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Texting Toddlers, How Young is Too Young?

theodp writes "Toddlers don't need to be texting, concedes the NYT's Lisa Belkin, but since they have always had toy typewriters and toy telephones, why not toy Blackberrys? If your little tyke is itching to text, the NYT has a round-up of texting devices aimed at children as young as three who want to talk with their thumbs. The question of, 'when is a child is old enough for their own cell phone' has been replaced with the question of, 'what type of texting gadget is appropriate for which age group.' But don't forget to lay down the law: 'Our 13-year-old got a phone with an unlimited plan as a reward for good grades,' says HiTechMommy.com blogger Cat Schwartz. 'Each night he is required to turn the phone in at 10 p.m. and then gets it back first thing in the morning.'"

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  1. Something is wrong with this. by Locdonan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Turning it in and then getting it back the next day? Responsible Parenting? Lies! With no kids myself, I can only offer tech to my 3 nieces as their parents see fit. I think teens is a good age, but as always, it depends on when the child can show responsible behavior. Many College students in my town are not responsible enough to own phones.

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    1. Re:Something is wrong with this. by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In most cases kids quickly lose interest. "I want I want I want" quickly becomes "I'm bored" as the novelty wears off and the phone disappears into a drawer.

      I was discussing this with my boss a little while ago, and he said his kids destroy half the stuff he buys for them, and that when we were growing-up we appreciated things more. And I replied, "That's because we didn't have anything. I had one record player and I treasured it like it was gold." He laughed and conceded the same was true for him.

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    2. Re:Something is wrong with this. by noundi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These things are always ridiculous. Kids, just as adults, aren't all equally responsible. If you teach your kid how responsibility rewards itself with extended freedom there's no need to yank the phone after dark. If you want to check to make sure your child isn't abusing his freedom you can ask for a detailed bill and check the hours, and if he has been abusing his freedom you can then yank the phone until he has proven to be responsible enough, given that you have enough patience. If you don't then probably you shouldn't be a parent in the first place.

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    3. Re:Something is wrong with this. by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You hit the nail on the head.

      It's not enough to just set arbitrary rules and tell the kid, "You're punished." You also have to teach WHY they are being punished. When my niece carelessly knocked-over my Gamecube I asked her point-blank, "Did you do that?" "Yes." "Ya know if you break somebody else's property, you have to buy them a new one." "Oh. I'm sorry." So far the thing still works but if it ceases to work, yes I'm going to subtract $25 from her piggyback so I can get a replacement. Just like I had to spend $1500 to fix some guy's car when I rear-ended it in 2001. That's how life works.

      Same with cellphones. The kid gets... say $10 each month. If she uses it all up, then it's HER responsibility to buy more time. Not mine. -or- She could learn to budget her dollars better so she doesn't run out.

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    4. Re:Something is wrong with this. by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Looking at how my daughter handles things vs. how my youngest brother-in-law (a teenager) handles things, or even how I believe I handled things as a kid, I think most of it comes down to teaching a kid to treasure the things they have. My brother-in-law breaks or loses something, and he ends up with a new one that's better than what he had before. He's almost better off breaking stuff than taking care of it. My daughter asks for something, if it's of any significant cost and/or value, it could be a while before she gets it, and she may have to give something up for it. If she breaks it, it could be a long while before she sees a replacement. She seems to value things much better than her uncle, and she's 12 years younger than he is.

      On the other hand, there are some people, like my wife, that simply don't value physical things. In a lot of ways, it's a gift, because she doesn't miss it when it's gone, and she doesn't really want much. In other ways, though, not valuing something means not caring enough to think about the way things should be treated, and generally putting more value in what she can get for something than in what she paid for it, or would have to pay to replace it.

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    5. Re:Something is wrong with this. by citylivin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "... given that you have enough patience. If you don't then probably you shouldn't be a parent in the first place."

      Luckily, no one gets to "choose" who becomes a parent "in the first place". Everyone's different, and I happen to have very low patience for irresponsibility. I would NEVER buy my kid a cel phone. I would question whether or not you even have kids if you think that a cel phone in the hands of a 3-16 year old would not be abused.

      Kids dont need cel phones. The only people who think they do are overprotective parents.

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    6. Re:Something is wrong with this. by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Kids don't need cell phones? They don't "need" music either. Or, toy cars, or dolls, or a sprinkler to run in. Just because cell phones became popularized after 1980 does not make them some inherent evil that must be carefully controlled to prevent it's diabolical spread. A cell phone is a tool or a toy. They are are less expensive than a video game. Heck, they verge on the price of coloring books, which means that even if they are abused, so what. Of course, at 5, my son is perfectly capable of handling a phone responsibly. He was responsible enough to handle one when he was 3. If you haven't met any 3 to 16 year olds that are responsible enough to handle a telephone, you should be looking at their parents as to why. It isn't because of their age. Seriously, at less than 16, people have built nations. What genetic defect would make them incapable of handling a telephone.

      The age that cell phones are appropriate is the age that the kid can understand how not to randomly call strangers.

      I didn't get my 5 year old a cell phone because I am over protective. I did it so that whatever my limit's on his freedom were before, I could extend them, knowing that if he got separated from us, he could just call us and read some signs to let us know where he is. This worked out VERY well when we took him to Disneyland at 4. We gave him one of our phones. When he wanted to run free in Tom Sawyer's caves, we were comfortable letting him go. When it turned out that he exited from an exit that we didn't know about, and called us telling us that he couldn't find us, we didn't need to panic. We didn't need to report him as lost. We just needed him to describe what he could see. Less than 2 minutes later, we were all back together again, and a trip that could have been severely traumatic, was just a lot of fun.

      I am also going to give my child the tools that make him WANT to write. Why any parent would say "My child want's to write a lot, but I don't think they are responsible enough to do it." is beyond me. I personally love it when my 5 year old sends me little notes over the cell phone telling me that he loves me, tells me what he is doing at that moment, or just tells me about something he thought was neat.

  2. OK by OrangeMonkey11 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So whatever happen to just let the kid go outside and play. I'm all for introducing kids to technologies and educating them but this is a little to much. IMO this is just a way to train your kids not to be sociable when they are adults. It seems that more and more of the younger generation are losing their ability to to really converse face to face.

    1. Re:OK by eln · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But if we encourage them to go outside, they'll end up on your lawn, and then where will you be?

      Texting is a key component to being sociable these days among young people. Social skills are developed and used through texting just as they were over the phone in our generation and over at the soda fountain or wherever the hell they went in our grandparents' generation. The old ways may be best for us because it's what we're used to, but expecting the kids today to socialize in the same way we did is just as silly as our grandparents expecting us to follow some elaborate courtship ritual involving handkerchiefs and whatnot like they did.

      As long as the kids are only permitted to text certain trusted people (close family members, for example) and have limits set on their time, just like we had limits set on our phone time, I don't see any issue.

  3. First, learn to spell and write properly. by drunken_boxer777 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This sounds like a load of trouble to me. I will certainly teach my children to spell and write properly before allowing them to own any texting-enabled device. Imagine a generation of people who learned texting before proper spelling and grammar. The horrors!

    1. Re:First, learn to spell and write properly. by lbalbalba · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well that's just 'natural evolution' of the language. Language is not something that is fixed in stone for all etermity, rather, it is a continuously changing entity.

    2. Re:First, learn to spell and write properly. by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When my youngest was in kindergarten, the stupid school district came up with having the pre-readers write diaries, with what they called "invented spelling".

      She still can't spell. Thanks, "educators".

    3. Re:First, learn to spell and write properly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sorry, Socrates, but it's our ability to communicate with one another that protects us from the wild. We don't spit spit poison or fly or run 40 mph. Illiteracy is bad.

    4. Re:First, learn to spell and write properly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes. An Icelandic speaker can read Old Norse with limited difficulty.

  4. Depends by d-r0ck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When they are old enough to buy their own texting device and pay their own bills then I'll let my kids text.

    1. Re:Depends by Facegarden · · Score: 1, Insightful

      When they are old enough to buy their own texting device and pay their own bills then I'll let my kids text.

      While I agree with the sentiment (that's what I did - got a job at 15 and paid for my own cell), you're forgetting how important communication is to kids these days. In most states you can't legally work till you're 15 or so, and that's really old to just be getting a cell. It may be hard to accept, but kids are getting phones much earlier now, and although toddler might be too young, 10 or 12 probably isn't. Making your kid wait till they're 15 or 16 means making them miss out on socializing with their friends, and you risk making them more of a social outcast as a result.

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    2. Re:Depends by kthejoker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the swankier part of town, I saw some kid (16 tops) drive into the Target parking lot yesterday in a Z3. That car is as good as wrecked, my friends, because there is no way that kid treats that car with the same respect that some single mom does her 1993 Taurus that is her only means of transportation and thus survival.

      Lord knows if I had enough income/cash to buy a Z3 my 16 year old kid would still be getting the beater with his own job money.

    3. Re:Depends by Facegarden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At risk of being a "social outcast"? Like some geek who hangs out on Slashdot?

      How foolish of me to deny my son a phone while letting him play outside with his friends. Instead of spending that time together they could be busily texting each other about what they might have been doing.

      Or worse, be like some idiot adults who have so little social skills that they spend most of their time with Person A ignoring them, and texting Person B. Only to reverse it later.

      You seriously misunderstand the development of the social scene, and how tech relates to it. While i agree that kids should not just sit inside and text about what they could be doing, that's not normally what they do - that's just FUD meant to prove your point. Although some kids might do that, you can still encourage them to go out just as any parent would do in generations past when a kid was too hooked on TV. The point is that kids communicate a LOT now, and while they can still go out and hang out with someone, not being able to text other friends leaves them more out of the social circle.

      There was just an article on slashdot i thought, that mentioned that when kids are hanging out texting other friends, it actually seems to make people feel more included - it's an interesting social phenomenon that should not just be ignorantly dismisses as social ineptitude. And while i can't find the article right now, just realize that this is all more complex that older people want to make it out to be. And either way, its the future.
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    4. Re:Depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That car is as good as wrecked

      Depends on the kid.

      My dad bought me a (used) Z4 when I was around age 16. Aside from putting a gouge smaller than a quarter in the front bumper (in a parking lot), it's at least as good as the day I got it. Better probably, considering that I fixed the bumper and have had regular maintenance done.

      I don't assume that not buying a BMW for your kid makes you an undereducated pleb, so don't assume that being financially well off automatically makes me an inconsiderate ass. There's a lot more to that makes up character than just "do you have money or not".

    5. Re:Depends by SirWhoopass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      don't assume that being financially well off automatically makes me an inconsiderate ass

      Quite true. However, in defense of the GP, it is so often an easy and accurate predictor.

  5. Re:0 Years of age by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >>>think its great to teach 5 year olds Sex ed.

    Sure. Why not? When my 6-year-old nephew asked, "How do babies get in mommys bellies?" I just told him straight-up. The daddy puts his "pee pee" into his wife's private area, and that puts his seed into her belly, and then it grows into a baby. He went "ewwww" and then went back to watching TV. If he wants more info, he'll ask when he's ready to handle it.

    We discuss other "disgusting" things with our kids, like how to pee into the toilet, or how to wipe the brown stuff off their butt, so I see no reason to withhold the sex information either. In fact I think it's better to them them NOW when they young, rather than wait until they become self-conscious teens who are easily embarrassed.

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  6. Re:0 Years of age by lbalbalba · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And what exactly, pray tell, is wrong with teaching 5 year olds sex ed ?

  7. People Still Text? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Texting was that tiny spot on the personal digital communications timeline between "Cell Phones Become Prevalent" and "Smartphones with E-Mail Become Prevalent." And I guess I can't really say that "smartphones have become prevalent," beyond the anecdotal "everyone I know uses a smartphone now and just e-mails from it (at no extra charge)." So, yeah, give kids the ability to text, I guess. Give 'em all an abacus and a CueCat while you're add it, too.

  8. Any age is fine as long as parents do their job by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not the technology that's the problem. As with anything it's lazy parenting and the technology being used to replace something a parent should be doing. With proper parenting, a child learning how to text will have a head start over his friends and not being a spoiled little twat.

  9. My 18 month old has real linux laptop and... by CyrusHellborg · · Score: 1, Insightful

    (I didn't read the article. I've got my own opinions and agenda) We gave our son a disabled Blackberry at 6 months, and a OLPC laptop at 14 months. He hasn't gotten bored with the laptop at all. It stays on at a workstation area he chose and arranged, and he is the only one who gets to use it. I am proud of him and certain he is better for having these gadgets in daily use.

  10. Re:0 Years of age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the wisest things about parenting I've ever heard:

    "If you are old enough to ask the question, you are old enough to hear the answer."

    They may not like the answer but they can handle it.

  11. Re:0 Years of age by NovaHorizon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    he did say "sex ed" apposed to "teach them about sex". So I'll assume he meant having it discussed during preschool, and not at home.
    I agree that if they ask, you should answer. I won't bring up the debate about teaching it in school by giving my opinion of it first though.

    Often times, answering a child's question is simply the best approach (often enough that I can't think of a time that it's not, though I won't close my answer to say there aren't times to answer.)

    Even while working in a call center you can learn this. I had a father call in once, and during the troubleshooting, his son was asking who he was talking to. The father was trying to unsuccessfully trying to get his child to let him continue the call in peace, and I gave the advice to simply answer the question. Soon as he answered, his child was satisfied and went away.

    Amazing how much a single answer can matter to someone who hasn't had their curiosity taken away by modern education.

  12. Re:0 Years of age by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're not legally allowed to drive then don't tell me how to drive. If you've never done a thing, don't try to tell someone who's done it how to do it. You'll only show your ignorance.

  13. Re:0 Years of age by evanbd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Precisely. The corollary, though, is that the answer needs to be age-appropriate. Recognize that young children often want the simple version of the answer; if they want more, they'll ask. Often they don't, or don't want it right away. The overly complex answer is less helpful.

  14. Misleading summary by plumby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you RTFA, there are no "texting devices aimed at children as young as three ". The device aimed at 3 year olds is a toy with spelling games that's designed to look like a Blackberry. My daughter has had toy phones, including toy mobiles, since she was was one (and I'm pretty sure I had a pull-along phone when I was a toddler). Don't really see how this is greatly different from that.

    Kids these days are surrounded by technology - my daughter's now 3 and would much rather sit and play on the CBeebies (BBC kids channel) website than watch CBeebies on the TV. If used (and supervised) properly, tech can be great for education as well as being fun.

  15. The question floors me by pclminion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm a father of a two year old. I think my brain experienced some kind of segfault when I read this. What is a two (or even three) year old going to say in a text message?

    I don't see anything inherently wrong with exposure to technology at a young age. But I think the world (at least among first world countries) is already so saturated with technology that it's hardly necessary to go deliberately pushing it in kid's faces. I'd have to go out of my way to make my son interested in a cell phone. He's far too obsessed with other things, like a stick lying on the ground, or a butterfly flying across his face, or jumping up in down while rotating in a circle until he gets so dizzy he falls over in hysterics.

    Compare those experiences with -- what -- sitting in a chair zoning into a tiny little screen? There will be time for that later. Right now, it seems far more important that he learn a few basic facts. Like, I don't know, the basic physical nature of reality. The fundamental rules of social interaction with other children and adults. The way the grass feels on your skin as you roll down a hill.

    I don't forbid the child to play with a piece of technology. He just isn't interested in it. Every child is different, but I have to wonder if some parents are deliberately pushing technology on their kids when they'd much rather be doing something else. The world is a big, complex, and rich place. Technology has a way of latching into our minds and compelling us to sit for hours zoning into a screen. I'd rather delay that until later, and does that really make me a bad parent or a Luddite?