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UK Lifeguards Dig Their Own 100Mbps Fiber-Optic Link

MJackson writes "The Royal National Lifeboat Institution (RNLI) in Humber, a large tidal estuary situated on the east coast of Northern England, has just become one of the UK's most remote-rural locations to have a next generation 100Mbps Fibre Optic FTTH broadband link installed. The deployment is being sponsored by FibreStream and amazingly the groundworks were completed by the lifeboat crew literally digging their own fibre. We'd do the same on our road, but the government would probably object."

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  1. Good idea. by dov_0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What happened to social responsibility and volunteering? Most people want great service, but just expect someone else to do the work. In the current economic environment, lets hope to see more local projects like this.

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    1. Re:Good idea. by solevita · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The volunteering the people of the RNLI do goes much, much, further than digging trenches for fibre; they save a lot of lives. Well done to them, and to FibreStream for sponsoring; I've not heard of the latter before, but I'll look into their services next time I'm after fibre.

      For once, a well earned Slashvertisment.

    2. Re:Good idea. by troll8901 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Occasionally local projects get stopped due to red tape (either government or corporate).

      A certain cable Internet provider refusing to run cables across the street.

    3. Re:Good idea. by trum4n · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would do it here, but i would get arrested. My area is Comcast only for broadband, and the town council is so uptight that i got harassed by the cops for pulling an engine out of my soon-to-be electric car. I would love to have a land line internet that is faster than 1.5mbps. i am paying for 12mbps, and will never see it.

    4. Re:Good idea. by darkpixel2k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Occasionally local projects get stopped due to red tape (either government or corporate).

      A certain cable Internet provider refusing to run cables across the street.

      That post is BS.
      I've run into the *exact* same situation with Comcast. One of my clients has Comcast less than 50 feet away from their building--it's across a street.

      The part about your story that doesn't line up is that Comcast wouldn't let him pay for it. Comcast flat-out told us if we wanted cable pulled under the street, we would have to pay something on the order of $23,000. Alternatively, we could *find* 10 people in our office park that would commit to 2 years of service and they'd pull the cable for free.

      Instead, we made a deal with a house on the opposite side of the street to host our Comcast modem and one side of a wireless bridge. We still pay the same per month, but we're 'sharing' a small fraction of our internet connection with a nice old lady.

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    5. Re:Good idea. by Heed00 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You seem to have mistaken your internet connection for your penis -- which you have then confused with a marker of your own self worth.

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  2. Hull = Bad ISP area. by growse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They probably felt the need to do this given that all of Hull ISPs are crap.

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  3. Not lifeguards by miketheanimal · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lifeguards are hunky guys (and gals) in swimming costumes who save swimmers (or, rather, non-swimmers!) at beaches and swimming pools. The RNLI is the Royal National Lifeboat Institution: note "lifeboat".

    1. Re:Not lifeguards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What exactly do you think they do with those lifeboats?

    2. Re:Not lifeguards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      They take them out to sea at night, in force 10 gales and save trawlermen and merchant sailors from their sinking ships.

      Its not exactly "Baywatch" you know......

    3. Re:Not lifeguards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lay down fibres?

    4. Re:Not lifeguards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      usually, rescue boats and perform Island ambulance rescue service to get people to mainland hospitals actually

    5. Re:Not lifeguards by somersault · · Score: 4, Informative

      From the index page of the RNLI website:

      Saving lives at sea

      The RNLI is the charity that provides a 24-hour lifesaving service around the UK and Republic of Ireland.

      We'd love to hear from you if you've been helped by RNLI lifeboat crews or lifeguards.

      What would you rather call them - "lifeboat people" perhaps?

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    6. Re:Not lifeguards by miketheanimal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lifeboat crews?

    7. Re:Not lifeguards by RichardJenkins · · Score: 5, Informative

      All sorts of maritime search and rescue work. If your boat breaks down or capsizes, or your stuck in a downed plane, the RNLI will be the ones you want to see. Lifeguards on the other hand work from the beach and are concerned with bathers who get into trouble, usually swimming out and dragging back to shore.

      Both involve lifesaving off the coast, but they're very different and shouldn't be confused. If you called a lifeboat crewman a lifeguard he'd smack you in the face.

    8. Re:Not lifeguards by FudRucker · · Score: 3, Funny
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    9. Re:Not lifeguards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Secretly cut fibre cables running across the Atlantic in the interests of ' National Security' of Course.

    10. Re:Not lifeguards by sbt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok, this is the REAL face of UK Lifeguards:

      A recent rescue:

      http://www.rnli.org.uk/rnli_near_you/news/news_detail?articleid=465627

      The website:

      http://www.rnli.org.uk/what_we_do/sea_and_beach_safety/rnli_lifeguards

      One reason for the RNLI being involved:

      http://www.rnli.org.uk/rnli_near_you/news/news_detail?articleid=466426 ... the Lifeboats regularly found themselves working with Lifeguards on rescues.

      Unlike the Lifeboats many of the Lifeguards are funded on a contract basis. Local Government pays the RNLI to provide them, or at least contributes. In many cases the Lifeguards themselves used to be employed by Local Government. By having the RNLI run the Lifeguards on their beaches the Local Council taps into economies of scale on things like equipment purchasing and backup plus the RNLI's training and expertise.

      Rick

  4. Off the edge of civilization by CaptainOfSpray · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This lifeboat station is a bit remote ( 53 34'34.34"N 0 6'39.69"E - take a look in Google Earth - it's quite a place). According to the station website it is 16 miles to the nearest shop, God knows how how far to a telephone exchange, so ADSL was never an option. Next, the RNLI is a charity supported entirely by money received from the public. They get nothing from the government, which is a Good Thing for the efficiency of the service; but does mean that there was no way to afford the horrendous install fee for 16 miles of cable.

    All the crews and their families live at the station - imagine that as a way of life.

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    1. Re:Off the edge of civilization by Dan541 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wait till some dumbass drops an anchor on it.

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    2. Re:Off the edge of civilization by TeamMCS · · Score: 2, Funny

      RNLI Givuth Life.... ....RNLI Takeuth away :)

    3. Re:Off the edge of civilization by xaxa · · Score: 4, Informative

      Link to Google Maps, for those without Google Earth installed: 53 34'34.34"N 0 6'39.69"E.

      Also, an article about location on Wikipedia -- the area is a nature reserve!

  5. To put the stroy in context.... by mrphoton · · Score: 5, Informative

    You must remember that our national life boar service (RNLI) is a CHARITY and receives NO government sponsorship whatsoever. They get all there cash by collecting in the streets, collecting tins in shops and charity events... They are a truly amazing charity and save hundreds of lives . All there members are highly motivated volunteers who have ordinary jobs but when called upon drop everything and go and save lives what ever the weather. So my point is that it is not so amazing that they dug there own fiber link, they do after all maintain all there own kit and are out to save as much cash as possible because they don't have that much of it in the first place. http://www.rnli.org.uk/rnli_near_you

    1. Re:To put the stroy in context.... by tpgp · · Score: 4, Funny

      FFS, it is their (owner) and not there (location).

      You picked up that? But missed: You must remember that our national life boar service (RNLI) ?

      Or did you think the RNLI was a pigs-in-trouble type of organisation?

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  6. This by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but the government would probably object.

    It got hog-tied in red tape.

    1. Re:This by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is that surprising if you want to dig up public roads and pavements?

      To be honest I wish there was more red tape to prevent every random utility company digging up the road one after another and leaving huge potholes and ramps everywhere.

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  7. Nice work by RedCuber · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thats great - i'm currently in South Africa (working) and it's like going back in time. Still paying $$$ for 64k circuits etc.. i'll get my shovel.

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  8. Re:100mbs is "next generation"? by theeddie55 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Note: your company, and how many computers is that connection shared between, this is FTTH connections, (Fibre To The Home) for a home connection it's very much next generation.

  9. The Issue by sonicmerlin · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are similar projects in Sweden, where companies give the option to customers to bury their own fiber (with periodic oversight of course). This eliminates the initial expense of FTTH installation for the cash-strapped small ISP, and as a by-product apparently significantly reduces churn, as people become emotionally attached to the fiber they dug into the ground. It's a win-win for everyone. Of course in America the incumbents don't actually want everyone to have fiber, as they prefer to charge hugely inflated prices for substandard internet connections that require little to no provisioning of bandwidth.

  10. What the RNLI are.... by Wizard+Drongo · · Score: 2, Informative

    For the americans on here who are quite rightly confused about who and what the RNLI are, they're like the US Coastguard. They go out in boats in insane conditions and save people from sinking. They don't have any helicopters (our navy do that), but aside from that they're pretty much the same. With one minor exception: They receive no funding from the Government whatsoever. Insane though it sounds, they get all their funds from charity donations. Give generously.

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    1. Re:What the RNLI are.... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you might be surprised. Actually, the helicopters are often operated by the HM Coastguard; the base where I learned to fly also hosted a Coastguard search and rescue group, which ran a couple of helicopters.

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    2. Re:What the RNLI are.... by EricTheRed · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you might be surprised. Actually, the helicopters are often operated by the HM Coastguard; the base where I learned to fly also hosted a Coastguard search and rescue group, which ran a couple of helicopters.

      Actually its a combination of all three.

      Although HM Coastguard monitors the coastline, both the RAF and RN have air-sea rescue units for operational reasons (dating back to WWII) but handle the civilian rescues as part of their duties.

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    3. Re:What the RNLI are.... by sbt · · Score: 2, Informative

      On the other hand what we have works.

      And it does have its advantages â" for example:

      Fisheries Protection comes under the people who manage the fisheries, and set the rules that they enforce, rather than being a poor relations within a Law Enforcement agency.

      Protection of Oil Rigs is provided by the same assets who provide similar protection to all UK assets rather than there being a separate small CG 'military lite' unit to train and equip.

      HM Customs and Excise don't have to call in a separate agency when dealing with maritime smuggling that 'crosses the beach' â" its all one team.

      Maritime safety, rule setting, enforcement and accident response are under one organisation.

      Rescue is provided by assets that have no Law Enforcement role â" so people don't delay calling for help when the accident they have had is due to breaking the rules. Bear in mind that calling early not only saves live aboard casualties, it means less risky rescues and hence less risk to the rescuer.

      Once again - why break something that works? Why, for example, 'Nationalise' the RNLI, loosing all that goodwill and expertise, to provide something that costs the taxpayer more?

      BTW â" even if Scotland became independent (Troll?) its likely that the RNLI would continue to provide the Lifeboats, as they do in the Republic of Ireland.

      Rick

  11. Re:100mbs is "next generation"? by marcansoft · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not in Sweden. A friend of mine has 1gbps fiber municipal Internet at his house (previously 100mbps twisted pair).

  12. Not a good thing they get no govt money by fantomas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "the RNLI is a charity supported entirely by money received from the public. They get nothing from the government, which is a Good Thing for the efficiency of the service;"

    I wouldn't say "efficiency of service" is measured as to whether or not you get government money. I have worked for commercial companies that are incredibly inefficient and they don't get a penny of government money. I'd not say "efficiency" is a direct correlation to how much you have to do with a government. Maybe distance from funding source, not giving a damn where the money's coming from and not being accountable?

    I personally also find it amazing and shocking that as a small island nation the people responsible for pulling drowning people out of the water, going miles out to sea in huge storms to save drowning sailors and rescue fishermen are voluntary and unfunded.

    1. Re:Not a good thing they get no govt money by sbt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The key thing is, it works (as it does in France, Germany and Holland). If it ain't broke, don't try and fix it.

      Having local volunteers means that local knowledge is retained, people are following their own career in there 'day job' so leaving a station 'on promotion' isn't an issue.

      It also means that stations can exist that any government expenditure review would delete due to the low number of rescues they undertake. The point is that there are locations where a Lifeboat is rarely needed, but when it is its REALLY needed, and FAST.

      Whilst a charity the RNLI is very professional, crew are trained to a high standard, in part at a large specialist training centre in Poole, Dorset. The boats are second to none â" most go to the Lifeboat Services of other countries when the RNLI finishes with them. Others end their lives as Pilot Boats.

      Rick

  13. Re:100mbs is "next generation"? by theeddie55 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rural Britain tends to be a little slower though, I'm lucky if I can get 2mbs where I live.

  14. Re:Government objecting? by Annwvyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unless, of course, the company (which already most likely has a monopoly over the area) has paid off the town leaders in order to force the people to hire the company so they can squeeze as much out of the taxpayer as possible. In the USA... I wouldn't be surprised.

  15. Re:100mbs is "next generation"? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not so. Wider fibre is easier to lay because it is harder to damage, but requires photons to be spaced further apart because total internal reflection means that the path lengths (and, hence, transit time) of two consecutive photons (or, more likely, bursts of photons) can differ by a significant amount and cause errors if the second arrives before the first. Additionally, different fibres - and even fibres laid with different amounts of bending - can leak photons (fire a laser through a drum of fibre and see it light up) limiting the maximum throughput because you need to fire larger bursts of photons to ensure that a detectable number arrive. I doubt they're running the cable at the full speed, but fibre is no more equivalent to any other fibre than copper is equivalent to any other copper.

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  16. You also have.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...a teeny apartment about as large as most people's bathrooms in the US, and pay more for it then what a two story home sitting on a few acres costs here. And twice a day you stand up smashed against other humans, just to go ride back and forth to some office where you can be smashed up against other humans all the work day long.

    Much as I would like better internet service, that sort of trade is not a good one. A lot of people just wouldn't like that human termite existence.

  17. Re:Government objecting? by jabithew · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can think of many reasons the government might object to the roads being dug up; firstly the surface of the roads is never adequately repaired, leaving permanent damage to the roads. Often to lay fiber to your community (e.g. the village where my parents live) would involve digging up large tranches of busy road that are vital traffic routes.

    Out of curiosity, why can't we tunnel under roads using robots to lay fiber?

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  18. Humber Lifeboat Station Details and Links by sbt · · Score: 2, Informative

    Further details about the Humber station:

    Its the only station with a fully professional crew. Other stations are either all volunteer (those with only Inshore boat), have one (Mechanic) or two (Coxswain & Mechanic) professionals with the rest of the crew being volunteers (the big All Weather boats) or a largely professional crew supplemented by volunteers (the E Class boats on the River Thames in London).

    There are several advantages to using volunteers, one very important one being that its possible to justify having stations that do very few rescues but are there for the rare occasions where someone needs them.

    YouTube of the installation

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozoA4x5k2Dg

    Humber Lifeboat Station at the RNLI website:

    http://www.rnli.org.uk/rnli_near_you/north/stations/humbereastyorkshire/?page=2

    Humber Lifeboat "Pride of the Humber" - around UKP 2 Million (USD 3 Million) of Fly By Wire All Weather Goodness

    http://www.rnli.org.uk/who_we_are/press_centre/photos/photo_detail?articleid=344763

    The crews website

    http://www.spurnpoint.com/lifeboat.htm

    Humber Lifeboat at work

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2WtSPcGpKw

    No connection with the RNLI btw, other than they once rescued me and I donate by subscription.

  19. Household cavalry by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Life Guards are one of the regiments in the Household Cavalry.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Guards_(British_Army)
    Now why are they digging holes like civilian labourers?

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  20. Re:100mbs is "next generation"? by sjames · · Score: 2, Informative

    You're talking about multi-mode vs. single-mode fiber. Lower speed links can get away with somewhat longer runs of multi-mode fiber, but even at 100Mbps it's not THAT long. Once you get beyond 2000m you need single-mode anyway. Once you've run the single mode fiber, you have the option to go to gigabit or 10 gigabit speeds and/or add additional channels at other wavelengths.

    Poor installation (including excessively sharp turns) can be a limitation but in general, you don't have to replace the fiber to take advantage of newer or better technology at the ends.

    The fragility isn't that big a problem in buried cable since they are layered and contain aramid fibers for strength with an outer waterproof cover.

    Given the cost of burial compared to the cost of the fiber and the minimal added cost for more fibers in the same length cable, you generally use cables with 24 fibers in them. It just doesn't make much sense to skimp on the cable when you have fixed and expensive time effort and cost in burying the thing.

    So they could have limited themselves, but most likely have plenty of headroom.