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First American Internet Addiction Treatment Center

An anonymous reader writes "Taking their lead from China, two Americans have opened the first US-based Internet Addiction treatment center in Fall City, Wash. — ironically close to Redmond (Microsoft's hometown). The center, called reStart: Internet Addiction Recovery Program, is a 45-day treatment center where, for a steep set of fees, people can be cured of their addiction to the Web. After paying the $200 application fee, addicts are charged $14,500 for the 45 days, an additional $800 for a screening, and more for extra services, like kayaking ($1,575)."

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  1. reStart? by Flea+of+Pain · · Score: 2, Funny

    Shouldn't they have called it reboot? Just sayin'...

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    1. Re:reStart? by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, reboot comes before restart. Reboot's when you kick yourself in the ass for being stupid, before you actually do something about it.

  2. That would cure me... by Anarchduke · · Score: 5, Funny

    No wonder they cure Internet addiction, after paying 15 grand, you couldn't even afford dial up.

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    1. Re:That would cure me... by xaxa · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know what they say about a fool and his money...

      I'd best Google it, just to be sure...

  3. money by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it very well sounds like the goal here isn't so much to actually "treat" people so much as to make large sums of money by catering to those of us who have access to lots of cash.

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    1. Re:money by EggyToast · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seems like it would be a lot cheaper to simply go 45 days with no internet access.

    2. Re:money by Jaysyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Especially the insurance rackets.

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    3. Re:money by pluther · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Concerned Parents would be the target market here, I'm guessing.

      And why are they Concerned? Because they read all the marketing literature about the horrible fate awaiting their precious little snowflakes if they spend too much time on WoW.

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    4. Re:money by Golias · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it needs to be made more clear to the older generation that, no matter how much they don't like it, the fact is that the day is rapidly approaching when the person who doesn't spend *enough* time on the Internet will be the socially dysfunctional one.

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    5. Re:money by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It will be worse than that. We will soon spend a lot of our time "connected" in some way. We already reached the point where we are always, everywhere readily reachable, something that was anything but normal a little over a decade ago. Today you're seen as some sort of weirdo if you don't have a cell and thus can't be reached everywhere, including tub and can.

      When I look at some of the kids I'm working with, I see a trend towards an urge to be "omnipresent", at least virtually. They want to be in touch with everyone they know, they expect their friends to be reachable rather than being called back, likewise, they feel disconnected if they cannot be reached instantly. I rather see a trend towards more mobile connectivity rather than being more "static" connected. They don't just want to be able to reach others, it's important for them to be reachable.

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  4. Those telco companies don't know where to stop by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

    People will now have to pay monthly fee for not being connected to the Internet as well?

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  5. SWEET! by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can I sign up online?

  6. Brilliant! by Angst+Badger · · Score: 4, Funny

    I must give a nod to this highly creative solution to net addiction: charge the victim so much money they can afford neither a computer nor a net connection! The elegance of the solution is awe-inspiring.

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    Proud member of the Weirdo-American community.
  7. Forgive me if I'm skeptical by rehtonAesoohC · · Score: 5, Informative
    They didn't talk about the qualifications of the people who run this place, only that they are:

    Two friends -- Cosette Rae, a clinical social worker, and author Hilarie Cash

    Now, these people could be people devastated by personal loss due to too much World of Warcraft by a loved one... or they could be two people who are fearmongerers desperately trying to leech cash out of rich Microsoft yuppie parents who can't figure out how to pull the plug on their kid's computerboxstation360.

    All I'm saying is the article doesn't mention anything about them, and given the lack of PhD or even MD behind the names... I'll say nothing to see here, move along.

    1. Re:Forgive me if I'm skeptical by rehtonAesoohC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What are YOU talking about?

      I never said that they couldn't open a clinic without a having a medical degree... All I was saying is that I wouldn't trust those people as far as I could throw them to help others with their addictions.

      I mean, they didn't even include a quote from the starters with why they do what they do...

  8. Kayaking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm surprised it's not just a room full of prostitutes and an all you can eat plan for a week.

  9. What a rip off... by Zakabog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So basically you're paying $15,000 for summer camp? I mean, there wouldn't be much that they do there that would help any more than just spending a month and a half outdoors with a large group of people away from computers. You're simply showing the people that there's more to do out there while helping them build real world social skills by keeping them in a group. The $15,000 is way excessive, and if you've got that kind of money lying around I can't imagine your internet addiction being that much of a problem.

  10. Odd by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's odd how they've conveniently changed the meaning of "addiction". The definition used to be that for something to be addictive, it had to have physical withdrawal symptoms, like alcohol, caffiene, niccotine, heroin, etc. What used to be separately termed "habituation" is now termed "addiction".

    However, as I learned when quitting cigarettes, the habituation can be as bad as the addiction. Two years after I stopped, and didn't even WANT a cigarette, I still slapped the shirt pocket that used to hold the cigarettes when I left work. Do anything for thirty years and you'll miss it, even if "it" is being hit on the head with a stick.

    1. Re:Odd by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I also think it is odd how low the bar seems to be for categorizing non-destructive actions as "addictive". Using the Internet is not a harmful activity. You can surf the net plenty, and suffer no ill effects in terms of health, family, job, etc. While you certainly can go overboard and start doing it at the exclusion of everything else in your life, well you can do that for ANYTHING in your life. However the activity isn't harmful in and of itself, even in large amounts (unlike, say, drinking alcohol which will hurt you if done heavily).

      However for some reason there seems to be a lot of people that want to classify heavy Internet use or gaming as "addiction." "Oh that guy goes home and plays Warcraft for 4 hours a day after work! He's addicted! Now if you'll excuse me I have to go watch 4 hours of TV, like a normal person." Just because a person likes to goof off a lot on the Internet, doesn't make that goofing off any more problematic than any other recreation. One of the nice things for many people living in a first world nation is that you have a lot of time to amuse yourself since your more basic needs are taken care of.

      I think part of the problem is what you are on to is the reclassification as these things as "addiction." Now that they are addictions, they get evaluated with that standard. Well if someone comes home every day and drinks alcohol continuously for hours and then passes out, yes, they have a problem, they are almost certainly addicted to it. However that is very different from coming home and spending hours on a hobby.

    2. Re:Odd by Cederic · · Score: 2, Funny

      The best treatment for this is a behavioural therapy known as CBT.

      While I concede that Cock and Ball Torture would indeed dampen my enthusiasm for online gaming I hadn't heard of it being a professional behavioural therapy option.

      At least, not that type of professional..

    3. Re:Odd by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe it's some sort of reverse Pavlov conditioning. You know, every time you cast a spell, you get your nuts stapled to the chair or something like that.

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  11. Re:Website? by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 4, Informative

    So, do they have a website?

    Of course. http://www.netaddictionrecovery.com/

    Myspace page?

    Don't be silly.

    Twitter page?

    Yep. http://twitter.com/GetYourLifeBack

    Facebook page?

    Yep. http://www.netaddictionrecovery.com/social-network/facebook.html

    Youtube channel?

    They're probably still working on it...

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  12. Re:Website? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Probably the attendants will keep everyone informed about their progress on Twitter, and afterwards blog about their success, and maybe even put some videos on YouTube about how they are no longer internet addicts.

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  13. I have my own internet addiction treatment center by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 4, Funny

    it's called my back yard. The director? My wife. Both are very effective.

  14. P.T. Barnum Had it Right by whisper_jeff · · Score: 3, Informative

    "There's a sucker born every minute."

    Sorry, but anyone who pays over $15k to "cure" themselves of addiction to the internet is an idiot. I can cure it for you faster, easier, and cheaper - in fact, you'll MAKE money.

    Cancel.

    Your.

    Internet.

    There. I saved you over $15k.

    Sorry for the lack of sympathy but there are people out there with real addictions who need help. "Internet addiction" is a complete joke.

    And, for anyone who is about to point out people who have an obsessive need to be online, don't confuse OCD behaviour with addiction. The two are different. One may lead to the other but they are not the same. People aren't addicted to the internet. Sorry.

    1. Re:P.T. Barnum Had it Right by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but anyone who pays over $15k to "cure" themselves of addiction to the internet is an idiot.

      True

      Sorry for the lack of sympathy but there are people out there with real addictions who need help.

      So you cant afford more sympathy because other people need help? Are you helping those other people or just feling sorry for them?

      "Internet addiction" is a complete joke.

      And you base that opinion on what exactly? Your graphic design experience?

      And, for anyone who is about to point out people who have an obsessive need to be online, don't confuse OCD behaviour with addiction

      I really dont get this one. OCD's are addictions by nature. Are you saying it's not addiction because it's not chemical? There are many studies that show chemical changes in the brains reward system while using the internet. Anorexic disorders are treated as addictive behaviors and there is plenty of evidence for gambling addictions as well. Do you tell them stay out of the casinos? You might as well tell me to
      Just.

      Quit.

      Smoking.

      You think that is really all it takes? Perhaps I should spare some sympathy for you.

      One may lead to the other but they are not the same

      Addiction and OCD are two different types of descriptors. Addiciton is a generic and ambiguos medical term, while OCD is term used in psychiatric diagnoses. Someone categorized as having OCD would show addictive behaviors; that is they would exhibit symptoms of repeated uncontrollable urges. An addict could show signs of OCD as they exhibt symptoms of anxiety and intrusive thoughts. But so what, what point does that even make? Should we say "Oh well it's just in internet obsession/compulsion, not a real problem," because you think OCD isn't as bad as addiction?

      In the most basic terms addiction is defined as continuing to do something despite the negative consequences associated with doing it. Some people have been found to use the internet despite the negative consequences. This list includes loss of family, freinds, financial standing, helath and even death. For all intents and purposes they are addicted to the internet. Many addicts have been found to be unable to treat their addictions without help, so treatment centers are being established. The only joke here is the price. I'm sorry you think that's not true but you are wrong.

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  15. So... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    How much does a fatal beating go for? Are the prices competitive, or should I import one from china?

  16. Re:Website? by rehtonAesoohC · · Score: 4, Funny
    Oh man, I found this HILARIOUS:

    I had for a very extended period of time an addiction to an online game. I was very antisocial and i basically lived to play. Talking to Cosette helped me learn how to look at my addiction from another perspective. She got me to try to stop and i did. Now I am a much happier person and I have made an incredible amount of progress in my life. I have so many more friends, and I find that things come more easily to me, and I find joy in more things. Putting my life into one thing was horrible for me and now I have learned to apply myself, and I have broken my addiction. Thanks alot --Conner

    Guide to the perfect testimonial:

    Step 1: Use generalized words when talking about time. For example, instead of saying "for two years," use the term "very extended period of time."
    Step 2: Mention that you now have a new perspective due to talking with --insert name here--. Don't go into detail about what your perspective is now or what it was then.
    Step 3: Instead of detailing what steps you took to stop, just say - "she got me to try to stop and i did."
    Step 4: Claim that you are happier
    Step 5: Claim you now have bajillions of friends!
    Step 6: ?????
    Step 7: Profit!

  17. Internet Addiction by lobiusmoop · · Score: 4, Funny
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    "I bless every day that I continue to live, for every day is pure profit."
  18. Why is this tagged with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... 'shakawhenthewallsfell' ?

    Despite that this is a reference to one of the greatest Next Generation episodes ever, I'm not sure I see the connection.

    1. Re:Why is this tagged with... by paazin · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to Memory Alpha:

      "Shaka, when the walls fell" - failure

      So, my guess it's just generic Star Trek geek for 'epic fail'

  19. Re:Internet Addition = Pornography Addition by eln · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Some of the Internet-addicted may be porn addicts, but I'd wager a significant percentage of them are MMORPG addicts (most notably WoW). There are plenty of stories out there of people so addicted to that game, and others like it, that they suffer many of the same consequences (loss of family, job, etc) that hardcode substance abusers do.

    Rather than focus on pornography, or even the Internet, I would focus more on addictive behaviors in general. Some people are simply more prone to addiction than others, and will become addicted to any number of things. Organizations like AA claim to beat addiction, but what they really do is redirect the addiction to less harmful (in theory) pursuits. So, many recovering addicts become heavy coffee drinkers, or heavy smokers, or get really big into religion (God addiction?).

    A particular "XYZ Addiction" program may be useful to XYZ addicts because it puts them in with a group of people suffering from the same addiction, and maybe they can draw some support from each other. The ultimate goal of any of them, though, is simply to try and redirect the addictive tendencies toward less harmful addictions.

  20. Re:Internet Addition = Pornography Addition by Seumas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They should have a service like this for religious people. Religious nutcase addicts are far more dangerous than some dude that plays warcraft all day or something.

  21. How much extra... by LabRat007 · · Score: 2

    ...to be beaten to death?

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    "Capital punishment makes the state into a murderer. Imprisonment makes the state into a gay dungeon-master"
  22. Re:Website? by eln · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have so many more friends, and I find that things come more easily to me

    Obviously, she broke his WoW addiction by getting him addicted to Facebook!

  23. Re:I wonder if... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder if the beatings are free, or if you pay extra for that?

    We prefer to call them, "Physical Realignment Therapy Sessions".

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  24. Re:Internet Addition = Pornography Addition by Gorobei · · Score: 3, Funny

    So the program is ideal. Screw $1,500 of kayaking - think $15,000 of "exotic roleplaying." Man, this spa thing could be a winner - 45 days at a hotel-like spa with outside activities? Set it up right and Blue Cross will even pay for it.

    I am so there! Sorry, boss, I need 45 days off to cure my internet addiction - I'll be kayaking, deep-sea fishing, and TFing hookers. No prob, I hate to do it, but it's the only way to reconnect with reality. Oh, and you are paying, don't make me invoke the "Americans with disabilities" law.

  25. Definition of "addiction" for Americans by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 4, Funny

    ad . dic . tion, n.: The state or practice of engaging in an activity that does not earn money for one's boss. See antonymns at "well-adjusted" and "slave."

  26. Re:Internet Addition = Pornography Addition by mrnobo1024 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey Stalin, ever heard of the first amendment?

  27. Re:Internet Addition = Pornography Addition by plopez · · Score: 2, Funny

    Pornographic images and video have the largest percentage (although it may not necessarily exceed 50%) of Internet bandwidth.

    there are other uses for the internet? ;)

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  28. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Naw, irony would be if they offered classes online.

  29. WoW has wanton use of Weapons. Who's dangerous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Porno just teaches one repetive maneuver that doesn't scale into weapons well, unless it's a small stabbing action with a knife. WoW is giant chatroom where everyone gets together and willfully injures another single or group of people. Those 2nd-amendment kids out there all studied their rifle and handguns, were disciplined in the safe and effective usage, and acknowledge the 3 stages of boastfullness so that the would know the origin of violence and how to be peaceful and honoured societies as to not escalating most disputes to a dead end. As a result of WoW, people develop opinions, get dummer, and ackowledge a weapon as the only easy way to achieve Gain.

    And here in the United States everyone blaims the gun, even Obama, even Democrats and Republicans. Blame shallow perceptions of social interaction. Don't blame the fart, don't blame the beans, blame the undiscplined man that dealt it.

    Porno teaches a well-rounded man how to use his or her genetitals; for the shallow mind, those matters of perception are not in sight but the perception of an entertainable activity.

  30. Re:Internet Addition = Pornography Addition by mrnobo1024 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seumas said: They should have a service like this for religious people. So, in his world, if you're a religious person (any kind - he didn't add any qualifiers), you get put in a "treatment center". That sure sounds like prohibiting free exercise to me.

  31. Re:Internet Addition = Pornography Addition by billcopc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We're all pretty much guessing here, so I will present my best educated guess. IANAPsychologist, I only took Psych classes to get chicks...

    First of all, just because someone spends a lot of time doing one thing, that does not make them an addict. To be addicted to something, you have to feel drawn to it against your will, it must be an overwhelming urge. You know the old saying "I can quit any time I want, just not today"... that's addiction! If the very idea of stopping is a stressful thought, it's addiction. If you play WoW 16 hours a day because you enjoy it, and have nothing better to do, it's just a perfectly normal hobby. Have fun and please don't grief me!

    If a person is truly addicted to something, drugs/sex/internet/anything, to a degree where it can be considered harmful, chances are the obsessive behaviour is a way to escape some stressful element in their life. Addiction is a symptom, a coping mechanism. You don't treat the symptom, you treat the cause.

    A few years ago, one would have said I was addicted to WoW. I played it 16 hours a day, did almost nothing else. I wasn't addicted to a game, I was burnt out from a soulless job, broke and depressed out of my skull; the game was a way to shunt that negativity aside and keep from going batshit insane. It provided the cheap on-demand gratification I needed to stay out of the dumps, and by that definition it was successful. It floated me through a few rough months and gave me time to deal with my issues.

    In light of that, I believe these so-called internet addiction camps can only cause more harm. To charge that amount of money, for what equates to six weeks of adult summer camp, is to prey on the weak. It does not address the underlying problem at all. An "internet addict" would be better served by a psychologist/therapist, and for that kind of money you could see your therapist twice weekly for a whole year, which is extreme overkill. You'll probably be cured after a dozen sessions or so, but "cure" isn't the right word, I prefer "empowered", because the change has to come from within. A therapist helps you map out the path, but you have to take that step toward self-respect and self-control.

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  32. Re:Internet Addition = Pornography Addition by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't mind religious people. I know a few people who are devout Christians. I also know a few people who're really into Islam. The funny thing is that they get along pretty well. And why not? I mean, both believe in one god with probably slightly different hairdo (we'll never know, after all neither may draw pictures of him) and they call him by different names.

    They're no problem. Enjoy and live and do whatever your favorite pastime may be. Mine is hacking virtual beings, yours is worshipping one, no harm in either. I also don't mind if you run around telling everyone how cool your imaginary friend is.

    It stops being cool when people go around beating up people or worse in the name of their imaginary friend, because they claim he doesn't like what they're doing. It's kinda odd to see laws being passed based on the ideas of your imaginary friend. I mean, just because Harvey here thinks it's cool to force everyone to eat carrots on Sundays, I can't go around cramming orange vegetables down everyone's throat and, when (rightfully) arrested, claim it was Harvey's idea and thus should be law.

    Freedom of speech, fine. Freedom to force your views onto me to limit mine, not fine.

    He didn't talk about religious people. They're ok. If that's what you need to enjoy your life, more power to you. Enjoy it. He was talking about religious nutjobs. Which is, at least by my standards, anyone who deems it right to force the behaviour which is "right" according to his religion on other who couldn't care less what some God or Goddess or Spirit or whatever wants.

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