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The Decline of the Landline
Death Metal writes "The phone network is thus not just a technical infrastructure, but a socioeconomic one. The more Americans abandon it to go mobile-only or make phone calls over the Internet, the more fragile it becomes: its high fixed costs have to be spread over ever fewer subscribers. If the telephone network in New York State were a stand-alone business, it would already be in bankruptcy. In recent years it has lost 40% of its landlines and revenues have dropped by more than 30%."
I might have kept a landline, if it weren't for the fact that the only calls that I ever got on it were Telemarketers.
One compelling reason is quality. For instance, I had some job interviews recently, and I'd never do an interview over a cell phone. You worry about the calls cutting out, cuts here and there in the quality, and not being able to hear a question over the phone just looks bad.
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Why do I keep my landline?
DSL
My security alarm needs it
The sound quality is far better than any cell I've ever had
During my 5 day power outage, my landline still worked
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Businesses still need land lines unless you plan on giving everyone a work cell phone or have them share phones.
Or, you know, just get VoIP.
In the area of New Orleans where I live (and didn't flood), the only way for people to communicate with the outside world was with land lines and old phones which are powered completely off the line (no wall warts).
Much of the cellular system didn't work. The remaining working systems were nearly impossible to use.
I hate using cell phones for more than a few minutes and always use a land line for long conversations. I also need to keep the land line for our alarm systems.
I was amazed to discover that my collection of 40s - 70s rotary dial phones dial perfectly on the Cox Digital phone system.
Who needs WW3 to realize the value of land lines? Did you not watch War of the Worlds (the George Pal version)? Remember the scene when the power failed and the phones were out, also? Normally the average power failure does not affect the landline phone system because it is on a different electric circuit. Anyone who truly wants to "stay connected" in an emergency needs to consider that very likely the landlines will still work after a power failure, and continue to work even after the cell phone batteries die and cannot be recharged. (Even if you had a solar-power battery charger, what of the power for the cell towers?)
It may be OK for the landlines to be removed from service (lotta copper there, to recycle), but only AFTER the wireless networks are robust enough for people to stay connected in emergencies.
You don't need voice service on your landline for DSL. If Qwest told you this(they tried to tell me this), they lied.
Newer GE Security alarms support cellular networks, although this does increase your monthly monitoring bill by $30 or more.
Got me there, hard line voice quality is very good. As for reliability, I've never had a long term outage on any cell carrier or a land line so I can't differentiate the two.
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My two 5.8 GHz cordless phones--one for my work line, and one for my home line--sound worlds better than my cell phone. Most importantly, they don't have the latency and echo that is so common on all cell phone calls I've ever had.
What's worst is any call where there's more than one cell phone call involved. People are always talking over each other and that real-time cadence that's so nice about in-person and land-line calls just goes away. It reminds me of back when a significant amount of intl'l calls went over satellite when I was a kid; it was impossible to have a normal conversation.
But back to my cordless phones: unless you are in a dense urban environment where everyone else is using the same channels as you on their cordless phones, or unless you're using out of date technology like 2.4 GHz phones that interfere with 802.11x, static is a non-issue. Oh yeah, I guess there are probably really cheap ones with bad transmitters, but I bought one of my phones at Costco, one at Radio Shack and spent less than $100 on each of them four and six years ago.
Finally, my office is in the finished basement of my house. If I tried to have a conference call with clients using my cell phone, I'd get dropped calls 90% of the time.
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Phone lines get power from the grid. You are correct that when the power goes out, the phones continue to work, and that is because they have massive banks of submarine batteries at the various exchanges to provide power for when the power is out. These batteries will not last forever, likely somewhere around 24 hours. My cell phone has a 5 day standby time (in theory)and I can charge it from my car.
I guess I am arguing that land lines aren't as robust as you might think they are. You cell phone battery will likely outlast the battery at the local exchange. Also, if there are major fiber breaks, it might take longer to restore land line service, becuase a lot of cell phone towers use wireless backhauls... Just my $.02.
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The decline of the landline is not due solely to changing usage patterns and technology but rather due to the anti-customer regulatory and business environment for landline phones.
A poster up thread was perhaps more insightful than he realized when stating that the problem with a landline is that telemarketers keep calling. After the MFJ, incoming toll was highly profitable for local exchanges, and they encouraged incoming toll, and lobbied to protect telemarketers, and fought things like caller ID.
And in the wake of the MFJ, phone service as a business changed from being a benevolent and responsible (if bureaucratic) utility to being a cost-driven race to the bottom. Service suffered. Innovation suffered. Prices for local telephone service went up. In the last few years I've received a disconnect notice for paying my phone bill two weeks late, I've been charged a $60 fee for the company to repair their own facilities (by a CLEC who said it was in their tariff because the ILEC charged them and they had to cover costs), I've had customer service reps hang up on me, and I've had service that was at best no more reliable than that provided 30 years ago.
And for this privilege I pay approximately $45 a week for a basic service bundle including caller ID and long distance. That is slightly more than I pay for my mobile phone. And is it somehow a premium service worthy of a premium price? Most assuredly not.
Technologically, the wired carriers should have an edge. The technologies are identical until the last mile. In the last mile, the wired carrier has essentially unlimited capacity and higher reliability. But that doesn't make up for the poor service and bad public policy upstream.
In my brother's area and my parents area, landlines stayed up for a day or 2 longer than the cellphones. But cellphones came back several days faster than the landlines. And some areas had cell service longer where the telecoms had put in sufficiently large batteries and generators (which isn't required for cell sites).
Nonsense, ham radio is far superior than land line, it gives the sound quality an earthly vibrant texture, unlike the harsh undertones of the land line.
If the landline would just compete with the cell network, not as many people would be turning it off.
I mean, if I could make my landline phone ring different tones for different callers, block calls from whoever I don't want to talk to (I'd be downloading the whole range of "Who called me" perpetrators from the internet), forward the phone to another phone remotely, either over the internet or over another phone, have voicemailboxes that would decode the voice, create text, and e-mail it to me at work or text it to me on a cell, and all the other features anyone can think of, then... maybe it'd be useful enough to actually want to hang onto.
I keep it because its WAAAAAY more reliable than my cell, but it could stand a lot of 21st century upgrading.
most have backup generators and most urban areas have more than one tower. Redundant power + redundant towers + microwave transmission = high availability. Now that isn't 100% true all the time in all areas, but living in a hurricane state the only problem with the cell towers was they were jammed up from over use because all the landlines go down.... keep calling and you will get through. Wireless also has the advantage of being able to add extra capacity during an emergency by bringing in portable cells - they do this at many sporting events. They can be run right from the bed of a truck with a gas generator and a satellite or microwave link.
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I saw "artificial or prerecorded voice", had a feeling of disbelief, and looked for the statute myself. As written, it would appear to discriminate against people who use a speech synthesizer to communicate, like Stephen Hawking.
It's funny that *having* to replace phones every few years is seen as progress when 30 years ago a phone could last twenty years and work right every time. I still have a twenty-year old phone that I keep around for when the electricity goes out at home.
...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.