Linux market; the ARM Linux market is even smaller.

    Don't get me wrong. I love the idea of ARM smartbooks, and if Dell brings one out with Ubuntu on it, I will buy it without a moment's hesitation. I'm just pointing out that x86 is only irrelevant if you only ever use purely F/OSS software, and that isn't universal even among Linux fans.

  10. Re:Uh-huh. by secondhand_Buddah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I honestly don't think Microsoft are this stupid. Getting into the hardware game will give them absolutely no advantage. If anything, it will isolate them from their strongest allies who will definitely begin to step up a unified Linux agenda if MS were to make such a mistake.

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  11. Re:Uh-huh. by iamhassi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "And Apple is getting 7 hour run times out of their normal laptops."

    Great, let me know when I can buy a Apple laptop with a 7 hr battery for $200.

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  12. Re:Uh-huh. by Locutus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    they are already experienced at using ARM because they already ship GNU/Linux on ARM in their computers with the quickboot bios called "Latitude ON". It's an ARM processor and memory on the mobo along with the x86 chips and boots Montavista Linux. So I would say that they are already experienced at this to know how well it does work and would like to capitalize on that ability. As stated, it also takes Microsoft out of the picture regarding existing contracts and changes the ways Microsoft can pressure them to do what Microsoft wants them to do in the design and software packaging whatever that may be.

    IIRC, on those laptops with "Latitude ON", when running on the ARM subsection, that laptops have runtimes counted in days, not single digit hours. And they can play video, do web access, email etc so Dell is in a position to lead or help lead in this sector. Their work with Ubuntu on x86 is another major plus for them and with ARM Inc working with Ubuntu on the ARM platform, that's a strong partnership( Dell, Canonical, ARM ).

    This is an important one to follow and it would be great to see something from Dell this year.

    LoB

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