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iPhone Straining AT&T Network

dangle writes "More than 20 million other smartphone users are on the AT&T network, but other phones do not drain the network the way the nine million iPhone users do. Because the average iPhone owner can use 10 times the network capacity used by the average smartphone user, dropped calls, spotty service, delayed text and voice messages and glacial download speeds are the result as AT&T's cellular network strains to meet the demand. AT&T says that the majority of the nearly $18 billion it will spend this year on its networks will be diverted into upgrades and expansions to meet the surging demands on the 3G network."

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  1. slow data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would have had the first post, but I'm browsing from my iPhone.

    1. Re:slow data by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Informative

      Verizon owns Upstate NY, unfortunately. Even in the areas where AT&T works they seem to have capacity and quality issues -- which is strange because they usually have as much (more in some markets) spectrum as Verizon does.

      AT&T has also pulled some crap that leaves existing customers high and dry. TDMA customers would go to bed one night with four bars of signal and wake up the next morning in a dead zone without warning. They are even pulling the same crap with their GSM network -- in many markets they've moved GSM services from 850mhz to 1900mhz to free up spectrum for data services. This is fine and dandy in a dense urban environment -- but in a rural environment the longer range/increased penetration of 850mhz matters a lot more. Because of this you might go to bed having a working cell phone in your house and wake up with a paperweight that only works if you go outdoors. Think they'll let you out of your contract when this happens? Fat chance.

      I loathe Verizon's customer service and arrogance but they've never pulled anything like this.

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    2. Re:slow data by mambodog · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm in New Orleans

      [Kanye West Voice] "AT&T doesn't care about black people!"

  2. And I thought... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All this time, I thought the iPhone was just an overhyped, overpriced smartphone that explodes. Now I see that, incredibly, it is doing some good: a major cell phone company is actually upgrading its network, after all these years of the US falling behind other parts of the world!

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    1. Re:And I thought... by n1ckml007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's a good point. I have noticed this... Pandora streams fine on the '1G' network in the morning, come early evening and it will not steam smoothly at all. Very annoying, and there isn't even 3G where I live!

    2. Re:And I thought... by sadness203 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      they'll pass the invoice to the costumer, don't worry with that.

      Yes, they'll have a good network, but the price will be twice what you could expect in other country for a contract, with the 3 years signup, and all the bullshit they can include to milk their customers.

    3. Re:And I thought... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let them. All current customers can quite fairly state "Change in contract terms, AT&T? That's great! No, I don't accept, and it's good that there's this lovely clause about early termination without penalty. Thanks for giving me this lovely iPhone. I'll be sure to get it jailbroken and on a network which isn't a complete pig."

      Thanks to all those who sacrificed their hard-earned for this to be made possible, though!

      Disclaimer: I'm English. Written from the perspective of a USian, apologies if I've mis(correctly)spelled some words.

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    4. Re:And I thought... by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Heh, i made the mistake of taking my iPhone on roaming mode through Europe. I knew it was going to cost me SOME... but I got an $875 bill for four weeks - and that was making about 10 calls. The rest.... internet usage.

      Suggestion to anyone who is travelling overseas with a phone on roaming mode. Turn off ALL internet access. It will save you hundreds!

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    5. Re:And I thought... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 5, Informative

      Suggestion to anyone who is travelling overseas with a phone on roaming mode. Turn off ALL internet access. It will save you hundreds!

      Just limit yourself to wi-fi access. There have been enough horror stories about huge data roaming bills, but it sounds like the message still hasn't been passed on to everyone.

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    6. Re:And I thought... by poetmatt · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're still quite accurate. Anyone locked with ATT is about to get their chance to jump out, almost any month as long as you realize that clause and take advantage of it.

    7. Re:And I thought... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Geez, You English act like you invented the language.

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  3. Lack of bandwidth is not Apple's fault by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We get so accustomed to bad customer service and lousy throughput and high prices that it doesn't even dawn on us that the problem isn't the usage patterns of iPhone users but rather the consistently half-assed network implementations by American MOs.

    As more and more technology floats up into the Cloud, we are going to need more bandwidth to access it from anywhere. If the MOs can't keep up and implement a network that will support the kind of massive usage that is currently envisioned, there will be a massive breakdown akin to what AT&T is experiencing now.

    Don't blame the vehicles for bad roads. Blame it on the DOT.

    1. Re:Lack of bandwidth is not Apple's fault by MeanMF · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is 100% Apple's fault for putting AT&T in a position where they don't have to compete with other carriers for iPhone business. If you were able to switch to Verizon or another carrier, you can bet AT&T would have upgraded their network a long time ago. AT&T is doing exactly as much as they have to.

    2. Re:Lack of bandwidth is not Apple's fault by mckinleyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, this is /.
      From any ISP's perspective, most of us ARE criminals. I think we'd be hard pressed to find a single person here who HASN'T violated at least some part of copyright law.

  4. About time! by wmelnick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's about time AT&T put some money into the network. The coverage and the dropped calls suck. I can't wait for the 2 year contract to be up. Seriously, it was only a few years ago that the US had the best networks around and was on the cutting edge with cell phones. But we are seriously lagging now. AT&T wanted the iPhone but thought they would be able to grab it without infrastructure upgrades Be careful AT&T - no good deed goes unpunished!

  5. Upgrade budget by YourExperiment · · Score: 5, Insightful

    AT&T says that the majority of the nearly $18 billion it will spend this year on its networks will be diverted into upgrades and expansions to meet the surging demands on the 3G network

    Oh no! They're being forced to spend most of their network upgrade budget on upgrading their network! How will they possibly cope?

  6. Compression? by natehoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm happy to hear that AT&T is looking at upgrades. Personally, I have run into almost no issues, but my area is a pretty recent recipient of 3G. Internet browsing got pretty slow midsummer, but AT&T managed through the bulk of tourist season with decent service. Now that most of our state's guests are headed home as the weather starts to cool and school gets back in session, I'm sure the load on the network will decrease.

    I'm curious, though. I know very little about Apple's infrastructure on the iPhone, but I know that most of my Internet access on the Blackberry goes through a central server (BES for companies or BIS for individuals) and that data gets compressed en route. The primary reason, of course, is so pages can load more quickly, but it also has a side effect of requiring less data be transferred, therefore less load on the network.

    Opera's mobile browser operates on the same basic idea - the "preview" you get of each web page is loaded as a very small and low-res image, then when you click on a section for details you zoom in on that area and it loads more detail. But the entire web page is not loaded to your phone up front - Opera's server serves up the parts you are looking at right now.

    Does Safari do this, or does it load the entire page in full detail up front so you can zoom in on the little bit you want to see? If it loads the whole page, Apple and AT&T might want to discuss some form of "preview load" and only load more detail as it is asked for. It'd probably cut data usage considerably and if the preview loads quickly it would even improve the user experience.

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  7. Re:Take pre-emptive action by yincrash · · Score: 5, Funny

    4) find aliens

  8. Re:Take pre-emptive action by WalletBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Corollary: send a mirror copy of all data to fbi.gov. See if we can cause two incidents at the same time.

    That won't be necessary since if you're using AT&T a copy is automatically sent to the Feds.

  9. Three Possibilities by MBCook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see three possibilities. First, AT&T hasn't invested in their network enough. That's a given. Second, iPhone users are just network hogs, I don't think so.

    So that leaves us with possibility three: the iPhone is the first phone that isn't an incredible pain to use.

    I think that all other smart phones are artificially low in bandwidth usage because they're hard to use. The IE5 based browser on Windows Mobile (I know they recently improved it) in my experience was a total joke and almost unusable. The browser on BlackBerries, in fact the UI as a whole, is not designed to ease of use at all, it's "here's an empty button we can use". That only really leaves non smart phones, and even IF you had a data plan, I'm sure we all know how easy browsing with those things was.

    Basically the iPhone is the first device it's possible to easily surf the web without wanting to throw the phone into a wall.

    When you give your customers something that actually works and is usable... they use it.

    Go figure.

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  10. A proposal by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about this: Cell phone companies are no longer permitted to own cell phone towers. Instead, we have

    (1) Stores selling cell phones.
    (2) Service companies offering cell phone contracts.
    (3) Cellular Service Providers (CSPs) that provide cellular service to phones, by billing the service companies (2)

    So I go to Wal-Mart (1) and buy a phone. I activate it with AT&T (2). My phone finds a nearby tower that speaks a compatible protocol, that is owned and operated by a CSP (3). The CSP then tracks my usage and bills my service company (2), who then bills me.

    This basically takes the internet approach, and applies it to the cellular network.

    Advantages:
    - No more tying of cell phones (1) to service companies (2)
    - No more long complex service contracts, because it removes barriers of entry into that business, and because it is easy for cellular users to switch.
    - Increased incentive to move toward a single standard. No more CDMA because: who would want to finance a tower that isn't going to work for new phones and customers?
    - No concept of "roaming" charges since cell towers are no longer tied to a specific provider.
    - More efficient coverage since there are no longer redundant towers. Ex: Today, T-Mobile and AT&T may both build a tower in the same place, to service their own respective customers. In this system, one tower would suffice.
    - More incentive to build towers where it is profitable, regardless of whose customers they are. Ex: Verizon builds towers in places where they have customers. But they won't build where they do not have customers.