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How an Online-Only TV Series Stays Successful

ChronoDragon writes "The Wall Street Journal points out that it is possible to make a successful web series without the backing of a studio. With the release of a music video, Do you Wanna Date My Avatar, and the start of Season of 3, the web series The Guild is ready for even more success. The Guild, created by Felicia Day (Doctor Horrible), is a low-budget comedy series about a group of MMORPG gamers and their interactions both online and off. While there are a lot of references that will be instantly recognized by gamers, the show is still very accessible to non-gamers."

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  1. You mean... by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You mean that its easy to stay successful when you make your media convenient to your users? Perhaps the RIAA/MPAA can learn something from this....

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    1. Re:You mean... by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 4, Funny

      NO! These users seeing this show for free are STEALING!!! It's all STOLEN! They didn't pay for it, SO IT'S ALL STOLEN!!

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    2. Re:You mean... by Kamokazi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's free, not convenient, it's not like the users are paying for it.

      Amazon.com Sales Rank: #8 in MP3 Songs (See Bestsellers in MP3 Songs)
      Popular in these categories: (What's this?)
      #1 in MP3 Songs > Dance & DJ
      #5 in MP3 Songs > Pop

      Oh shi-

      http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002JEEJ2A?tag=you09f-20

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  2. Eek. by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Funny

    World of Warcraft: Destroying relationships with girls since... well, the day it came out.

    -- No. I mean this. I've got about six female friends that either bought it as a anniversary or birthday present, or their boyfriend bought it... and the relationship has always ended within eight months after that fateful purchase. My last friend got so fed up that she took the laptop (with the CD still in it) and smashed it in the driveway, drove over it a few times, then hit it with a hammer. Then she called all her friends and went to have ice cream. That game is pure evil -- it makes boys think dating a high level elf huntress is better than having a real girlfriend.

    Legions of geeks coming to the defense of the game in 5...4...

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    1. Re:Eek. by bwindle2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My wife and I have both played since before the first expansion pack came out, and we're still happily married (and have two kids). All things in moderation (we limit ourselves to 4 WoW nights a week)

    2. Re:Eek. by brainboyz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dating a high level elven huntress is fine, as long as she belongs to your RL girlfriend. WoW is also great as long as you can limit your usage so your RL girlfriend and job get more usage than WoW.

    3. Re:Eek. by SupremoMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hardly accurate for all relationships. I played with my girlfriend for quite a while, and I must say nothing made her more attractive to me than her dancing as her troll priest avatar.

      Here is an idea for your friends, why don't they try to take interest in what their guys enjoy? Then instead of bitching and moaning that their boyfriends don't spend enough time with them, they will want to find ways not to spend so much time together.

    4. Re:Eek. by epiphani · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is the exact reason I avoid MMO's like the plague. I know what would happen to me, because it's happened before with IRC. At least then I was 17 and had nothing to lose.

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    5. Re:Eek. by Kokuyo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Undeniably a very daunting limit. How do you even survive?

    6. Re:Eek. by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All things in moderation (we limit ourselves to 4 WoW nights a week)

      FWIW... I'm not sure that fits the definition of in moderation.

      I mean, sure, some people watch TV seven nights a week, and compared to that, 4 nights only is limited... but for me, as a married guy with a kid, a hobby done in moderation means once a week, tops.

      YMMV, of course -- I have no idea what your life is like, etc. But for me, just the thought of spending more than one night a week playing games makes my skin crawl with the thought of all the chores that wouldn't be getting done.

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    7. Re:Eek. by ajs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      World of Warcraft: Destroying relationships with girls since... well, the day it came out.

      -- No. I mean this. I've got about six female friends that either bought it as a anniversary or birthday present, or their boyfriend bought it... and the relationship has always ended within eight months after that fateful purchase.

      I'd be sold, except for the fact that your math doesn't work. I have six female friends that either bought [insert product here] as an anniversary or birthday present and they all broke up with their boy/girl friends within 8 months! That's almost certainly true for anyone who has at least 8 female friends.

      WoW is a time sink, as are all MMOs. If you introduce a time sink into a relationship without an understanding around what you both want out of it, there's going to be trouble. The same is true for any hobby that requires a great deal of time. I've seen hunting and model rocketry have similar influences.

      My last friend got so fed up that she took the laptop (with the CD still in it) and smashed it in the driveway, drove over it a few times, then hit it with a hammer.

      Your friend is unstable. She needs help. Really.

      Then she called all her friends and went to have ice cream. That game is pure evil -- it makes boys think dating a high level elf huntress is better than having a real girlfriend.

      Jerks. Level isn't everything, you know!

      Legions of geeks coming to the defense of the game in 5...4...

      3/10 for the troll. 1/10 for the logic.

    8. Re:Eek. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      nothing made her more attractive to me than her dancing as her troll priest avatar.

      ... and this is why geeks have the female stigma that we do. You're saying that *nothing* makes your girlfriend more attractive than when she logs in to a video game and presses a key. I mean, you've seen the girl naked before, right? But you would prefer watching a character dance onscreen than actually interacting with your girlfriend's physical body?

      To each his own I guess..

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    9. Re:Eek. by brucifer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm just curious about what people are supposed to be doing at night after the kids are all in bed. Well, activities that don't involve making more kids aside.

      Why is there this sense that we have to be busy doing things all the time? My parents used to watch TV at night, I prefer to play video games to unwind. I think it provides more mental stimulation than popping open a beer and sitting on the couch.

    10. Re:Eek. by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 4, Funny

      My real life girlfriend is a high level elf huntress you insensitive clod!

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    11. Re:Eek. by myawn · · Score: 4, Funny

      All things in moderation

      Especially moderation.

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    12. Re:Eek. by sexconker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So she's got you by the virtual balls as well?

    13. Re:Eek. by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      10 - watching her install Ubuntu... naked!

      (Peels lacquer layer off disk.) Okay, Ubuntu's naked, where do I get the girl?

    14. Re:Eek. by Night+Goat · · Score: 4, Funny

      But you would prefer watching a character dance onscreen than actually interacting with your girlfriend's physical body?

      You haven't seen his girlfriend.

    15. Re:Eek. by startled · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why is there this sense that we have to be busy doing things all the time?

      Please remain in your location. A squad will be sent over shortly, and you will be "optimized".

  3. Simple answer by Anonymous+Cowar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They weren't terribly profitable until they shacked up with microsoft and got distributed via the live. They sold some t-shirts and the like, but didn't really hit it big until they stopped 'self publishing' (i.e. uploading to youtube) and got a distributor (microsoft live).

    Oh, and wall street journal articles and front-page slashdots don't hurt either.

    1. Re:Simple answer by Kamokazi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah I got a kick out of how Tink's iMac turned into a plain old LCD with a Vista sticker slapped on it in Season 2...it made me chuckle.

      And seriously MS, those LCDs are dull....why not get a nice shiny Samsung or something if you're trying to flash that Vista orb?

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  4. Felicia Day in Blizzcon feed by SydShamino · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you have access to the Blizzcon feed via DirectTV or the internet, there is an extensive interview with Felicia Day and accompanying video regarding the background, making, and future of the Guild.

    It's around 5:45 PM in the Saturday feed. It's in a filler time that many people who bought the package might not have watched.

    Alas for the majority of us, she talks about how so much of the needed resources are loaned to her from friends and other kind people who want her to succeed. While that's all well and good, that can't be counted on as a viable business model. (Almost any business can be profitable if it can acquire most or all of its resources for free and convert them into a product to sell.)

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    1. Re:Felicia Day in Blizzcon feed by Iwanowitch · · Score: 5, Funny

      And let us not forget this lovely bit from the interview.

      Cue "this is why we don't have women around" debate in 3.. 2.. 1...

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    2. Re:Felicia Day in Blizzcon feed by Maria+D · · Score: 2, Funny

      How can people call something that works "not viable"? What is wrong with getting support from people who like you and your work, directly? As you said in your last sentence, it would work for almost ANY endeavor.

  5. Tiny budgets help a lot by JSBiff · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't get me wrong, I enjoy The Guild, and am quite impressed how good the show is with what they have to work with, but if all TV had to be made with the tiny budgets they work with (each episode is like 10 minutes long, very limited sets, etc), you wouldn't get shows like Star Trek, Babylon 5, Firefly, or Battlestar Galactica, to name but a few.

    I for one, am happy that at least *some* bigger budget shows are made (yes, yes, not all big-budget shows are any good - some are just big money holes), but I'd like to see a successful larger-budget online show, to pave the way for a gradual move to more television being online.

    1. Re:Tiny budgets help a lot by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but I'd like to see a successful larger-budget online show, to pave the way for a gradual move to more television being online.

      The main problem is control. With a small-budget show, you have a group of friends who generally agree on most things. With a larger budget you have more roles, more people, with more people becomes more disagreement. With TV you have the network more or less as a moderator, approve the content and distribute it. But with online its different, -anyone- can host it and its usually distributed over many channels, so do you put the content up for free on YouTube? Do you have ads on it? Do you have another site with it on there? Do you sell it? Do you sell it over a channel with DRM? What about iTunes, what if you want different pricing? Etc. This can lead to disagreements and eventually fragmentation.

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    2. Re:Tiny budgets help a lot by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      ", you wouldn't get shows like Star Trek, "
      haha. star trek had almost no budget. In fact one episode had a props budget of less then a dollar.

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    3. Re:Tiny budgets help a lot by bertoelcon · · Score: 4, Informative

      As am american I think Dr. Who props were inventive as hell and the show is awesome, and I thought it had like 0 funding too.

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    4. Re:Tiny budgets help a lot by PylonHead · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to this site:

      http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/TOS_Season_1

      Production for the initial season of Star Trek cost almost US$200,000 per episode.

      That would be the equivalent of $1,322,201 per episode in today's dollars.

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    5. Re:Tiny budgets help a lot by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      That's called "the exception that proves the rule".

    6. Re:Tiny budgets help a lot by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

      haha. star trek had almost no budget. In fact one episode had a props budget of less then a dollar.

      [citation needed]. "My big brother told me" is not a credible source.

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  6. Who is Pure Evil?!? by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My last friend got so fed up that she took the laptop (with the CD still in it) and smashed it in the driveway, drove over it a few times, then hit it with a hammer. Then she called all her friends and went to have ice cream. That game is pure evil...
    The game itself is neutral. Playing the game isn't evil, just a waste of time. However, willful and wanton destruction of other people's properly certainly could be considered pure evil! (Wouldn't just hiding the CD be sufficient?) Elf Huntresses don't get pregnant, don't sleep with your best friend, don't throw out your porn or videogame collections, don't embarrass you in public, don't run up you credit cards, and don't smash up your car... how is that not better than a real girlfriend? (Sure, the Elfess doesn't put out, but then my wife, having just had an operation, isn't putting out right now either!)(Actually, my real life girl friends have never slept with my best friend. They have, however, gotten pissed off, run off and married strangers they had only known a few weeks. All the other complaints are real and have actually happened to me.)

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  7. "successful" is a relative term by dancemonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As another comment noted, they were not really that successful until actually receiving distribution. As a cast member in a web series (Break A Leg) we have been struggling not to gain an audience, respect, or critical acclaim since we have all of that. We just need money. Even the brushes we've had with sponsorship and major network distribution tend to fall apart through no fault of our own. It's just the way the business works.

    We poke fun at The Guild from time to time, but it's a great show. I don't think though that's it's really a model of how to "stay successful" as an online-only series. You can't replicate what they did or follow their path like a recipe.

    It just doesn't seem possible to actually BE successful as a web-only series, if success is defined at all in terms of money, without real money backing you. We even had a marketing firm whoring us around for awhile, and while it led to a few sponsorship deals here and there it never really led to independence for anybody from their day-to-day careers. There's just no real monetizing of the online-only series going on unless you have a patron or distributor who's willing to take a loss on you in order to get some other intangibles out of it.

    That said, Break A Leg has a major distribution deal in the works, but it only proves the point. We're never going to be "successful" sticking to the web. The internet was just a way to get our show out there, and the show initially was just a way to showcase our talents (as writers, actors, editors, sound designers, directors, cinematographers). We need someone to get us OUT of the internet in some form in order to really get us see and heard of on a scale massive enough for everyone to quit their jobs.

    Oh well, that's just me ranting. I love internet episodics, I hope they never go away. I just also hope some way materializes for people to earn real money doing them without needing a Microsoft distro deal or a major network buy-out.

  8. Huge built in audience by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

    Part of The Guilds success is no doubt due to their vast built in audience... A show for players of Puzzle Pirates or City of Heroes/Villains has much less of a potential audience. It also no doubt helps that those audiences are used to fan made material and have very low expectations as to writing, acting, and production values.
     
    (As a side note: Has everyone forgotten RvB already?)
     
    I don't however agree with summaries conclusion that the video's are 'accessible to non gamers'. I'm a gamer (though mostly out on the fringe, UO, CoX, YPP!), and I found them somewhat hard to understand because the terminology used was so WoW centric.