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Japan's Cell Phones May Get DRM, At Music Industry Behest

An anonymous reader writes "The Japanese Music Industry is currently in talks with Japanese cell phone providers to introduce a new anti-piracy system in all cell phones in Japan. This new system would make DRM software mandatory in all cell phones; this would connect to a DRM server on the Internet whenever the cell phone user would try to play a song. The song would only play if the response of the server would be positive. Otherwise no song would be played. The system raises several questions and concerns that the Financial Times article did not address. These include ripped legally bought music and music that has been released under a CC license or similar. Who would pay for the costs of the DRM checks, and what would happen if no connection could be established?"

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  1. user would pay for all costs by postmortem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you think that some global company would rather "decrease their profits and shareholder value"?

    1. Re:user would pay for all costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      didn't get to read the article because it requires a fucking registration and I'm unwilling to register just to read this tripe, but how would a system like this even work? If I load a ripped mp3 file onto the phone (or a free song or even an original song I just recorded), it will not have a hash or checksum that matches anything in their database. are they just going to check the name of the file to see if it matches a song I have purchased from them? isn't that ridiculously anticompetitive because it would force me to buy all of my songs from this one vendor that keeps records of what songs I am allowed to play? besides that, wouldn't it be easy to bypass? or maybe it will just refuse to play any unrecognized media file. wtf? what a USELESS, IDIOTIC system that will end up costing its users even more for a reduction in functionality.

  2. Yet Another Sky Is Falling by mr_stinky_britches · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Defective by design, as usual. I'm sure firmware hacks/mods will be created if this were to be implemented on a wide scale. No worries, really.

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    1. Re:Yet Another Sky Is Falling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, not really, most people don't want to deal with hacking their phone... but then again most people with music on thier phone in Japan bought it over-the-air anyway, since the interface to the computer isn't usually all that convenient and most people don't have computers.

      On the other hand, and people with computers and/or a lot of music probably already have iPods (or similar), so they won't much care.

      As far as passing costs onto consumers, sure, they can raise the prices, but demand will fall, meaning it will cost the phone companies.. which gives them an incentive to resist it.

    2. Re:Yet Another Sky Is Falling by Cheesetrap · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At first I thought, "No, wait, maybe he's talking about computer ownership in Japan..." but I see that's not statistically different from US/Aus either:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users (there's no direct computer ownership listing)

      On a side note, there are certainly several countries where many people who have access to computers and the net don't have their OWN computers; making use of large 'net cafe' industries instead - Brazil, Portugal and the Phillipines, for instance. This would play havoc with the idea of restricting the syncing of ONE device to only ONE computer, and requiring a device to be wiped if it syncs with another comp, a la Apple.

    3. Re:Yet Another Sky Is Falling by GauteL · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I live in Portugal and never heard of a "large "net cafe" industry around here. Most people access net from home, school or the office.

      He's probably thinking as a tourist. All tourist places tend to have plenty of net cafes. Not to cater for locals, but to cater for the tourists.

      When I last visited a tourist trap in Portugal, there was plenty of net cafes there, but they are probably very rare outside the tourist areas.

    4. Re:Yet Another Sky Is Falling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, for most of the 1990s/early 2000s, personal computers took a distant second to mobile phones/PDAs in Japan for personal internet access. The degree of dominance changed while I was living there, but as late as 2007, most people people were still using their mobiles/cells for SMS/text messaging, email, and searching for information. It was just a very different set of expectations about what form data needed to be in to move to/from individuals.

      Most net cafes in Japan evolved from "manga-kissa": cafes where people could get a drink and read magazines in a semi-secluded booth for a bit. Rather than a single room with 15-40 PCs wedged into it, net cafes in larger cities in Japan have evolved into places where a person can rent a little bit of privacy with added amenities. It's not uncommon for people to pay JPY1500 for a package that allows them to stay from 11PM to 6AM in a cubicle with access to magazines, comics, PS2/3 games, DVDs, a net-connected PC, reclining office chair, and access to a shower. But for a lot of people the net access is far less important than the chance to sit down in a little bit of privacy, and maybe get cleaned up before they go back to the outside world.

      Aaaaaanyway, the point is that different people have different expectations of how tech and data should be presented, interacted with and controlled.

  3. Good Lord! by chef_raekwon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the skillz market for hacking phones just went up again. when will these music industries/RIAJ/RIAA/etc ever learn from Amazon/Ebay/etc? Its all about customer experience. This may be the same reason why top100 music generally licks balls.
    my 2 cents.

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    1. Re:Good Lord! by tpgp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the skillz market for hacking phones just went up again. when will these music industries/RIAJ/RIAA/etc ever learn from Amazon/Ebay/etc? Its all about customer experience. This may be the same reason why top100 music generally licks balls.

      Ebay and Customer service in the same paragraph? Incorrect..

      Ebay and generally licks balls in the same paragraph? Correct.

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    2. Re:Good Lord! by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 5, Funny

      When a comment on slashdot contains the words top100 licks balls and gets a 5 - insightful rating, you know that the RIAA painted itself into a corner that may never dry off again.

    3. Re:Good Lord! by roguetrick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That or Slashdot articles are an echo chamber of similarly minded individuals and people read, comment, and moderate articles that inflame them.

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  4. The blowback from this wouldn't be good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the DRM system checks all songs against a server, regardless of origin, people will just end up using previous generation phones, or paying for a third party for a custom flash ROM to bypass this.

    If the DRM system only checks flagged songs, I'm sure another black market will pop up allowing songs to be downloaded from somewhere, likely offshore.

    Either way, Japan's analog of the RIAA loses long term for gains made in the short term. One can watch the lessons of DRM in the US, from the SDMI specs to FairPlay, to Apple just chucking DRM altogether to see what potholes are in store.

  5. No connection? by fucket · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What if you're on the subway and you want to play a song? You know, like 75% of all people do everyday on their way to and from work.

    1. Re:No connection? by KamuZ · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not true. In the subway you lose the signal between stations.

    2. Re:No connection? by chetbox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What if you're on a plane? There's no coverage there and it's one of the places I'm most likely to want to listen to my music.

    3. Re:No connection? by dintech · · Score: 4, Funny

      Forget about no coverage, usually snakes are more of problem.

  6. Re:No effect whatsoever by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The technology will go into place, be pretty much invisible, and provide enough benefits for legitimate users that no one will cry except for people who aren't connected in any way to Japan.

    In what way will this provide _ANY_ benefit to legitimate users? They can already play their music, so they will see no benefit from having to 'phone home' to verify that they can, and will see significant risks of being incorrectly refused the right to play music they've been given or paid for.

    Users can only suffer from this nonsense, because they can only be denied the right to do what they've been doing up until now.

  7. Re:No effect whatsoever by ragethehotey · · Score: 3, Funny

    In what way will this provide _ANY_ benefit to legitimate users?

    More music sellers will be willing to provide music through such a system, making the available amount of music larger as a whole. (Kinda like how the vast majority of legitimate paying mobile application developers have flocked to the iphone, where the largest successful DRM implementation is)

    I'm not saying I at all agree with this plan, i'm simply answering your question.

  8. Will all audio be screened? by raju1kabir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What if I record something myself using the "voice recorder" function and want to play it? Will that have to be run by the RIAA first? Will I be forbidden from exchanging my own recordings (of my baby laughing or whatever) with my friends?

    If not, then surely someone will make a simple scrubber app that makes an MP3 look to the phone like a user-recorded sound.

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    1. Re:Will all audio be screened? by raju1kabir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No one needs to hear your baby laughing.

      My intention was to come up with an example in which there was no conceivable argument of corporate copyright interest. I should have thought that would be obvious given the context.

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  9. You know the answer by acehole · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Who would pay for the costs of the DRM checks, and what would happen if no connection could be established?"

    If anything the last decade has taught us about the modus operandi of music industries is that they simply dont care and want their dollars. Who would pick up the tab for the check? The phone user. What would happen if there was no connection? No music.

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    1. Re:You know the answer by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're contractually obliged to provide the service I pay for

      You really didn't read that contract, did you?

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  10. Re:No effect whatsoever by socceroos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bullcrap. Your premise is all up the creek. Telecom companies are not going to upgrade their infrastructure just because the music industry wants DRM everywhere. This has never happened in the past and it will not happen in the future. You're basically saying that the only reason that Telecoms are going to upgrade their networks is because they have deliberately increased the traffic themselves, not because of demand?!?!?

    If this technology is getting implemented invisibly then why did it make front page news on slashdot?? Phail. Not even Echelon has been implemented invisibly.

    Are you really telling us that because some people download pirated material we are not going to get any service upgrades? If not then why do you equate having phones without DRM with a free life in squalor?

    Lastly, why on earth do you think that this isn't going to cause problems? DRM has caused major disruptions everywhere else it has been implemented. Do you think the Japs have the miracle fix for DRM that the rest of the world has been missing?

  11. will fail by xigxag · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All these hypothetical examples are beside the point. If the music industry wants this implemented, it will likely happen.

    But even so, it won't work. Japan's music industry is even more moribund than the US industry. It got fat and comfortable charging for singles the equivalent of what US consumers charge for albums, and for albums, the equivalent of US$30 or more. Meanwhile it pushes the same arthritic set of superstars that have dominated their pop scene for 10, 15, 20 years or more. The end result is that the cost of entry for unknown acts is too high, new music suffers. Japanese consumers have grown accustomed to buying albums used and ripping them. Locking mobiles will just increase the sales of walkmans and ipods and will make it more of a no-brainer to circumvent DRM'ed music.

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  12. This is ridiculous by Blue_Wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I't not just the legally purchased music that I can legally put on my ipod now - and will likely want to put on my new phone to minimise the number of devices I carry. Bad though that is, this is much nastier. For instance, one of my friends plays in an amateur band. He gives us MP3s of their material - in fact the 10 or so of us that get given this are probably the entirety of their regular audience. They do it for love and the delight that people are listening to their stuff - for the same reason they put cliups on youtube. Under this silly scheme, even the copyright owner couldn't listen to their own stuff on their own phone!

  13. JASRAC Strikes Again... by Xin+Jing · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember living in Okinawa back in 1993, JASRAC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JASRAC cracked down (and again in 2006) on club owners that played pre-recorded music at bars and nightclubs and profited by selling drinks and food to customers. Some clubs faced retroactive fines in the tens of thousands of Yen and were forced to close down. Just outside the gate near Kadena was the 'A-Sign Sound Bar' that used to play requests, the entire side of an album, man those were good times. Ah, the good old days: Okinawa and lots of Orion beer.

    1. Re:JASRAC Strikes Again... by rabiddeity · · Score: 4, Informative

      Some clubs faced retroactive fines in the tens of thousands of Yen and were forced to close down.

      Don't mean to break your stride, but you do realize that ten thousand yen is less than US$100, right?

  14. iPhone influence? by gashwrecker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This may be a response to the growing popularity of the iPhone in Japan. There's an increasing number of people who download mp3s or buy DRM-free music from sites like http://www.hearjapan.com/, and this is cutting into the profitable cell phone mp3 market.

  15. Re:I hope the Music industry pays the connection c by gsslay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you are translating into English, you use an English word your readers will understand.

    What a depressing pandering to ignorance. What's wrong finding out who is involved and what they are? You know, actually stepping outside your insular little bubble and learning something new? Pinning this on the usual boogeyman is just lazy and dishonest.

    By your logic, when the Japanese Prime Minister does something Slashdot readers should be told in translation what "Barack Obama" is up to in Japan. After all, who knows or recognises Taro Aso? Who cares they are completely different people?

    Why stop there? I'm not sure about this "Japan", best translate it as "Hawaii".

  16. this is only the start by Wierdy1024 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is just so they can get the infrastructure in place for per-play or per-minute music charging. It would be trivial to hook this server up to the phone companies billing system to bill users every time they played a song.

    The next step is then to provide addons to contracts offering "unlimited" songs, for only an additional $15 per month...

  17. Re:I hope the Music industry pays the connection c by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >Japan. Recording Industry Association of *America*.

    Same arseholes, different toilet.

    We still get shat upon.

    Questions?

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