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Google Patents Its Home Page

theodp writes "A week after new USPTO Director David Kappos pooh-poohed the idea that a lower patent allowance rate equals higher quality, Google was granted a patent on its Home Page. Subject to how the design patent is enforced, Google now owns the idea of having a giant search box in the middle of the page, with two big buttons underneath and several small links nearby. And you doubted Google's commitment to patent reform, didn't you?"

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  1. Evil. by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is all.

    1. Re:Evil. by Canazza · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or... it's a cunning ploy to show how idiotic Patents are in this day-and-age.

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    2. Re:Evil. by rehtonAesoohC · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Google only acquiring the patent is NOT evil.

      Now, if they bust out an army of Google patent lawyers and start suing everything that has an input box and a submit button... then I'd have to agree. But for now, it could just be a brilliant plan to showcase how NOT evil Google is, and how RETARDED the patent process can be.

      And besides... what if some malevolent entity decided to patent this before Google did? Then we'd all be in for a heap of trouble, because this other entity would be doing it just to troll patent infringement lawsuits all over the place. At least now Google could potentially prevent that kind of behavior... But again, goes to show how dumb the patent process really is.

    3. Re:Evil. by Stile+65 · · Score: 5, Informative

      RTFS. It's a design patent, not a software (utility) patent.

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    4. Re:Evil. by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is all.

      Or it's to prevent scammers and phishers from making Google-like homepages. Think for a minute how awesome that would be if you got a rube to show up at your www.google.eldavo.com and it looked just like the Google homepage. They do a search for Bank of America and it takes them to www.bankofamerica.eldavo.com which looks just like bank of america. You could potentially do a lot of damage if you had the patience to go around scraping major sites and just making static HTML pages that sent username and password back to a database. And if you could get like three or four sites to correlate your identity theft ...

      With domain name poisoning or the actions of some viruses on the hosts file in Windows, is it so hard to imagine an entrepreneurial scammer getting naive people to download and install a virus that simple takes them to www.google.eldavo.com instead of google's real homepage? Perhaps with this design patent (as everyone and their dog has pointed out already), their intent is to make prosecuting these scammers a possibility for them instead of having to wait for the feds to come up with some identity theft charges. After all, were I stealing your info, I'd just be selling it. Not directly doing the identity theft, mind you.

      You can spin this both ways. Is it possible for Google to start attacking everyone with simple centered search boxes and links across the top? Maybe. I doubt they'd get far but if you can point me to a case of that, I'll conceded vileness.

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    5. Re:Evil. by vandit2k6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or they could also just be covering their own ass up. There is a history of smaller companies suing larger companies just for the $$. I think Google doesn't want the hassle. That's just my opinion!

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    6. Re:Evil. by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is a design patent, not an invention patent. Adidas has a patent on the three stripes design on their clothes. There is nothing technical or inventive about it, it is just how people recognise their product.

    7. Re:Evil. by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      RTFS. It's a design patent, not a software (utility) patent.

      I'm not sure that distinction matters in this case. Designers are directly limited, but they'd use software to implement the idea. Software developers who make web pages are limited, despite this being a design patent.

    8. Re:Evil. by denominateur · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I remember reading somewhere that there are processes in place for a patent submitter to deprecate a patent and forcefully render its content public domain. Am I remembering incorrectly? If not, then that would surely be a sign of goodwill as it would render the given content unpatentable.

    9. Re:Evil. by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Informative

      They have a trademark as well, but if Nike were to take the design of one of the items of clothing, and replace the Adidas logo with their own, that wouldn't infringe the trademark, but it would infringe the design patent.

    10. Re:Evil. by yesteraeon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That this is a stupid patent and may, in fact, be prior art, doesn't mean Google's motivations are nefarious. Indeed, if you are correct that it is prior art, then all the more reason for Google to apply for this patent even if they have no intention of enforcing it. If Google could receive the patent despite prior art (or lack of originality), then another organization could possibly have done the same thing and then turned around and sued Google. If you had billions to lose and were working in a broken patent system, you would apply for some dumb patents too, just to cover your ass.

    11. Re:Evil. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or it's to prevent scammers and phishers from making Google-like homepages

      Which is the purpose of trademark law -- to protect the customer by allowing them to distinguish with whom they're doing business.

      Google's homepage has this big Google logo on it, which is (I presume) a registered trademark of Google. If you put a Google logo, or something that looks like it, on your page, the trademark cops will crush you. No design patent is necessary.

      This is more like Apple's evil "look-and-feel" lawsuits from the early 90s.

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    12. Re:Evil. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You need to ask yourself two question:

      1. When has Google sued or threatened to sue anyone over patent violations?

      2. When has Microsoft sued or threatened to sue anyone over patent violations?

      I don't think Google has _ever_ even threatened to sue. They've been sued, on a number of occasions, but I can't find any references to them actually doing the suing.

      Microsoft, on the other hand, has been shouting for years that Linux violates 238 of it's patents. Although they've toned it down recently. They've also sued TomTom just this year, over patent violations.

      It's not just "Microsoft has a patent, so they're evil!......Google has a patent, so they're showing the stupidity of the patent system!"
      You've got to take into account the history of the patent holder, what previous abuses they have subjected customers and competitors to, among other things.

      There's a reason the punishment for a second offence is bigger than the first offence. Because courts take into account the history of the offender. You're not doing that.
      You're complaining about foebois and fanbois, while you yourself are blinkered to the big picture.

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    13. Re:Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a patent attorney, I can tell you it makes a big difference--the coverage of a design patent is very thin--it covers basically what and only what you see in solid lines in the image of the patent that was included in the article (the dotted lines are not part of the patent). This means this patent covers a big search box, with the links above and below, and notably a big box that says "search" right next to one that says "I'm feeling lucky". Design patents are pretty narrow anyway, but including the boxes and wording keeps this pretty tight.

      All-in-all, this is probably just fine. It will keep anyone from creating dead knock-offs, but not much more.

    14. Re:Evil. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wrong.

      Microsoft sued first. TomTom's suit was the response.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE52J1IE20090320

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  2. Design patent != Normal Patent... by nweaver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Design patents are for very distinctive but not functional items.

    EG, Apple has tons, TONS of design patents on the iMac, as they had on the NeXT cube and pizza boxes, as so on and so forth...

    That google did NOT already have a design patent on their home page is strange and noteworthy, not that they just got one now.

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    1. Re:Design patent != Normal Patent... by nycguy · · Score: 4, Funny

      So next time I hear someone talk about intelligent design, I'm going to ask them to show me God's patents.

    2. Re:Design patent != Normal Patent... by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Informative

      Please read up on design patents . They protect only the decorative, non-functional elements of a design.

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    3. Re:Design patent != Normal Patent... by hamburger+lady · · Score: 4, Insightful

      don't bother. /.ers see 'patent' and flip out. never mind that a design patent is non-functional, it doesn't matter. it's the "P" word.

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    4. Re:Design patent != Normal Patent... by mdwh2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thank you, we know what a design patent is. How does that make it different such that the objections people have put forward here are not valid?

      E.g., does that mean other people are free to design a similar interface? Of course not. In which case, they share the same property of other kinds of patents that people disagree with.

      Put it another way - why does putting the word "design" in front make it okay? ("Don't bother, hamburger lady sees the 'd' word, and flips out, there's obviously no valid argument here." - see how invalid that argument is?)

      And they are not "non-functional", rather, they cover non-functional designs. The patent itself certainly functions.

  3. Before everyone jumps on this by BeardsmoreA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is of course perfectly possible that they have no intention of abusing this in any way, and merely wanted to make sure they didn't end up fighting any stupid law suits from some bright spark who had the idea of filing something similar and going after them with it.
    Time will tell how 'evil' this is.

  4. defensive patenting by rackeer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me defend google. One thing is wanting to reform the status quo, another having to live with it. They are pragmatic. It doesn't make sense to close your eyes to reality. Google has been fighting off patent trolls for a long time. They have to be careful.

  5. Re:Goatse patents mooning by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Funny

    In retaliation, goatse has now patented mooning, and also all images of anuses.

    That's not evil, that's a public service.

  6. Re:Please read the patent by julesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There must be some functionality that is patented, so I doubt the patent is just "a search box with a couple buttons".

    It's a design patent, not a patent. That is, a patent on visual arrangement of elements.

  7. Before you start foaming at the mouth... by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...note that this a is a design patent . It is more like a trademark than a utility patent and covers only the "non-functional" elements of the design.

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  8. Has Google been losing its luster, lately? by MoralHazard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, there's the outages. Google NEVER used to go down, it was part of their "mystique"--their engineering was SOOO amazing, and so well designed. The Cloud could NEVER go down!

    Second, there's the Evil. I feel like I saw this one coming, years ago, having spent a good portion of my career in the advertising industry. It's a simple equation, right? Google is a publicly-traded company, and their core business is selling advertisements, which means their REAL business is selling your eyeballs+buying habits to anybody and everybody with cash. Eventually, there had to be some visible, significant conflicts between the basic reality and their high-concept, geek-chic PR fantasy.

    Finally, and this is more personal, there's the lack of responsiveness from developers, and the perception of a "one-way street". Go look up the API for Google Tasks, and you'll see what I mean: Not only doesn't it exist, despite a lot of begging from interested users/developers, but Google keeps responding (when they do respond, which isn't often) that they have a corporate policy of not discussing pending release schedules. I understand that they have finite resources and have to make their own development roadmap, but their attitude seems to be "we're not going to acknowledge the gripes of our base". Which basically is the same attitude that any Big Software Company takes.

    So, I'm not saying that Google is a crap company, or that I'm going to stop using Gmail, or that they're the new Evil Empire. But they're not really fundamentally different from every other Evil Corporation that we like to villify, here on Slashdot. There are no "good guys" and "bad guys"--there's just an open field of self-interested actors, each with a shitload more money, engineers, and lawyers than you.

    1. Re:Has Google been losing its luster, lately? by MoralHazard · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, what I did there was the opposite of "polarize", because I smooshed everything into one big group, in the middle. I don't know what the right word would be, though.

      What I also did, more importantly, was take the piss out of Google, and apparently offend one of their fans (you).

      I'm curious what basis you have to believe that "the people in charge at Google have more 'moral' business ethics than most'. Did you take a sample of businesses and rate the ethical practices of each? Or have you worked there, and seen how Google Sausage is made, and compared it to other companies for which you've worked?

      I'm going to wear my colors, here, and guess that you're responding to the hard work that Google's brilliant PR department has but into their carefully polished corporate image.

      But let's make this fun, I'll going to and make this simple challenge:

              What evidence can you provide to support your claim that Google is ethically superior to most other businesses?

      and if you're game, you show me what you've got. (Feel free to define those terms however you want, it's your assertion, anyway.)

  9. Appear to not do Evil! by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me get this straight.

    Google goes to a library and begins to scan every book they can get their hands on for the "Altruistic" reason of making the book available for a wider audience. This is without asking the author's permission, and to make things appear fair they make a scheme that authors have to follow to "opt-out". This is basically changing the enforcement of the current copyright law for Google's benefit.

    While at the same time they are defending their right to copy the contents of a book without the author's permission in court, they patent their home page so other's can't copy it without Google's permission. Bizarre. Pot meet Kettle...

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  10. Re:Don't be evil? by reebmmm · · Score: 5, Informative

    Design patent law is an area of great frustration for people. Design patents are relatively easy to obtain because of what they cover: essentially the identical design or any colorable imitation. As recently stated by the Fed. Cir., the test for design patent infringement is stated: "infringement will not be found unless the accused article âoeembod[ies] the patented design or any colorable imitation thereof.â" Egyptian Goddess, Inc. v. Swisa, Inc. Therefore, to invalidate, the design must either embody the prior art or merely be a colorable imitation. This is a tricky analysis.

    For companies like Apple and Google, design patents are helpful in preventing knock-offs. In this respect, the line is blurred between trademark and design patent law. However, they are not useful for much else since many of the elements of a design are functional (and a good lawyer can make that argument) and are not merely composed of distinctive elements.

    And, all is not lost for similar "prior art" designs, though. The very same case made the point that "prior art" designs might also be used by a defendant to highlight the differences between the claimed and accused design. Thus, an accused defendant might escape infringement by pointing out those elements they share with the prior art design and thus those elements cannot be the grounds for infringement.

    A final point, design patents are what a lot of people were duped into filing when going to Invention Help companies. Those companies simply filed a mostly worthless design patent instead of a utility patent. They have practically no commercial value except as a deterrent to would-be second-comers trying to copy verbatim the design. Therefore, those that were duped have virtually no protection against second comers that merely make changes the look & feel of an "invention." Plus, the inventors are then locked out of filing a utility application because they usually don't realize until much too late (more than a year after they start selling, for instance). That sucks.

  11. Re:Evil. -- Make it prior-art not a patent! by Webcommando · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...or they could have simply published and established prior art without the need for a patent.

    If you have an idea and you want to make sure you can use it, but don't think it is patent worthy, you can publish it to cite later when someone else attempts to patent it.

    When I was designing manufacturing systems, we would often do this. Since it was internal technology, it would be difficult to identify infringers using it in their factories. However, we didn't want some machine vendor or someone visiting claiming our designs are an infringement.

    I'll admit I don't trust Google as far as I can throw one of their private jets. I'll also admit that I believe patents are important to protect real innovations.

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  12. Re:Evil. -- Make it prior-art not a patent! by Quantumstate · · Score: 4, Informative

    In case you hadn't noticed they did publish it. They even went to the lengths of making it the main feature of their website just to make it obvious that they really were publishing it.