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Texting Toddlers, How Young is Too Young?

theodp writes "Toddlers don't need to be texting, concedes the NYT's Lisa Belkin, but since they have always had toy typewriters and toy telephones, why not toy Blackberrys? If your little tyke is itching to text, the NYT has a round-up of texting devices aimed at children as young as three who want to talk with their thumbs. The question of, 'when is a child is old enough for their own cell phone' has been replaced with the question of, 'what type of texting gadget is appropriate for which age group.' But don't forget to lay down the law: 'Our 13-year-old got a phone with an unlimited plan as a reward for good grades,' says HiTechMommy.com blogger Cat Schwartz. 'Each night he is required to turn the phone in at 10 p.m. and then gets it back first thing in the morning.'"

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  1. Something is wrong with this. by Locdonan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Turning it in and then getting it back the next day? Responsible Parenting? Lies! With no kids myself, I can only offer tech to my 3 nieces as their parents see fit. I think teens is a good age, but as always, it depends on when the child can show responsible behavior. Many College students in my town are not responsible enough to own phones.

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    1. Re:Something is wrong with this. by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In most cases kids quickly lose interest. "I want I want I want" quickly becomes "I'm bored" as the novelty wears off and the phone disappears into a drawer.

      I was discussing this with my boss a little while ago, and he said his kids destroy half the stuff he buys for them, and that when we were growing-up we appreciated things more. And I replied, "That's because we didn't have anything. I had one record player and I treasured it like it was gold." He laughed and conceded the same was true for him.

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    2. Re:Something is wrong with this. by noundi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These things are always ridiculous. Kids, just as adults, aren't all equally responsible. If you teach your kid how responsibility rewards itself with extended freedom there's no need to yank the phone after dark. If you want to check to make sure your child isn't abusing his freedom you can ask for a detailed bill and check the hours, and if he has been abusing his freedom you can then yank the phone until he has proven to be responsible enough, given that you have enough patience. If you don't then probably you shouldn't be a parent in the first place.

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    3. Re:Something is wrong with this. by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Looking at how my daughter handles things vs. how my youngest brother-in-law (a teenager) handles things, or even how I believe I handled things as a kid, I think most of it comes down to teaching a kid to treasure the things they have. My brother-in-law breaks or loses something, and he ends up with a new one that's better than what he had before. He's almost better off breaking stuff than taking care of it. My daughter asks for something, if it's of any significant cost and/or value, it could be a while before she gets it, and she may have to give something up for it. If she breaks it, it could be a long while before she sees a replacement. She seems to value things much better than her uncle, and she's 12 years younger than he is.

      On the other hand, there are some people, like my wife, that simply don't value physical things. In a lot of ways, it's a gift, because she doesn't miss it when it's gone, and she doesn't really want much. In other ways, though, not valuing something means not caring enough to think about the way things should be treated, and generally putting more value in what she can get for something than in what she paid for it, or would have to pay to replace it.

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    4. Re:Something is wrong with this. by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Funny

      In most cases kids quickly lose interest. "I want I want I want" quickly becomes "I'm bored" as the novelty wears off and the phone disappears into a drawer.

      I was discussing this with my boss a little while ago, and he said his kids destroy half the stuff he buys for them, and that when we were growing-up we appreciated things more. And I replied, "That's because we didn't have anything. I had one record player and I treasured it like it was gold." He laughed and conceded the same was true for him.

      What is given freely is not valued. Your girlfriend's virginity, worthless if given, of value only if taken!

      Broken Aesops and kidding aside, there's so much to be said for teaching kids the value of something they've earned for themselves. Even if you end up helping to subsidize the purchase, the 10% of the price they put into it could well be the birthday and grandma money they saved up all year. It counts for something. I know I liked my first computer which was a family machine but I loved my second one which was the result of three years worth of xmas and bday funds and subsequent upgrades were paid for with the proceeds of my first job.

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  2. 0 Years of age by Karganeth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is no one too young to benefit from the use of mobiles. Though, obviously, all the old folk will claim it'll ruin their childhood. It will not ruin it. Just because it's different does not mean its bad.

    1. Re:0 Years of age by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >>>think its great to teach 5 year olds Sex ed.

      Sure. Why not? When my 6-year-old nephew asked, "How do babies get in mommys bellies?" I just told him straight-up. The daddy puts his "pee pee" into his wife's private area, and that puts his seed into her belly, and then it grows into a baby. He went "ewwww" and then went back to watching TV. If he wants more info, he'll ask when he's ready to handle it.

      We discuss other "disgusting" things with our kids, like how to pee into the toilet, or how to wipe the brown stuff off their butt, so I see no reason to withhold the sex information either. In fact I think it's better to them them NOW when they young, rather than wait until they become self-conscious teens who are easily embarrassed.

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    2. Re:0 Years of age by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sure. Why not? When my 6-year-old nephew asked, "How do babies get in mommys bellies?"

      Show 'em the face-hugger scene from Alien.

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    3. Re:0 Years of age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One of the wisest things about parenting I've ever heard:

      "If you are old enough to ask the question, you are old enough to hear the answer."

      They may not like the answer but they can handle it.

    4. Re:0 Years of age by NovaHorizon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      he did say "sex ed" apposed to "teach them about sex". So I'll assume he meant having it discussed during preschool, and not at home.
      I agree that if they ask, you should answer. I won't bring up the debate about teaching it in school by giving my opinion of it first though.

      Often times, answering a child's question is simply the best approach (often enough that I can't think of a time that it's not, though I won't close my answer to say there aren't times to answer.)

      Even while working in a call center you can learn this. I had a father call in once, and during the troubleshooting, his son was asking who he was talking to. The father was trying to unsuccessfully trying to get his child to let him continue the call in peace, and I gave the advice to simply answer the question. Soon as he answered, his child was satisfied and went away.

      Amazing how much a single answer can matter to someone who hasn't had their curiosity taken away by modern education.

  3. OK by OrangeMonkey11 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So whatever happen to just let the kid go outside and play. I'm all for introducing kids to technologies and educating them but this is a little to much. IMO this is just a way to train your kids not to be sociable when they are adults. It seems that more and more of the younger generation are losing their ability to to really converse face to face.

    1. Re:OK by eln · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But if we encourage them to go outside, they'll end up on your lawn, and then where will you be?

      Texting is a key component to being sociable these days among young people. Social skills are developed and used through texting just as they were over the phone in our generation and over at the soda fountain or wherever the hell they went in our grandparents' generation. The old ways may be best for us because it's what we're used to, but expecting the kids today to socialize in the same way we did is just as silly as our grandparents expecting us to follow some elaborate courtship ritual involving handkerchiefs and whatnot like they did.

      As long as the kids are only permitted to text certain trusted people (close family members, for example) and have limits set on their time, just like we had limits set on our phone time, I don't see any issue.

  4. First, learn to spell and write properly. by drunken_boxer777 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This sounds like a load of trouble to me. I will certainly teach my children to spell and write properly before allowing them to own any texting-enabled device. Imagine a generation of people who learned texting before proper spelling and grammar. The horrors!

    1. Re:First, learn to spell and write properly. by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well that's just 'natural evolution' of the language. Language is not something that is fixed in stone for all etermity, rather, it is a continuously changing entity.

      That's traditionally due to poor literacy rates and it's not a good thing. Linguistic drift is the reason much of the written works of the English language are opaque to most current English speakers. I want people in 300 years to be able to easily and intuitively understand my papers. I don't want them having to do a running translation of "too" to "2" and so forth.

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  5. Depends by d-r0ck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When they are old enough to buy their own texting device and pay their own bills then I'll let my kids text.

    1. Re:Depends by kthejoker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the swankier part of town, I saw some kid (16 tops) drive into the Target parking lot yesterday in a Z3. That car is as good as wrecked, my friends, because there is no way that kid treats that car with the same respect that some single mom does her 1993 Taurus that is her only means of transportation and thus survival.

      Lord knows if I had enough income/cash to buy a Z3 my 16 year old kid would still be getting the beater with his own job money.

    2. Re:Depends by SirWhoopass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      don't assume that being financially well off automatically makes me an inconsiderate ass

      Quite true. However, in defense of the GP, it is so often an easy and accurate predictor.

  6. It's a practical matter by DynaSoar · · Score: 4, Funny

    If they're going to drool into the keys and ruin it, they're too young.

    If they're going to type at me all day, they're too young.

    If they're going to type at their father all day instead of me, not only are they not too young, I fully expect a call saying "Dad? Remember when you first got that Apple II and were learning to program, and I kept trying to help you? I just wanted to say I'm sorry." THEN if I get that phone call, and they keep pestering him, they're too young. But I'll still laugh. In fact, I may go buy it. They got any with drool proof keys?

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  7. when they are old enough to be unsupervised by fermion · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I see many kids with cell phones not because they are old enough to text their friends, but because the parent don't think they are old enough to be on their own. Kids today don't get any alone time. They are at their parents beck and call. When I was growing up, I ran out of the house to play in the morning and did not return until the street lights came on. There was nothing to get me back home, or to micromanage my day. I was on my on to play and create. Now kids have an hourly reminder of where one is to be,and need to check in frequently from school. What is the point. No wonder we have kids graduating from college with no job prospects. They never learned to manage their own time, or complete a task on their own inititative.

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    1. Re:when they are old enough to be unsupervised by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Informative
      "When I was growing up, I ran out of the house to play in the morning and did not return until the street lights came on.

      Yeah, that's fantastic parenting."

      Actually, it is great parenting...and it was the norm when I was growing up too. Heck, I was out all day during the days with my friends when I was a kid. We ALL were out and about playing every day. We built forts, built our first skateboards before buying them...built our own ramps at the end of the street. Later, we had a neighborhood pool we all went to. And yes, we were pretty much all unsupervised. When I was really young, like in 5th grade or so, I was to call in to home from a neighbors house every couple hours or so. No big deal, whoever's house was the closest...we went in and called a quick call.

      My parents both worked...most of the kids in my neighborhood's parents both worked. But we were good kids, and had fun. sure, we got into some mischief...but nothing terribly harmful and no one got hurt.

      And...amazingly enough, we all turned out ok...successful businessmen, lawyers, bankers...etc. And we didn't have a cell phone on any of us probably till we were ALL in our upper 20's or low 30's.

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  8. Maybe not as bad as we might expect? by damn_registrars · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll start by saying that I genreally despise texting. It is too expensive and too time consuming for my life, and it is extremely distracting. However, there is something that toddlers with cell phones could be good for.

    The US currently has a dismal literacy rate amongst children entering kindergarten. I don't know when or how it happened, but a significant portion of children in this country today enter kindergarten without even a basic understanding of the alphabet, yet alone any ability to read or write. In comparison I and every child in my kindergarten class (so many years ago) were all able to read at least Dr. Susus books.

    So if giving cell phones to kids gets them reading sooner, then I guess it isn't all bad.

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  9. in MY day! by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Funny

    In my day, if we wanted to send a text message to a friend, we used an instant messenger! Or we even wrote out an email. It took time to sit down and put some thought into composing that message. None of this Twitter Trotter Twatter flim-flarn-flith. We had more than 140 characters to work with and could take the time to say something that was worth taking the time to say! And we sat at a keyboard. With a chair. Typed with our fingers instead of with our thumbs like savages.

    If the little ankle-biters offer you any lip, send 'em to their rooms with nothing but bread, water, and 56k dial-up.

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  10. Re:Nothing is too young by vlm · · Score: 5, Funny

    I even got them cell phones when they were 4

    The same is the argument for texting. Dont text while driving,

    As a parent, I send my six year old to his room when I catch him texting while driving.

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  11. frakking ri-frakking-diculous. by scratchpaper · · Score: 5, Funny

    The day my toddler texts me from the other room to tell me he wants some "gam cackers n apple joose" is the day I climb the clocktower.

    1. Re:frakking ri-frakking-diculous. by natehoy · · Score: 4, Funny

      You keep your gam cackers n apple joose at the top of a clocktower? Isn't that terribly inconvenient?

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  12. Any age is fine as long as parents do their job by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not the technology that's the problem. As with anything it's lazy parenting and the technology being used to replace something a parent should be doing. With proper parenting, a child learning how to text will have a head start over his friends and not being a spoiled little twat.