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How Much Is Your Online Identity Worth?

itwbennett writes "Answer a few questions about your personal Internet use, and a new tool from Symantec will calculate your net worth on the black market. You'll get three results: how much your online assets are worth, how much your online identity would sell for on the black market, and your risk of becoming a victim of identity theft. The tool is intended to raise consumer awareness about cybercrime, said Marian Merritt, Internet security advocate for Symantec. It's unlikely the average consumer would read an Internet Security Threat Report, she added, but a simply illustrated example might get the same point across. 'It's shocking how little value criminals place on your credit card,' she said."

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  1. This tool is intended... by BaCkBuRn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... to make more $$ for Norton. When will the shameless plugs ever end?

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    1. Re:This tool is intended... by sopssa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seems its going really bad for Symantec, with all their stupid spammy marketing efforts..

      Just earlier we had this http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/04/1648254/Symantec-Wants-To-Use-Victims-To-Hunt-Computer-Criminals

      So now its not just bloat software, but they're going to spam us with stupid things? Instead of actually doing whats needed, lightweight and protective antivirus?

    2. Re:This tool is intended... by gnick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I really liked about their plug was this (FTA):

      Cybercrime is now larger than the international drug trade...

      I don't have numbers, but my B.S. meter is going off the charts. I humbly request a definition of "bigger". If they mean that more people are affected by cybercrime than are directly involved in the international drug trade, then OK. But if you count even indirect supporters of the drug trade, that falls apart - They claim 10 million people were victims of cybercrime last year - You can't tell me that there are fewer than 10 million people supporting the illegal drug trade right now. No way. Even if they're talking about $$, I still call shenanigans - The drug trade is BIG money. If somebody has numbers contradicting that balance, please share, but that quote reeks of FUD.

      I realize that I'm demanding citations without providing any - It still sounds fishy.

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    3. Re:This tool is intended... by QRDeNameland · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your BS meter appears to be functioning correctly.

      Over eleven years ago (1998), the UN reported that "illegal trade in narcotics has a captive market of about 190 million addicts and users worldwide, and is estimated to be worth more than 400 billion dollars a year". (source)

      "No way" by one or two orders of magnitude, I'd say.

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    4. Re:This tool is intended... by yuna49 · · Score: 4, Informative

      This idiocy seems to trace back to a woman who once worked for the Treasury Department and made this claim to a Reuters correspondent at a conference in Riyadh in 2005.

      http://threatchaos.com/2009/03/evolution-of-the-cyber-crime-exceeds-drug-trade-meme/
      http://blogs.zdnet.com/threatchaos/?p=480

      In its PR release, Symantec justifies this claim with a footnote to "Source: US Department of Treasury."

    5. Re:This tool is intended... by Shotgun · · Score: 4, Funny

      What I really liked about their plug was this (FTA):

      Cybercrime is now larger than the international drug trade...

      I don't have numbers, but my B.S. meter is going off the charts. I humbly request a definition of "bigger".

      What they mean is that they weighed people affected by identity theft and those affected by drug crimes. Have you seen the state of crack or meth addicts lately? Those guys don't weigh nuthin', compared to the pizza eating geeks getting ripped off on the net.

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    6. Re:This tool is intended... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have two different opinions on this. Yeah, it would be great if Symantec would sell it's top-tier security products to the public at affordable prices. I've only heard good things about it's enterprise software. The far less effective "solutions" that they sell to John Q. Public helps to ensure that malware writers can find a way to bypass security.

      BUT - the real question should be, "When is Microsoft going to REPAIR THEIR BROKEN SECURITY MODEL?"

      Yes, security is getting better with MS products. But, everything comes back to the fact that MS is designed more for convenience than for security.

      Why am I even bothering, though? If people take security seriously, they generally move to a unix-like system. If they don't take security as seriously as they take marketability and convenience, they stay with Windows. And, the world suffers losses to criminals all day, every day.

      Phhht. The fact is, few people really care if their identity is stolen. Their actions prove it.

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  2. Not working for me. by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Funny

    I used this tool, but it didn't turn out so well. The first question was, "To calculate your worth, please provide your SSN and online banking username and password." Unfortunately, when I clicked "Next", it's lagging and I can't get through to the next part...

    1. Re:Not working for me. by Sl4shd0t0rg · · Score: 2, Funny

      This post should be rated funny, not informative. The tool, while pretty lame, never asks for SSN or banking info.

    2. Re:Not working for me. by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny as your comment was intended, I stopped the questionary when it asked how much my total bank accounts were worth.

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  3. Pfft! No problem... by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thanks to a messy divorce 4 years ago, my credit rating probably still sucks to the point that even an ID thief would be ashamed to use it.

    Go ahead, try and get a credit card with it - you'll hear laughter that would compete with an insane asylum on Bath Day...

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    1. Re:Pfft! No problem... by anglico · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm in the same boat you're in, I always joke with my friends that if they did steal my identity they would probably feel sorry for me and actually deposit money in my accounts.

  4. Worthless... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Funny

    Symantec will calculate your net worth on the black market

    I went there and it told me I owed it money...

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  5. Slashvertising at its best. by jittles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This tool is nothing but a giant slashvertisement, though I suppose that should be obvious. It was a complete waste of time. Oh and I'm worth $31 online if anyone wants to buy me ;o)

    1. Re:Slashvertising at its best. by InlawBiker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm beginning to wonder if Slashdot shouldn't tag stories as "paid placements." This is a ridiculously obvious marketing piece.

    2. Re:Slashvertising at its best. by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh and I'm worth $31 online if anyone wants to buy me ;o)

      You'd better be a damned good looking female, I never paid more than $30 and she had to be pretty hot for that kind of money ;)

  6. For some reason I do not trust.. by scsirob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    .. articles that use links to "everyclickmatters.com" and such.

    Maybe using this tool is not such a smart idea?!?

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    1. Re:For some reason I do not trust.. by rhsanborn · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's on their front page. It's called "Deny Digital Dangers". It links to every click matters.

  7. Now I can look up.... by nettamere · · Score: 2, Insightful

    how much those black market names I was about to buy are really worth. Fantastic!

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  8. Not an advertisement, no way by BertieBaggio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gotta love leading questions:

    Do you currently have a complete security software solution that includes spyware protection, antiphishing technology and a two-way firewall (BUY CO- ER, NORTON®!) installed on the personal computer you use most often?

    Yeah, it's just a tool to raise awareness (BUY NORTON®!), indeed. Just a natural question, placed at the top of a page and taking up a lot of eye-space. It helps determine if we should give you the sales routine. No, it helps determine if how much a criminal would value your identity. No, uh... what were we trying to do again?

    However, on a brighter note: I guessed a criminal could buy me, er... buy my online digital e-identity (or whatever they call it) for $20. They say I could go for as little as $11.29. Obviously I didn't take bartering into account.

    PS: BUY NORTON®!

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  9. Online Banking is the DEVIL! by Strike+Fiss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Do you pay bills online? No? Can you VIEW bills online? No? Well...then that just means the hackers will try harder! BUY NORTON NOW!!!"

    Brilliant marketing. It's a shame this power can't be harnessed for good.

  10. This is advertising FUD, not a useful tool by petes_PoV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Norton Online Risk Calculator, unveiled within a microsite to coincide with the launch of Norton 2010,

    All it does is make people anxious about unmeasurable quantities of unknown worth, arbitrarily estimated in an obscure manner with no basis in fact or reality. Treat it like astrology not security.

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    1. Re:This is advertising FUD, not a useful tool by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      arbitrarily estimated in an obscure manner with no basis in fact or reality. Treat it like astrology not security.

      You meant 'economics', not 'astrology', right?

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  11. Finally an independant price point tool! by burtosis · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was totally overpaying for all that black market info. I went to my dealer and showed him the link, now I save 30%! Thanks Geik^H^H^H^H Symantec!

    1. Re:Finally an independant price point tool! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm a Cavem^H^H^H^H^H basement dweller you insensitive clod

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  12. WTF are those buttons... by robot256 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It was humorous up until the last page, where it said, "Your entire digital life could go up for auction for as little as $21.39" and then had two big buttons, ALLOW and DENY. Are they ASKING if you want to auction your identity on the black market? And who in their right mind would click on either one of them? Very suspicious, but obviously just an advertisement for Symantec's crappy products. Long live ES-ET for actual bloat-free protection.

  13. It's shocking how little... by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The writer understands anything.

    IT IS GOOD THAT CRIMINALS DO NOT PLACE A HIGH VALUE ON OUR CREDIT CARD INFORMATION.

    That basically means that the info is not all that dangerous. It means criminals are afraid of getting caught if they use it, so why spend all that much for it. If the criminals were sure they could get away with it and all they needed was the info, that information would go for a lot higher.

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    1. Re:It's shocking how little... by plague3106 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Er, no, its because there's plenty of supply, and its rather low risk to obtain a CC number. This is why coke or pot is so expensive, the supply is not up with demand, and its fairly high risk to produce and sell the drugs.

  14. Re:Worth by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm still waiting for TFA to load, but TFS doesn't sound much like the headline.

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    Ok, it loaded. It doesn't say much more than TFS. But I think its "online identity" thing is misleading; they're not talking about "mcgrew", they're talking about "McGrew"; in other words, your OFFLINE identity. After all, you don't log into your bank with a pseudonym.

    I couldn't get the risk assessment tool to load at all. Since I don't do any business on the internet (I even used a paper check mailed to Canada for my domain when I had a web site) I don't think I'm at much risk at all. I'm more at risk of somebody going through my trash.

  15. Can I use this to earn money? by petes_PoV · · Score: 5, Interesting
    By making up online personas and then selling them? Norton reckoned my online worth was $32 - just by clicking on my age range and taking all the other default values. That's about $32 for 30 seconds work. I could do that for a living. It's just a pity that Norton haven't taken this to it's logical conclusion and offered to join up people with onlibe identities and the (other) people who would pay for them.

    Of course, if they did, they'd find that:

    * there was almost no-one willing to pay for this

    * they would pay nothing like the Norton valuation

    and therefore expose the complete and utter BULL behind this mind-numbingly DUMB idea. I'd even be happy for Norton to take a 10% finders fee - I'd still make a pile.

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    1. Re:Can I use this to earn money? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or maybe you could just call it Facebook.

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  16. Re:CC # Worth? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny

    'It's shocking how little value criminals place on your credit card,' she said."

    No, if it were worth more, there'd be more value in stealing it. You want its value to a criminal to be zero, the chance of being caught to be infinite, or both.

    Actually a chance of 100% is absolutely sufficient.

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  17. Is it $0.43 or $100? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Informative
    I filled out the questions and got this at the end

    ...you guessed that a cybercriminal could buy you for $1.00. In the underground economy, you're really worth about $100.00. And that's on a good day. Your entire digital life could go on the auction block for as little as $0.43...

    So is my information worth $100.00 or is it worth $0.43? It doesn't seem like they have a clue, but then this is Symantec we are talking about, so I guess we already knew that.

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    1. Re:Is it $0.43 or $100? by rhsanborn · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It means the criminal would expect to get about $100.00 out of your identity, but they won't pay $100.00 to try and get that value. They have a significant risk, including many identities that just don't work out, and the risk of getting caught. So, they'll only buy the opportunity to use that identity for $0.43.

  18. A Marketing Ploy, me thinks by realsilly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree it's important to understand how to keep your information protected, but this sounds like the newest method of selling you the latest and greatest upgrades to Symantec's software. We have seen scare tactics in the News media to get you to watch their stations for the news and weather by over-sensationalizing the headlines or the topics to be covered.

    Just the other day, the news eluded to the next hurricane that formed with this dire sounding report about keeping you informed. What the news failed to mention was that the particular storm was just off the coast of Africa and it's path was keeping it in the ocean off the coast of Africa.

    It's not that I don't believe Symantec isn't touching upon an important topic, it's just the method by which they are choosing to report the data to the consumer.

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  19. Re:How much? They'll tell you how much. by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This was just a way to sell their software. When I said I had a "security suite" to protect my accounts they rated me as "low risk" but when I changed the answer to "no security" than they rated me high. I'm surprised they didn't have an instant popup to sell me their program.

    This is just like the insurance companies who make it sound you'll be run-over by a car or hit by a falling ladder, as soon as you step outside your home. Exaggerating a person's risk is a scam to get your money. That's all it is. "Oh yeah you need to buy this, else you will be SCREWED!!! Hahaha." "OMG I'll take it!" "A wise decision madam."

    Ch-ching.

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  20. Re:Symantec by houghi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If Symantec sold a good cheap shredder, or sold carry-to-table card readers to restaurants, then I'd give a fuck.

    I used to work in a restaurant and we had a carry-to-table card reader. One of the waiters still was able to do a double swipe with many of them. Took about a month before we realized he was doing it.

    My idiotic boss decided not to press charges against the thieving bastard and just cut his losses and pay the customers back. Idiots. Both of them.

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  21. Re:What's it doing during the download? by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Funny

    Must be cloud based. Talking to servers on the clouds takes a lot longer, as clouds are farther away than earth-based servers.

  22. Re:What's it doing during the download? by Tha_Big_Guy23 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you fill out the quiz, and at the end, you elect not to protect yourself, you get to watch a video. At the end of that video if you choose not to protect yourself, you get another video, and yet another follows that. That, is what it's doing in the background. Downloading video. Personally, the Shopping Network video scared me.

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  23. FUD by gavron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Telling me how much I'm worth on the black market of identity theft begs the question of whether HOW SECURE AM I FROM IDENTITY THEFT and does nothing more than add FUD to the identity theft discussion.

    If you don't want your identity stolen, the right way to do that is to PREVENT YOUR IDENTITY FROM BEING STOLEN, not buy more software that may or may not patch more holes in the software you already have.

    Social networking sites aren't the problem. People who freely give out confidential information are the problem.
    Your computer isn't the problem. How you use it to make it easy for others to take your confidential information is the problem.

    Norton can't fix all the malware problems, and they can only do so AFTER they see the malware (either in concept or in the wild). Too often that's many many days after the problem is already too late. Their suggestions to use firewalls do nothing to prevent spyware installed through any number of known windows/adobe/vendor-of-the-day-hole from stealing your data in real time and delivering it where it will be used immediately to drain your accounts.

    Use linux. Use FireFox. Use anonymizers. Don't store passwords anywhere other than your head.
    Don't use Windows. Don't use Internet Explorer or Outlook. Don't keep all your passwords in the browser.

    Here's an excellent example of a "strong password checker" that is in fact TERRIBLE: http://www.microsoft.com/protect/yourself/password/checker.mspx
    Hint: try aaaaaa$A There are two problems with this "strong password checker". The first is it assumes a password CANNOT be strong unless it has elements of letters, numbers, and either special characters or uppercase letters. The second is it assumes that at 8 characters a password containing members of those sets is strong, and that at 14 characters it is "the best". This implies that aaaaaaaaaaaa$A is a stronger password than "You'llneverguessmypassphrasebutI'llrememberit!"

    Norton needs FUD so they can sell more of their products.

    We as /. readers don't like FUD. Not from SCO, not from MS, ...and not from Norton.

    Stop the FUD when you see it.

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  24. OMG by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am so scared now I was asked a whole bunch of questions about how every single person in the world uses the internet, from online banking to facebook, and now Symantec has told me I'm a MEDIUM risk and criminals are out to get me!!!!!!!!!

    I guess I should buy their software right away! SAVE ME SYMANTEC, SAVE ME!!!!

    Oh, wait - the cost of their subscription fee over 10 years is less than what they say I am "worth". Or are they the criminals telling me what I'm worth to them? I'm so confused now...

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