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Musicians Oppose Anti-Piracy Measures In the UK

BluePeppers writes "The Guardian has a story, primarily about a deal that allows YouTube to broadcast music videos again, but also covering a coalition of artist unions that are opposing new legislation in the UK that would punish file sharers more severely. From the article: 'A coalition of bodies representing a range of stars including Sir Paul McCartney, Sir Elton John, and Damon Albarn attacks the proposals as expensive, illogical and "extraordinarily negative." The Featured Artists Coalition, the British Academy of Songwriters, Composers and Authors, and the Music Producers Guild have joined forces to oppose the proposals to reintroduce the threat of disconnection for persistent file sharers, which was ruled out in the government's Digital Britain report in June.""

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  1. Good stuff... by Shrike82 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps if more big names come out in opposition of measures like this the PRS in Britain and the RIAA in the US won't be able to hide behind excuses like "we're doing this for the artists".

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    1. Re:Good stuff... by Spad · · Score: 5, Informative

      PRS != RIAA

      PRS is the Performing Rights Society; the UK equivalent of the RIAA is the BPI. The PRS is more like ASCAP.

    2. Re:Good stuff... by im+just+cannonfodder · · Score: 5, Informative


      lets not for get who is actually behind the MPAA - RIAA, these are the companies that need to be targeted and boycotted into changing their ways, purchase only 2nd hand media and do not purchase anything branded sony, why allow the fecktards to dictate hardware DRM anymore.

      Name and shame the companies as all the **AA trade group name is for is to protect the fucking capitalist corporate globalist wankers from bad press.


      RIAA, CRIA, SOUNDEXCHANGE, BPI, IFPI, Ect:

      # Sony BMG Music Entertainment
      # Warner Music Group
      # Universal Music Group
      # EMI

      MPAA, MPA, FACT, AFACT, Ect:

      # Sony Pictures
      # Warner Bros. (Time Warner)
      # Universal Studios (NBC Universal)
      # The Walt Disney Company
      # 20th Century Fox (News Corporation)
      # Paramount Pictures Viacom--(DreamWorks owners since February 2006)


      If sony payola (google it) wasn't bad enough to destroy indie competition you have this:

      Is it justified to steal from thieves? READ ON.

      RIAA Claims Ownership of All Artist Royalties For Internet Radio
      http://slashdot.org/articles/07/04/29/0335224.shtml

      "With the furor over the impending rate hike for Internet radio stations, wouldn't a good solution be for streaming internet stations to simply not play RIAA-affiliated labels' music and focus on independent artists? Sounds good, except that the RIAA's affiliate organization SoundExchange claims it has the right to collect royalties for any artist, no matter if they have signed with an RIAA label or not. 'SoundExchange (the RIAA) considers any digital performance of a song as falling under their compulsory license. If any artist records a song, SoundExchange has the right to collect royalties for its performance on Internet radio. Artists can offer to download their music for free, but they cannot offer their songs to Internet radio for free ... So how it works is that SoundExchange collects money through compulsory royalties from Webcasters and holds onto the money. If a label or artist wants their share of the money, they must become a member of SoundExchange and pay a fee to collect their royalties.'"

      http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/4/24/141326/870

    3. Re:Good stuff... by Jaysyn · · Score: 4, Informative

      www.riaaradar.com will help you in finding real indie acts.

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    4. Re:Good stuff... by Jurily · · Score: 4, Funny

      PRS is the Performing Rights Society; the UK equivalent of the RIAA is the BPI. The PRS is more like ASCAP.

      Score: 5, Acronym Overload

    5. Re:Good stuff... by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not sure why this is marked troll

      Sony has a lot of employees, and a lot of them come here, and some get mod points. Any time I mention Sony's XCP rootkit I get modded troll or flamebait. But notice the system worked -- the Sony shill was out modded by better mods, and it's a 5 informative now.

      I'm confused by magnatune they advertise that they give 50% to artists, but taking a 50% cut for hosting & selling music seams excessive

      Everybody and their dog rips musicians off, and it's a damned shame. The record lables rip of their artists, the bars rip off your local guys who play live, etc. It's disgusting. "But Harry doesn't mind if he doesn't make the scene; he's got a full time job, he's doin' all right." (Sultans of Swing). Most musicians, no matter how talented, are either poor or working at some other job. I know a lot of musicians here in Springfield, and only a few are doing OK without a non-musical job. Many of them majored in music in college.

    6. Re:Good stuff... by Animaether · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Consider the idea of boycotting all of SONY - by which I mean SONY Corporation - because SONY BMG screwed up.

      That Bravia TV? Don't buy it.
      That PS3? Don't buy it.
      That Blu-Ray player from, say, JVC? Don't buy it - JVC pays SONY
      That CD - any artist, even if it's you? Don't buy it - every CD and CD-R made at this point nets SONY a tiny amount of dosh.
      Spiderman movie? Don't buy it.
      Tom & Jerry on TV? Don't watch it (Tom & Jerry = MGM+Turner. MGM = 20% owned by SONY. Your watching it makes it more attractive for advertisers to put their ads around the show for good sums of money, a slice of which goes to.. voila).
      That laptop you're buying? Double-check it doesn't use a SONY panel.
      That digital camera you're buying? Make sure it doesn't use a SONY sensor (e.g. Nikon has SONY sensors in many models). .. and so forth and so on.

      Let's face it - unless you want to be bordering on paranoia whenever you buy something, there's absolutely no good way to boycott a megacorp like SONY even if the idea that long-term boycotting SONY for the short-term actions of a - all things considered - tiny part of the conglomerate wasn't preposterous to begin with. Let me restate that.. I'm not saying that a boycott should be easy - of course it shouldn't, if we could all be lazy in boycotts then a boycott wouldn't work either. What I am saying is, it is nigh-on impossible to boycott a megacorp 100%. Even if -you- decide to no longer buy any product that has a SONY logo on it - a boycott that -is- quite doable, they'll still be getting money from you through the multitude of other channels they have, and through their main channels from the people who don't go along with your boycott.

      SONY's bottom line, and that of any other truly big company (let alone the likes of Unilever, Procter & Gamble and the like), is hardly ever hurt by a (call for a) boycott (see e.g. the Nestlé boycott, going on since the 70's, and check out the financial charts for Nestlé.. could they have made an even bigger profit if it weren't for the boycott? sure. Are they in dire straits because of the boycott? Don't be silly.) They're typically more hurt by their own ineptitude and/or loss of appeal for their products/business in general (e.g. Circuit City, sadly), and bad press in specific.

      Perhaps this is just a pessimistic view, but it's based on what I see around me. A small baker had to close shop because people boycotted him for selling factory-created pastries - simply because his two children buggered off and he had no time to do that in addition to the fresh breads, cakes, pies, etc. So now people have to buy factory-created breads at the local supermarket as well. The same supermarket (Albert Heijn) that has been 'boycotted' time and again for a multitude of things.. but is still going strong and opening up new stores left and right.

      These days, a 'public outcry' is far more efficient than a boycott; the public outcry and subsequent bad press over the SONY BMG rootkit, from people who were still actively buying SONY products -and- people who had no intention of buying SONY products anyway alike, was enough to have them remove any plans to add it to any new CDs, and even lead to them pulling the existing CDs in some areas, while no formal boycott ever materialized and people are still buying SONY products; just like people are still buying Volgswagens and drool over Bugatti Veyrons.

  2. Advertising by imakemusic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aren't music videos supposed to be promotional material? Kind of like adverts for the albums/singles? Why would anyone NOT want people to see them?

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    1. Re:Advertising by slim · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Aren't music videos supposed to be promotional material? Kind of like adverts for the albums/singles? Why would anyone NOT want people to see them?

      Not quite, not any more.

      There are dozens of video jukebox channels on the TV, supported by ads and premium rate phone calls (for making requests). Many people leave a channel like that on all day, rather than buy music or listen to the radio. Here, the music video is the consumer product, not a promotional item for some other product.

      Having access to any video for free online, undermines that business model.

    2. Re:Advertising by zwei2stein · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, see ... if you WANT to see video again or listen to song again, your option should not be to 'download it and freely listen it forever for free', it should be 'buy it or wait till we toss you another freebie'

      It is attempt to create both artificial rarity and cash on the fact that people actually might be pressed to buy their products if they like it.

      It is not about control - that is just tool. It is about ensuring consumer demand.

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  3. Stick and Carrot by Hasney · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So these artists are saying that now the stick is far larger than the carrot. What carrot? When have we ever been giving an incentive to pay for the music rather than download it, other than guilt?

    I think at this point the stick is just getting larger and pointier and this carrot they may have used at one point has just rotted in the corner.

    1. Re:Stick and Carrot by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh, there's been an incentive to buy music instead of just downloading it. First, you got a good looking CD, with cover, maybe an artbook, lyrics and some other nifty things. People like putting a printed CD into the player and know that it's the "real stuff" instead of slipping a bland, white (or bland shiny) CD in, knowing that it's just one of many thousands they have. There's also that it is/used to be hassle free. Take the CD out of the case, place it in the player, play. No downloading, checking whether the song is ok or whether it's the right one altogether, burn it, check that burning worked out and the cheap CDR didn't crap out on you halfway... And finally the alleged better CD quality, though my dumb ears can't hear any difference anyway.

      What's the incentive today when you get basically the same MP3s? Or CDs that may or may not contain crap that make them unusable in the player of your choice? Not to mention that artbooks or other goodies virtually vanished, replaced by a single sheet of paper so you at least know what CD you actually have in your hands. Which contains maybe 30 minutes of music, if that. All that and less for only 15 bucks.

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  4. Re:I love British humor by Aradiel · · Score: 5, Informative

    Blame Mandelson - he swans off on holiday to Corfu, meets with various people including someone involved in organisations not unlike the MPAA, then suggests this legislation which both artists and the ISPs are strongly opposed to. It seems obvious that if he suceeds it will only please the higher-up executives, and not the people who provide the products involved.

  5. We are doing it for the artists by MosesJones · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can see the Today Programme interview with the PRS (UK RIAA) now

    John Humphries (you have NOTHING like him in the US): So you want people kicked off the internet for downloading copyrighted material. Why?

    PRS: Because copyright theft is simply theft and its illegal and people should be punished accordingly

    JH: But the government says that broadband access is becoming an essential tool in modern society, aren't your punishments a bit draconian?

    PRS: John, These people are stealing literally billions from artists, its a massive industry in the UK that makes a lot of money for this country and these people are ruining it

    JH: So this is about the artists? Not the publishing companies?

    PRS: Absolutely John, these downloaders are just stealing from artists and if this continues there will be no more artists

    JH: If that is the case why do three of the most successful artists in this country's history oppose your plans?

    PRS: Errrr

    JH: I mean if it really was about the artists then surely these people would be all for it. Or is it just about publishing companies that can't be bothered to handle a changing world and just want to dig their heels in and get fat from the restrictive contracts and stifling processes that have got them into this mess?

    PRS: Errrr

    JH: Lets face it you don't care about the artists, you just care about the money and more importantly you care about making money without having to change the way you work. Lots of companies have led the way in legal digital music but the publishing companies have not been amongst them. Isn't this just about old fashioned companies who can't change moaning about new technology and asking the government to bail them out

    PRS: Errrr

    JH: And now for the weather

     

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  6. Public facade? by syousef · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Forgive me but some of the richest artists are putting up token opposition just doesn't impress me. Fo rall I know behind closed doors they're patting the record execs on the back for pushing this legislation through. These are after all people who make their living as much by promoting themselves as celebrities as by making music. Forgive me if I am therefore skeptical.

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  7. Re:I love British humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Blame Mandelson

    That's Sith Lord Mandelson to you, peasant!

  8. A musicians perspective by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've made quite a few tracks for fun... And lately, I've been looking at the possibility to get them on on iTunes, Spotify, etc.

    Here comes the great part: I don't need a label on anything these days. There are already several services that will publish independent music direct to major stores and streaming services without going through a bunch of extra layers.

    So if I ever decide to publish my stuff I can just ignore the (Finnish equivalent of the) RIAA. I'd rather miss out on any money I could get that route than help rob everyone of any more rights.

    Gotta love progress.

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  9. Re:FTFA: Change "The industry continues to look".. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dinosaurs didn't want to die either, but nature doesn't like obsolete designs. And neither does free market, at least usually. Unless such obsolete designs are artificially propped up by legal means.

    The studios were a necessity until about 15 or maybe 20 years ago. First, they were the only ones that could afford the insanely expensive studio equipment. Until the 80s, no "garage band" could afford equipment that allowed them to create even a sensible demo tape. The advance in computers made this no problem anymore. Anyone can today get affordable equipment that allows him to enjoy the same or at least nearly the same level of quality any big studio could offer, provided he has the skill to use it. So what was left after that was their function as the distribution way. No single artist could afford the distribution system a large music corporation can offer. In came the internet, with instant distribution and an easy way to collect payment.

    So, what's currently left is the music studio's edge in PR and marketing. Every other aspect they ever had has been stripped from them and superseded by cheaper means. They may offer it to artists and some artists may opt for it, simply because the studios still have the expertise and often also the better trained personnell, simply by experience, but an artist now has the option to record and publish himselves without having to resort to studios.

    Once marketing is somehow taken from their grasp, they have become utterly useless to the music business.

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