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James Murdoch Criticizes BBC For Providing "Free News"

Hugh Pickens writes "News Corporation's James Murdoch says that a 'dominant' BBC threatens independent journalism in the UK and that free news on the web provided by the BBC made it 'incredibly difficult' for private news organizations to ask people to pay for their news. 'It is essential for the future of independent digital journalism that a fair price can be charged for news to people who value it,' says Murdoch. 'The expansion of state-sponsored journalism is a threat to the plurality and independence of news provision.' In common with the public broadcasting organizations of many other European countries, the BBC is funded by a television license fee charged to all households owning a television capable of receiving broadcasts. Murdoch's News Corporation, one of the world's largest media conglomerates, owns the Times, the Sunday Times and Sun newspapers and pay TV provider BSkyB in the UK and the New York Post, Wall Street Journal, and Fox News TV in the US." Note that James Murdoch is the son of Rupert Murdoch.

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  1. Threatening plurality? by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Murdoch's News Corporation, one of the world's largest media conglomerates, owns the Times, the Sunday Times and Sun newspapers and pay TV provider BSkyB in the UK and the New York Post, Wall Street Journal, and Fox News TV in the US.

    That is what is threatening the plurality and independence of news. Sounds to me like the guy doesn't want plurality, he just doesn't want competition.

    The fact is that the BBC is known for its objectivity. I know a lot of American who only get their news from there because they regard the American press as either too liberal or too conservative. (Or more often than not, too sensationalistic or too "fluffy.")

    1. Re:Threatening plurality? by owlnation · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fact is that the BBC is known for its objectivity.

      No, not in the UK it isn't. That's absolutely nothing like a "fact". The BBC's long been criticized for having a a pro-Labour party bias, as well as a few other biases. It does have also a virtual monopoly on UK broadcasting, with very little to challenge its practices.

      Murdoch is correct in some ways. He's obviously saying it for his own nefarious ends. And the large percentage of the UK media his company owns is also a very big part of the problem too. Reverting to charging for online news isn't a good idea -- for anyone. But more competition is a VERY good idea.

      However, there are many, many issues with the way the BBC behaves, it does need to be examined more closely. It's news reports are not as trustworthy as you seem to think.

    2. Re:Threatening plurality? by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh please. The BBC is hardly impartial. It's been accused (with evidence) of being pro-Palestinian and well as anti-Israel. It's not neutral. Is the BBC as a concept wonderful? Yeah. Is it objective? No.

      Yeah, well plenty of other people have accused it of being pro-Israeli, so go figure.

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    3. Re:Threatening plurality? by FourthAge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This.

      Don't trust the BBC to be impartial, fair or balanced, because it is none of these things. Everything it broadcasts reflects the viewpoint of the British Establishment. I trust it to provide me with weather reports, and that's about it. I resent having to pay for it.

      Biased BBC has the definitive guide.

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    4. Re:Threatening plurality? by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think anyone's arguing that News Corp. was wrong as a matter of law--- it may indeed have been legal for them to fire an employee for refusing to including knowingly false information in a news broadcast. But it does mean that, as a matter of credibility, News Corp. is now on the record standing up for this right to knowingly provide false information in its news broadcasts. Do you really want to get your news from a news company that is willing to go to court to defend its right to lie?

    5. Re:Threatening plurality? by damburger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Being British, I didn't know about this. Did they try and lock down taxpayer funded weather data so they could sell it to the people who had already paid for it?

      Each day I find it harder to see the line between 'business' and 'racketeering'

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    6. Re:Threatening plurality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I get really tired of people claiming that Not Spouting Right-Wing Garbage = Left-Wing Propaganda.

      More politely: Lack of a bias in favour of X does not necessarily equate a bias in favour of some (real or imagined) opposite of X.

      In nearly every country I've been in (excepting the US), the Beeb has a much better reputation for objectivity and believability than any US network, including CNN. The reason? It's not beholden to corporate interests or the political biases of an owner.

      Warning: "To push politically-correct left-wing viewpoints" is code for "refusing to endorse right-wing/corporatist viewpoints".

    7. Re:Threatening plurality? by damburger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bigger government programs? Like the Iraq war? When they reported about how the government was cooking up the evidence for Saddam's WMDs?

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    8. Re:Threatening plurality? by toriver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Paranoid much? "Left" seems to be a swear word among people who want to replace Western civilized liberalism with some feudal conservative hatemongering more prevalent in the Mid-eastern countries the same hatemongerers pretend to attack. When in reality right-wingers just don't want a mirror...

    9. Re:Threatening plurality? by Homburg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That blog is definitive, in a sense. In that it accurately represents the fact that those who believe the BBC is systematically biased are right-wing nutjobs

    10. Re:Threatening plurality? by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And yet they still try to tell me it wasn't supposed to rain last night...

      Seriously, the vast majority of the time the convienence of not going to some crappy site and being bogged down by a corporate nightmare of a website, or having to wait for the weather on the TV, greatly makes up for whatever limited insight meteorologists can possibly add.

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    11. Re:Threatening plurality? by apoc.famine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In addition, it's ad-free. NOAA and the NWS are some of the unsung heroes of government organizations. There, you can actually see your tax dollars at work. If you're giving Accuweather or Weather.com your clicks, you're giving them free money for not doing much of anything.

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    12. Re:Threatening plurality? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know a lot of American who only get their news from there because they regard the American press as either too liberal or too conservative. (Or more often than not, too sensationalistic or too "fluffy.")

      As an American myself, I'd say that much of our news is all of the above, but I could accept that. The problem is, it's more often inaccurate, misleading or simply outright fabrication. Note that the press in this country was given special consideration under our Constitution, the supreme law of our land, so that we could make informed choices about who we select as our leaders. Unfortunately for us, the press has largely abrogated that responsibility in favor of crass money-grubbing and political pandering. And that has gone hand-in-hand with the rapid expansion of our various governmental bodies and ongoing loss of civil liberties.

      Had the free press done its job as the Founders intended it to do, we wouldn't be having this discussion. At least we still can (have discussions like this, I mean) but it's by no means guaranteed that that will always be so. In any event, I do hit the BBC for a lot of information ... mostly for impartial reporting on the political affairs of my own country. That pisses me off as well. Oh, not at the BBC, but at the news organizations in the U.S. who seem to believe that it is now their job to provide PR for the big boys, and in the process mold public opinion. I do not want my opinion molded, and I think that any reporter who fraudulently expresses his personal opinions and biases as fact without disclaimer should be given free room and board by the State for a while.

      At this point, I'm inclined to think that if the press isn't going to do their jobs right, they shouldn't be given any special privileges. They're no longer informing us ... they're disinforming us and yes, Mr. Murdoch, you're at the forefront of that particular movement. Furthermore, any claims you have about the quality and impartiality of BBC reporting sound like they are: more lies. The BBC does a fine job and most of its counterparts in your organization could learn a few things from them. The Brits already pay for the privilege of having the BBC so it's hardly free, and in any event, they're better off without having you anywhere in the picture.

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    13. Re:Threatening plurality? by realnrh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, clearly PBS has destroyed the free market for television in the US. Woe is us.

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    14. Re:Threatening plurality? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      NOAA forecasts are not available to non-U.S. citizens (or if they are available, have no value way over in Europe).

      A. That's just not true, and B. do you have any idea how much information on, well, pretty much everything the U.S. government gives away for free, whether you live here or not? Bash America if you like, but get your goddamn facts straight. Oh, and while you're at it turn off your GPS receiver: that system was paid for by U.S. taxpayers and you really shouldn't be using it, you know. Wouldn't be right and all, since you didn't pay a single Euro for it.

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    15. Re: Threatening plurality? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Would that be fair?

      Depends on whether you subscribe to the Reaganite doctrine that a government should not be allowed to do anything that a capitalist middle-man could make a profit on.

      Beyond that, I'm having a bit of trouble working up any sympathy for a guy who's complaining that a public service is making it hard for him to charge people for the lies he tells them.

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    16. Re:Threatening plurality? by Dreadneck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Each day I find it harder to see the line between 'business' and 'racketeering'

      It's easy to remember - 'business' is government approved.

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    17. Re:Threatening plurality? by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course, on the Palestinean/Israeli issue, if you are truly neutral then both sides will call you biased. This applies to any divisive issue.

    18. Re:Threatening plurality? by Compholio · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The employer told the employee to do something completely legal. The employee refused. The employer fired the employee. Whistleblower protections do not apply - there was no whistle to be blown.

      1) In our country a judge is not required to make a ruling solely based upon laws that are on the books.
      2) Whistleblower protections also include "threats to the public interest" - which is certainly true in this case.

      You, and obviously many judges, forget the purpose of a justice system. The purpose is to meter out justice, not blindly follow a fucking rulebook.

    19. Re:Threatening plurality? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To the right-wing mind, helping people is intrusive "big government," but killing people is fine and dandy.

      Hope that clears things up.

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    20. Re:Threatening plurality? by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>>I'd trust the BBC any day of the week over "news" reported by a Murdoch mouthpiece.

      I disagree. Not that I have any great love fox Murdoch, but I don't trust the BBC. They are as slanted as PBS, constantly trying to explain why we need more and bigger government programs. I don't need to hear that bias. Just once I'd like to hear either the BBC or PBS present a story about why government needs to be smaller, but of course that will never happen.

      You can say what you want about the BBC but they employ people like Jeremy Paxman AKA the last news man with balls. If he lived in the states he'd probably be relegated to some topical comedy show.

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    21. Re:Threatening plurality? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If most Brits didn't like the license fee, it would be a major issue. The Telegraph has spent the last thirty years trying to push for the BBC to be privatized, and it's never had any traction, not even during the height of Thatcher's power. If Thatcher wouldn't kill the BBC, then it's pretty damn clear there's no public will, just evil lying bastards like Murdoch who doesn't want any outside agency showing just how immoral and unethical his news is.

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    22. Re:Threatening plurality? by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The BBC is amongst the most reliable news organizations in the world. News Corp however is owned by people that bribe politicians, lie about ownership and go about lowering the quality of news as far as they can. Rupert Murdoch is quite possibly the worst thing to happen to news ever. His son is apparently the same sort of trash that he is.

      Seeing as I live a third of a world away from the UK, I wouldn't be listening to and reading BBC coverage if it wasn't good. Admittedly it covers very little of the local issues, but I don't expect them to do so.

  2. Symmetry by mbone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's OK, I criticize James Murdoch's News Corporation for providing false news.

    I know which I would rather not be accused of.

  3. As a company by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a company that has done a lot to destroy fair and good reporting everywhere it goes, News Corp should NOT be listened to as an expert on what will produce 'Fair and Balanced' news. It certainly takes more than calling it 'Fair and Balanced', as their TV station Fox News is ample proof of. Sure, the BBC may have some problems, and may sometimes have some bias, but it still remains by far one of the best and most carefully researched news agencies on the planet. If News Corp had ever shown itself capable of ever producing a decent news organization, they might be worth listening to.

    As it is, I think the Murdochs are just upset that a REAL news group keeps them from controlling the news. They want power. If there were anything else I could say to make this a stronger condemnation of News Corp, I would. They are really that bad. They are the evilness that Microsoft only aspires to.

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  4. Ultimate irony by Joe+Jay+Bee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The BBC reporting on someone saying the BBC is shit.

    That sort of objectivity is why they need to survive just as they are.

  5. Pot and kettle by pfafrich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a bit rich coming from a Murdoch, a family have the greatest impact on British public life. Many votes are swayed according to what the sun says. And whats more the family managed to reduce "The Times" from a great pillar of the establishment to the least respected broadsheet.

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  6. It isn't free by meerling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'The people' have already paid for the BBC via their TV license fees, it is in no way 'free'.
    Why should they pay again just because Murdoch doesn't like the competition?

  7. QOTD by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'It is essential for the future of independent digital journalism that a fair price can be charged for news to people who value it,' says Murdoch.

    Murdoch isn't selling anything I want to pay for. Now, if the BBC charges for its content, I would give serious consideration to doing so. There -- free market in action!

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  8. Ahh Yes the Free Market by coaxial · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What many people don't understand is that companies don't want to compete. Ideally, they want to form a monopoly and then stop innovating (because that's a cost) and raise prices (because that's profit). If they can't form a monopoly, they want to form a cartel with their main rivals. Murdoch and Son realize they can't buy the BBC, so they're taking the cartel approach whining about how they "can't compete". Actually what they're saying is, "Our plan to raise prices won't work, as long as someone doesn't. Join the news cartel, and we'll all profit."

  9. News and Information is meant to be free by Cable · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Internet is all about free access to information and news. The BBC, PBS, NPR, etc are all public organizations that give out free information anyway and usually funded by the government and donations.

    News Media Corp is a private corporation and doesn't seem to get the free news and free information philosophy of the Internet. If they charge for access to news and information they will suffer for it. Then only the wealthy will be able to access it, and some of the wealthy will refuse to pay and go to free sources instead.

    Also when a news or information source is pay only and private, it cannot be used for citations anymore as a professor cannot log on to verify the source because they cannot afford the fees to every pay source of news and information and usually require the student to use the sources that the college provides for peer reviewed news articles and papers.

    Murdoch is shooting himself in the foot with such a move.

    1. Re:News and Information is meant to be free by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He's not shooting himself in the foot, he's acting in his own self interest. Yes, it may be kind of short-term thinking, but it would be profitable if he could do what he is trying to do.

      I don't know if all info is meant to be free. The Wall Street Journal charges and makes money. They are providing a specific sector with timely and well researched information. There is value in that.

      But what he is missing is the fact that for most topics a newspaper, newscast, or news channel is no longer the commodity. The STORY is the commodity.

  10. Re:it's not free by Bralkein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well you don't need to pay the license fee to listen to BBC radio broadcasts, or to read news on the BBC website. And that's the way it should be. Some things should just be free for everybody, like education, libraries and access to the basic information about what's going on in the world around you (ie. news).

  11. Up the BBC by lttlordfault · · Score: 5, Insightful
    As a UK TV license payer I have no problem whatsoever with how the BBC spends my money. A media network charged with producing quality independent broadcasting is fine in my book.

    I find their news to be far more balanced and fair than any commercial operator I've encountered, as they're not beholden to their advertisers and contributers and rather to their audience. A perfect example being the current debate in America about socialized healthcare.

    First we had reports about how the NHS was being used as an example of how socialized healthcare doesn't work, then reports on the anger this caused in the British populace (my God I was angry), then reports on the isolated incidents where the NHS has failed people.

    Nowhere else have I found a more balanced and fair news outlet and I'm eternally grateful that we have our wonderful British Broadcasting Corporation.

    It says a lot that James Murdoch has felt he had to attack the BBC to protect his business interests.

  12. Backhanded compliment by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If a member of the Murdoch family is criticizing you, you're probably doing something right.

    Just for the record, I love the BBC and I love the NHS; nuts to anyone who thinks they're somehow evil.

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  13. He's sorta right by davmoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good news coverage is worth paying for. Unfortunately for Murdoch, with the sole exception of the Wall Street Journal, none of his holdings produce good journalism. Because with the exception of the Journal, everything covered in his TV stations or newspapers I can find in three hundred other locations on the web, in other newspapers, or on other TV stations. Because its all reworked AP stories. Good in-depth journalism died years ago, and now all we get from 99.9999999 percent of US media sources, including Murdoch's, is cookie-cutter stories.

    If Murdoch really expects me to pay, then he's going to have to improve journalism at his own holdings and give me original information I can't find anywhere else. When he can do that, I'll pay (as I do for the WSJ now). Until then, not a chance in hell.

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  14. You can't compete with free? by oneandoneis2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh-oh. Somebody better tell Perrier, Evian, Pellegrino et al that it's impossible for them to make money by selling water!

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  15. Murdoch concerned with news independence? LOL by Concern · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So the scion of the world's most notorious propagandist has the audacity to speak publicly about media policy.

    If voters wish their government to do something for them, they vote for politicians that promise it, and it gets done. Those in England have voted to have a "public option" for news. Some will say that because it's "government owned" its objectivity cannot be trusted, and this is indeed a danger, just as it is a danger that privately owned media cannot be trusted, let alone under the laissez faire regulation regime that Murdoch Sr. and Jr. lobby for. Power is power, and it is not a foregone conclusion that power controlled by elected representatives is more dangerous than power controlled by corporate sponsors or the whims of billionaires.

    It's reasonable that a government-run news organization could do a better job than a privately run organization. Similarly for electric power, firefighting services, courts, schools, etc. It's not guaranteed to succeed, but there is no fundamental problem with it in principle, as long as a nation has a free press (the government can say what they like, but so can everyone else).

    The Murdoch's underscore the point by running some of the most servile and ludicrous propaganda instruments in mass media today. For those concerned about the difficulty of competing with the government to make news, one must simply examine reality to see how it is done. Amusingly, Murdoch himself is not always concerned with profit - he runs propaganda instruments such as the New York Post in the red simply to gain influence and push competitors out of business.

    While some could make this story into a discussion about the principles of government, media and democracy, that would be elevating Murdoch's ploy far above what it is: a transparent attempt to destroy another competitor and gain even more unified control over the world's mass media. It is breathtakingly hypocritical on his part to cloak it in the rhetoric he does.

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  16. Re:How special do you think you are? by dkf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where is my opt-out?

    You don't need to own a TV. Or live in the UK. Either will work just fine for getting you out of paying the license fee.

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  17. In related news... by Nekomusume · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Prostitutes are demanding that everybody else stop providing sex for free, as it reduces the demand for their paid services.

  18. Sigh by xA40D · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Murdoch Senior had a nasty habit at kicking the BBC in a similar manner. Nice to see Junior hasn't bothered to develop his own consciousness and has merely cloned his dad's. Seriously these rants translate as little more than a vain attempt to undermine the competition with cheap rhetoric designed to increase profit and feed ignorance. I mean when Dad's worth an estimated $4 billion world domination is about the only thing left to try, and the BBC as an a mostly impartial and independent media service is obviously standing in the way.

    Anyone who is in any way swayed by Murdoch Junior's argument needs to read Noam Chomsky's book Manufacturing Consent and then needs to wake up to the fact that the BBC is perhaps the one media outlet that stands in the way of the frightening picture this book paints. After all the BBC is in a different industry in that they're about providing media to their audiences and news to the public, not audiences to their advertisers and propaganda to their punters.

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