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Speculating On the Far Future of Cellphones

Trio writes "What will cellphones look like in in future? silicon.com explores five future characteristics that could shape tomorrow's phones — from a wearable prototype such as MIT's SixthSense device which projects mobile data into the user's world, to a mobile that mixes the real and the virtual by using holographic telepresence. So far, so futuristic, but one question remains: will there be enough spectrum to support all this wireless communication?"

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  1. a REAL cellphone by frecky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, a real cellphone that let you dial a number and speak with someone. Not those with tons of addons that you forget you can dial number with !

    1. Re:a REAL cellphone by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah! And some sort of wireless repelling device to keep those damn kids off my lawn!

    2. Re:a REAL cellphone by swordgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So when you talk about simple, old-fashioned cell phones, what exactly do you mean by "dial a number?"

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    3. Re:a REAL cellphone by techess · · Score: 4, Funny

      That reminds me of one of the few cell phone commercials I've liked.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7x1aic74Mg

      My cell phone comes with crime deterrent.

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    4. Re:a REAL cellphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you'll find the GP was being a little sarcastic about wanting a phone that can just be a phone, but I understand where he is coming from when it comes to lots of features.

      What I dislike about much modern tech is that many many features are there simply to be able to peddle further services (cameras are on phones so users have something to MMS, for example). Or features are crippled so as to up-sell to a better or later version, or to force the user to have to use a pay-for service instead (bluetooth missing the ability to transfer files is an example). And there is levels of branding and advertising on phones that would be called adware on a PC! A 3G Sony phone I had a run in with recently had undeletable entries in the music directory to the network operator's music download and ringtone download services. It was a similar story in other user data storage and application areas. The camera had features to MMS a picture straight after being taken, but also had a feature to upload it to a blog. Even the FM radio had a feature crammed in to encourage the user to use mobile internet connectivity - you could record a clip, upload it to some service and they tell you what the song was.

      And the main interface had 2 buttons who's use couldn't be customised, which launched the browser and favourites. It's all about getting the features in the user's face, and stopping them from getting away from them. Kind of like a browser homepage hijack.

      The pressure of phone maker's and network's business interests mean that phones don't really get any better in the way customers would like, instead they get more and more money making features, and the devices get hyped to hell as being the fastest and most powerful thing around.

      I think many customers want a phone that is cheap to use, has decent battery life, and is designed in such a way that it will last a long time, i.e. waterproof enough that a quick swim in a sink won't kill it, and quite strong.

      So we don't need features like cameras and MMS, mobile internet, podcast downloading, youtube support.... Or at least things like this not implemented in annoying in-your-face ways.

      The recent article on /. about a wireless power standard would be very useful to make a phone totally sealed, and so waterproof. Electric toothbrushes have had cordless charging and been waterproof for 30 years, so the lack of this in phones is simply the industry dragging their feet. I'd bet phones damaged by water, and the consequential warranty voiding is quite the money spinner for phone makers.

      Materials have come on massively too recently, so no need to think a tough phone need look like a 1980s G-Shock watch. Carbon fibre, anyone?

      It is frustrating when there is only consumer crap available, and even more frustrating when seemingly smart people are fawning over the latest shiny!

  2. SixthSense by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Never mind that it isn't practical to walk around with a huge projector on your chest, it isn't fashionable. There is certainly utility to a good web-enabled phone with plenty of apps, but I think people get sold initially on the style of an iPhone specifically. If people adopt new technology and new features in their next phone, style has to help sell it.

    Otherwise, I think we're hitting a breaking point. What more functionality do we really want from our phone? How much more can you accomplish on a small screen? How much more money are you willing to pay for the device and the data plan? If anything, the pendulum might swing backwards as competitors try to ape 80% of the iPhone's functionality at half the price.

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    1. Re:SixthSense by Kratisto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, projectors are shrinking and making their way into devices like digital cameras. When someone figures out how to make green laser diodes consistently and with efficiency to match blue and red diodes, I expect projectors may replace LCD screens entirely in devices for which size is such a big factor.

      As for functionality, there's no reason why your cell phone shouldn't be able to do everything your computer can (in the future), and costs of old technology will continue to fall as new technology becomes available.

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    2. Re:SixthSense by Itninja · · Score: 2, Funny

      Never mind that it isn't practical to walk around with a huge projector on your chest, it isn't fashionable.

      Well I imagine there was a time when this argument was made about the pocket watch. I mean who wants to walk around to clock in their pocket. And what's this? You want to put in on my wrist?! That will never be fashionable!

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    3. Re:SixthSense by tomax7 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then again, due to radiation from nuclear fallout, cell phones and other electrical devices will be useless. We'll return to carrier pigeons. No wait, they would have died off too. Maybe we will have to actually see the person we're talking to then. What a concept!

    4. Re:SixthSense by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was very young at the time, but from what I recall, Walkmans (or should it be Walkmen?) were all the rage at the time. They were the stylish, popular accessory. A walkman with bright 80's colors and design probably would stick out a bit today.

      The "stereobelt" was invented seven years before the Walkman, but the well-styled Sony product vastly outsold it even coming out seven years later.

      Geeks always underestimate style in marketing and mass adoption.

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    5. Re:SixthSense by thesandtiger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What do I want from a phone from the far future?

      Well, what I really want is a "phone" that's also a computer and links seamlessly with whatever networks I want to use. So keep that in mind while I describe my perfect "phone":

      1) I don't have to think about charging it. This can mean that it is charged wirelessly/beamed power, or it can mean that it runs on something that is essentially endless/minimal maintenance.

      2) I don't want to be able to lose it or misplace it. This probably means it would need to be implanted or somehow integrated into clothing.

      3) It must give me "augmented reality" overlays - hook into my glasses or smart contact lenses (or into a chip implanted in my eyes) and give me data that way. I *really* want something that can display various information on demand (time, temp, whatever), but also that will enhance my extant senses - maybe a chemical detector built in so I can analyze the air around me, or maybe enhanced audio reception that might recognize certain sounds around me and alert me to them/give me a visual reading of where they're coming from, or maybe facial recognition software that'll tell me who I'm looking at and whatever info they share with me etc. Maps and the like would be nice, too. While we're at it, improve my vision to the infrared and ultra violet as well.

      4) Subvocalization capability. I don't want to have to speak aloud to use it - just subvocalize and it'll pick up what I'm saying. Essentially telepathy.

      5) Connectivity roughly similar to what I can get with a regular connection to the internet now - none of this edge shit. Even if it was only as good as my current wifi connection at home, that would be a LOT better than my current phone's capability.

      6) Agent software that would be capable of handling trivial incoming calls automatically and summarizing them for me via text ("Your mom called, she wants to know your flight details, so I gave her the info; she'll pick you up at the airport." "Your boss had the following notes on your project..." "A telemarketer called, so I played them the 'brown note' and had you placed on the Do Not Call list..."). It should be context aware - it should know that I'm in a movie theater (why should I have to turn it off manually? Just have the theater beam a signal letting smart phones know that they need to not make any noise at all...) and if it's an absolute emergency, I should get a flashing red light in my eye or something like that rather than a ring or vibrate. It should have different screening functions for different levels of people - if I'm working on something important and a guy I went out with once or twice but don't particularly like calls, it should say "She's working, leave a message" and *absolutely* not bother me with it until I want to deal with that. If it's an emergency, again, it should know that I'll want to take the call.

      7) It should be capable of - if I want - recording absolutely everything around me, in multiple spectra.

      Actually, I don't even want to have to think about it, really - it should just be something that's more or less omnipresent but in the background, unobtrusive unless I want to notice it. Just like my voice, I don't really think about my capability to speak unless I'm actively speaking to someone - the phone is just a way of projecting speech, right? With the augmented reality stuff, it should be entirely customizable - on, off, anything in between, set it up how I want it. With connectivity I should be able to turn it on, turn it off (even force it to stay off for awhile so I can enjoy being "natural").

      I don't think any of this is too much to ask for - certainly we'll have the capability to do all that (at least) in the next 50 years or so.

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  3. In the year 3000, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cell phones will have a subvocal mode so that people won't broadcast their moronic chatterings into others' ears like I'm broadcasting my moronic chatterings into your faces.

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  4. meh... by Em+Emalb · · Score: 2, Funny

    What I want is a phone that works telepathically. In fact, screw the phone, I'll take the telepathy. :P

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    1. Re:meh... by kramulous · · Score: 4, Funny

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    2. Re:meh... by timeOday · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Really, it is hard for me to imagine that we won't eventually have direct neural interfaces. Why limit ourselves to the sensors and actuators evolution gave us?

  5. Features, and lots of them! by noidentity · · Score: 3, Funny

    Given that the most-used features of cellphones are things other than talking on the phone (presumably included in the "Other 9%"), I predict that they will become like this Nintendo controller of the future.

    1. Re:Features, and lots of them! by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Given that the most-used features of cellphones are things other than talking on the phone (presumably included in the "Other 9%")

      Even if this were serious, it only seems odd because we use the misnomer "cellphone" instead of something more accurate like, I dunno, personal digital assistant. Imagine if people insisted on thinking of PCs as typewriters (since word processing was an early killer app) and they were still called typewriters, and people started whinging that PCs shouldn't be able to run web browsers because "that's not typing," and "when will we all return to typewriters that just type!" It's nonsense.

  6. Spectrum? Limitless, except for the State... by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the U.S., we have the slow, bureaucratic and oligarchic FCC that limits technology from acquiring near limitless spectrum/bandwidth.

    We're moving to a truly digital age, but still we have the FCC regulating that we should keep analog/digital spectrum separate for various "needs" such as TV, radio, ham, cordless phones, FRS, etc. It's ridiculous.

    We have technology TODAY that allows for frequency hopping, for signal strength negotiation, for handling multiple devices on the same frequencies/channels, etc. Private industries can blossom to utilize the right frequency, the right transceiving power, the right tower hopping mechanisms, etc. But they can't get there because the FCC overregulates and strangulates the future.

    On my 3G phone (I'm on AT&T, T-Mobile and Sprint, shared via my lovely Cradlepoint router on-the-go even), I can watch TV on-demand. I can listen to music, on-demand. I can read my websites, send my emails, talk via Google voice/Gizmo5 VoIP, send SMS via Google Voice, etc. But there's a limited run of bandwidth.

    I don't have a TV at home, so the TV spectrum is useless. I don't listen to radio in the car, so radio spectrum is useless. So much that we do today would be better suited to a HUGE amount of spectrum divvied up and utilized by every device that could hop frequencies as needed to find a clean channel, that could raise power needs when a tower is far but drop them significantly when towers are near.

    The future is nearly endless bandwidth for endless users, but we're throttled because our lovely State decides it wants only the powerful to play ball, with the weak kept out of the game.

    But what would happen if the FCC went away, and all of a sudden the power players who control TV, radio and other spectra would need to compete with the YouTube amateurs of the world? The powerful would fall. And the State can't let that happen.

  7. Speculation schmeculation by tsa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IMO speculation about the future of technology is a waste of time. It always turns out very different from what was predicted, because some technologies that seem easy turn out to be (extreme) difficult, like flat TVs and nuclear fusion, and others turn out to much easier than expected. Besides the technical issues there are often changes in society that make the predictions about the future futile. Look at all the past predictions about the future back then, and what do you see? An extrapolation of the technology and mindset that was available at the time. So, predictions are fun, but please don't put any sort of value in them.

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    1. Re:Speculation schmeculation by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 3, Interesting

      well, in the name of fun speculation, i'm going to take what you said about things that seem easy and turn out hard, flip it on its head, and predict that we're going to nail down quantum entanglement in the next 10-20 years, and the use of the radio spectrum to transmit information from point a to point b will go the way of the telegraph and horse and buggy.
      If we can pull it off, it means crystal clear voice connections, and freakishly fast network connections, anywhere, anytime.
      I'm basing all this on the theory that some things seem hard to figure out, but then turn out to not be.

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    2. Re:Speculation schmeculation by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know that the physics don't actually allow faster-than-light communication through entangled particle pairs; but I've often thought that that possibility would be a fun concept for a sci-fi setting.

      Assuming that you can't pair devices at a distance after the fact, and assuming that travel is only possible at sublight speeds, the value of an entangled communicator could be anywhere between virtually nothing(your basic cheap cellphone, paired to a nearby base station) and well more than the entire planet(a centuries old direct link to earth on the outer rim of explored space). Values could even change rapidly and unpredictably, depending on who is holding the other end of the pair.

  8. Fun, but pointless by podom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can imagine a similar discussion in 1875: "What will telegraphs look like in the future?"
     

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    1. Re:Fun, but pointless by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well sir, clearly we will communicate with little boxes that ahve miniature telegraphs inside. Why I heard of a gentleman on the East that did wireless telegraph! amazing indeed!

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    2. Re:Fun, but pointless by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      They'll be small enough for even a Lady to carry unaided and you'll be able to pay the nearest urchin 'tuppence to scramble up the telegraph pole and connect the wires for you nearly anywhere in the city!

  9. whatever fits into a "pocket" form factor by peter303 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Computing capacity is not the issue. With Moore's Law continuing you'll have a tera-op in that form factor by the 2020s. Engineering cleverness is still factor. The video screen cannot get too much larger if its built-in. People have been experimenting with projection TVs in small form factors at SIGGRAPH and the like.

    Maybe this will be the impetus to get voice recognition and generation software working well. Typing is always going to be a pain on micro-keyboard or touchscreen, compared to the alternatives.

  10. a cellphone no bigger than by FudRucker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    no bigger than the bluetooth you have stuck in your year, or the thing stuck in your ear is not a bluetooth device but a voice controlled cellphone :D

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  11. Mini-computers by Alaska+Jack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I always figured that the future was in phone/PC convergence. Which is to say, rather than syncing your smartphone with your computer, your smartphone would BE your computer.

    Coming in to your office, You'd pull your PC out of your pocket, sit it on your desk and plug in a monitor. It would connect to a wireless keyboard and mouse, and away you'd go.

    WHen you left to go home or to a meeting, you'd unplug the monitor, stick it in your pocket and off you'd go. The only other thing is you'd pay a cloud service to do incremental backups over wireless or cell service.

    Seems pretty straightforward to me.

        - AJ

    1. Re:Mini-computers by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like this, but I really don't want to have to plug it in. And I'm not sure I want to have to carry around the intelligence and the storage, it would be nice to be able to pick up (or sit down at) a random device and have it configured the way I want it, with easy access to my data (this process does not have to be mindlessly automatic, just straightforward, so let's not talk about what a security nightmare it could be).

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    2. Re:Mini-computers by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you read "The Road Ahead" from Bill Gates in 1995, that's what he thinks too - except he understated the importance of telephony, and the fact that they'd be referred to and often though of primarily as telephones. Which I guess proves that infrastructure is everything.

    3. Re:Mini-computers by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Coming in to your office, You'd pull your PC out of your pocket, sit it on your desk and plug in a monitor.

      That's a bit what I try to do with PortableApps. Too bad not all applications run well on it, as development environments wont support being run as a standalone application, but the basic usage tools (VLC, Firefox, Gimp, OpenOffice, ...) can be run.

      The scenario is about the same: I come in at a PC, plug in my micro-thumbdrive from my keychain and have my common applications in the same spot.

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  12. Re:Spectrum? Limitless, except for the State... by CannonballHead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I listen to the radio.

    Why is it that because you don't listen to the radio, it is useless?

    Radio is cool. It's completely free and I can find really good music on it. For free. No payments necessary to Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, or Sprint.

  13. Re:Just to add a bit of dystopia to the thread... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That would have been labeled as pretentious bullshit, if it didn't come from a relatively trendy British novelist. In which case it is better labeled as pretentious rubbish...

  14. Thats not the real question by parallel_prankster · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think the real question is not whether there will be spectrum enough for our bandwidth needs, but whether we will be able to afford it! Given that AT&T charges an arm and a leg for data rates/roaming, I can imagine what the charges will be in the future!

  15. Re:Spectrum? Limitless, except for the State... by arun84h · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think what he's referring to is the technology that would enable individuals to use the spectrum of frequencies in their tiny, personal area, however they want. I truly don't think he's saying that they should shut down TV and radio and blah blah blah...

  16. "elsewhere-ness" by peter303 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where you are with a small group of humans with no electronics you are talking directly to each other, looking them in the eye, or at their body language. Sometimes you touch too.

    Now when you are in a public space like a coffee-house, walking the street, sitting on the train, etc. many people are communicating with those out of sight and completely ignoring those in sight. To me it feels like a zombie movie.

    1. Re:"elsewhere-ness" by JonBuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There was an old stand up routine by Dana Gould that had a man walking down the street, talking to himself. Ten years ago this would be a crazy person. "You can't tell a Navy man when he's had enough to drink! Only a Navy man knows when he's had enough to drink!"

      Now, you have to check his other ear to see if he has a Bluetooth earset.

      I feel like we're in the "Slow Take Off" first chapter of Stross's _Accelerando._

  17. I see this: by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2, Interesting
    and in the near future:

    a device similar to the iPhone, but with 2 USB ports and a miniHDMI port. In essence: the smallest computer. keyboard/mouse go in one USB, a hard drive in the other. Hook up your monitor to it, and you will have a computer that will surf the web, do basic word processing and Office-type stuff. It will cost USD$299.

    I don't see Apple doing it as it would evacuate the need for MacBooks, but I could see Panasonic or Nokia or Palm pulling it off.

    And of course: it would run Linux...

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  18. Re:Spectrum? Limitless, except for the State... by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't have a TV at home, so the TV spectrum is useless. I don't listen to radio in the car, so radio spectrum is useless.

    Not to your neighbours, or people in cars around you. I think you'd be hard pressed to show that broadcasting isn't a reasonably efficient use of the spectra in terms of the amount of content delivered to individuals.

    But what would happen if the FCC went away, and all of a sudden the power players who control TV, radio and other spectra would need to compete with the YouTube amateurs of the world? The powerful would fall.

    That and everyday people would be left without as all existing equipment would be useless. Given the angst over the digital switch over I'd expect there'd be a lot of rather unhappy people were that to happen.

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  19. Re:Spectrum? Limitless, except for the State... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The technology for making effective use of spectrum is certainly far better now than it has been; but the notion that we've solved the finitude of spectrum seems fanciful at best(especially if some or all of the devices in question are not attempting to cooperate, either because they aren't sophisticated enough[spark gaps of various flavors] or because they are actively maximizing their throughput at the expense of yours, or just because they are hostile[jammers]).

    What I would like to see is more spectrum made freely usable. 24.GHz is pretty lousy spectrum; but free access has made it extremely useful. What would also be nice would be a compromise position: come up with an industry standard spec for a wireless transmitter and reciever(roughly wifi-like in character) with suitable support for channel hopping and negotiation and other necessities of cooperation, and licence a chunk of spectrum such that any device, made by anyone, and owned by anyone, could use that chunk of spectrum if it conformed to the open spec.

    Making things work with an arbitrary number of noncooperative devices in place seems like a pipe dream; but that needn't imply the current oligopoly based solution.

  20. Re:Spectrum? Limitless, except for the State... by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, he is an actual libertarian ideologue.

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  21. Two must-have features by darpo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd like future phones to do two things: 1) Not let people mess with their phone at a movie theater. 2) Not let people use the phone while driving.

  22. a far future - carry your presence not your phone by schwaang · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Otherwise, I think we're hitting a breaking point. What more functionality do we really want from our phone? How much more can you accomplish on a small screen?

    Breaking point is right. We need to break the concept of online mobile presence being tied only to the phone (personal device) completely. When I get into my car -- hell make that any car -- which has a nice 10" touch display backed by a computer currently used for navigation etc., why not transfer my online presence to that screen? Let me use the web, take a video call, what have you, on that device. Then, when I arrive at the airport (or spaceport if we're lucky) and take my seat on Virgin Galactic, move my session to that display.

    Yes I'll still carry a "phone" which will have the capabilities that can be packed into the small form and display, but it's main job will be to carry my mobile presence between other devices which I don't necessarily own.

    Bandwidth doesn't have to be tied to the phone either. If I sit down in an airport waiting area and use a seat display, I'm on its fiber. I might be paying to use it according to a data plan tied to my phone. The cost and bandwidth might be different when I get into a car, and it might be different (tiered, etc.) from the guy sitting next to me. But the billing is still tied to the account that my phone presents to the world.

    Wifi-enabled phones with a boingo account give some idea of this. At home/office/Starbucks, your iPhone is automatically using wifi instead of 3G. You pay (or not) based on the account in your phone. But in my future scenario the phone just authenticates the local temporary display which then has its own connection to whatever network is appropriate for that particular cafe / airplane / car.

    So the phone becomes more like a super bluetooth identity accessory to move your online presence between available displays. And when necessary, it can also be used as a self-contained telecommunications device (mobile phone).

  23. Re:Just to add a bit of dystopia to the thread... by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

    I initially read it as "Will Smith" and was expecting something like
    "Now, this is a story all about how
    My life got flipped-turned upside down
    And I liked to take a minute
    Just sit right there"

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  24. Augmented reality glasses, please by saikou · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think the best outcome would be to have just augmented reality glasses (like in DennÅ Coil (éèãããf)) that can show you content, let you make a phone call with gesture, and keeps all the data in the cloud.
    Convenient, easy to use, fun :)
    Though I have to admit, some gestures for placing calls could look somewhat dorky. But then, so can be the sight of someone pecking at the virtual keyboard to type a long message...

  25. Cellphone in headset by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the obvious extensions is a cell phone that's entirely in a headset. No display at all; everything is voice-operated. Preferably with an interface that's at least as smart as Wildfire, not the voice input crap shipping with current headsets. (Wildfire is ten year old technology. It was in use for a while, but took too much CPU power. Microsoft bought it, did little with it, and sold it off. It needs a redo with current voice recognition technology and lower cost.)

    Ideally, this should be shrunk down to earring size and not require recharging.

    It should also include audio player capabilities, again with no button-pushing, like an iPod Shuffle, only better.

  26. Re:Spectrum? Limitless, except for the State... by Grieviant · · Score: 3, Informative

    First of all, to transmit on wide ranges of frequencies at high power costs a TON of money in electricity. I've researched what a radio station (5000 watts) alone has to pay for a slim band of frequency, and it's not trivial at all.

    They transmit at such a high power so as to achieve good coverage over the entire city they're serving. If the signal only had to be heard over a radius of a few kilometres or less, such as with a cell tower, then the tramsit power could be reduced greatly. Although FM is not a particularly power-efficient or bandwidth-efficient modulation scheme (in fact, considering the large guard bands between FM radio channels, the overall bandwidth efficiency is pretty bad), but 5kW power consumption is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Heck, a typical air conditioning unit consumes about 1kW. I'm pretty sure some FM transmitters use up to 10s or 100s of kW, but that's still probably less than your average office building.

    The reality is that in the biggest chaos, it isn't the strongest that survive, it's generally the weakest groups that make it. Look at hurricanes (VERY strong, but don't last) versus slightly windy weeks. It's not the strong that maintain for long.

    The analogy flew over my head completely.

    In the airwaves industry, we have so many proofs of things going right. I know people will cry foul if I say "What about WiFi?" but with WiFi, we have a VERY slim band of frequency that is working VERY well except in the most congested areas. What, in those areas, we had tripled the amount of frequency range? What if we quadrupled it? Again, it's the State's regulations, not WiFi, that breaks that most congested area.

    Eh? The Wifi band (2.4 to ~2.5 GHz) is about 100 MHz in width. By no means is that "very slim" in any sense of the word. By comparison, the FM radio band (88 to 108 MHz) is only 20 MHz in width. Now it's kind of apples and oranges to be comparing a long-range broadcast voice service to a short-range broadband data service, but, by any objective measure, 100MHz is a big chunk of spectrum

    All those people who have TV and radio now would still have it, but they'd get it on-demand, a la carte. Broad-casting is efficient only in spectrum, it is terribly inefficient in time scheduling. It's lost completely in terms of data analysis to see who is watching/listening to what and when (Nielsen is a failure, really). Since few people can truly watch TV, listen to the radio, talk on the phone, and browse the web at the same time efficiently, most of the spectrum in their given area set for a given service is WASTED. When you are watching TV in your living room, what is happening to all the AM and FM spectrum? Wasted. Cell phone channels? Wasted. It's endless to think of the spectrum being wasted in your given area right now with useless transmissions that are actually using energy to be transmitted to you and not received.

    We won't need 50,000 watt radio stations anymore, when a 2 watt transmitter/receiver in your locale will cover so much more, so much more efficiently. And what if no one is using a given set of frequencies at a given time? We can throttle back the transmitter power -- saving energy, saving money.

    I say bring on the anarchy, it'll REDUCE the chaos. Especially in terms of the airwaves.

    You should probably confine your arguments to bandwidth efficient spectrum utilization because the "wasted power" is, again, a drop in the bucket. Not to rain on your parade of wireless utopia via shared spectrum anarchy, but it will be a huge technological challenge to equip all wireless devices with the ability to privately negotiate channel allocations with competing devices while ensuring fairness and reliability. For example, let's say demand for cellular channels ramps up around dinner time. The spectrum is already full though, so what do you do? Users of other services will have to be heavi

  27. You could look a long way ahead back then. by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative

    I can imagine a similar discussion in 1875: "What will telegraphs look like in the future?"

    Actually, the view from 1875 was surprisingly clear. Because, by 1875, telegraphy was a mature technology.

    It was generally recognized that a "printing telegraph" was desirable. But it was hard to do. The House Printing Telegraph dated from 1852. Early machines had trouble staying in sync. By 1875, though, there were reasonably good printing telegraphs and stock tickers, using a design by Phelps.

    The sending and receiving gear then stagnated for decades. Progress was made in transmission, but the end node technology was relatively static for years. It wasn't until 1921, with the first Teletype machines that worked, that a new technology replaced the old one. The reason was manufacturing technology. The Phelps machines had a relatively low parts count. Teletypes had perhaps 5x as many parts. Until manufacturing techniques improved, page printers were just too much machinery to build and deploy in quantity.

    Once Baudot-code teletypes, with associated paper tape punches and readers, were developed, the technology started to move forward again. Messages could at last be forwarded without manual retyping. Forwarding still required people tearing off sections of paper tape from punches and moving them to readers. It wasn't until 1948 that Western Union Plan 55-A produced a fully automatic message switch. (It was entirely electromechanical, with many paper tape readers and punches, and switchgear to interconnect them. Think Sendmail built from moving parts.)

    Not until 1977 did Western Union finally get rid of the last of the paper-tape switching centers. By then, telegrams were in decline anyway.

  28. Re:Spectrum? Limitless, except for the State... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the U.S., we have the slow, bureaucratic and oligarchic FCC that limits technology from acquiring near limitless spectrum/bandwidth.

    I don't listen to radio in the car, so radio spectrum is useless. So much that we do today would be better suited to a HUGE amount of spectrum divvied up and utilized by every device that could hop frequencies as needed to find a clean channel, that could raise power needs when a tower is far but drop them significantly when towers are near.

    Yes, if we had a small, agile, more commercial FCC who respected modern technology then they would be immune to the laws of physics and information theory (never mind that they might care about people other than you).

    The AM and spans from a few hundred KHz to 1.5 MHz or so. Yuo won't get much bandwdth out of that one. I assume you know why bandwidth is called bandwidth and how it related to frequency bands. Plus have you ever disassembled a radio? The aerials in AM radious are HUGE. If you want to carry one of those around in your cell phone, be my guest...

    Sure, you could make better use of the limited spectrum by using long wave digital channels. But frankly, why bother?

    The same goes (but a little less so) for FM. It's still low fewquency. By the time you get up to 5GHz, the entire analog radio spectrum fits comfortably within one or two small bands.

    There's just not enough space taken by radio to care about.

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  29. Re:Spectrum? Limitless, except for the State... by fmaresca · · Score: 2, Funny

    >>I don't have a TV at home, so the TV spectrum is useless. I don't listen to radio in the car, >>so radio spectrum is useless. So much that we do today would be better suited to a HUGE amount >>of spectrum divvied up and utilized by every device that could hop frequencies as needed to >>find a clean channel, that could raise power needs when a tower is far but drop them >>significantly when towers are near.

    WTF?? So you think that if you turn of the radio on the car or the TV set in your house the EM spectrum utilized by broadcasters is free until you turn the radio or TV on? Oh boy.

  30. "Ghost in the Shell" Offers Interesting Concepts by CodeBuster · · Score: 3, Informative

    IMHO, among the best post-cyberpunk style science fiction series to explore this, among other concepts, in recent years has been the Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex series. The "cyber brain" conversations combined with "external memory" (think of it like an off site storage, backup and messaging server for your mind) really takes man machine integration to its final logical conclusion: making or receiving voice and video communications remotely is as easy as initiating thoughts to do so. Although, I do think that the series is a bit too optimistic on how soon all of this will actually come about (i.e. by 2030).