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Gene Therapy Cures Color-Blind Monkeys

SpuriousLogic writes "After receiving injections of genes that produce color-detecting proteins, two color-blind monkeys have seen red and green for the first time. Except in its extreme forms, color blindness isn't a debilitating condition, but it's a convenient stand-in for other types of blindness that might be treated with gene therapy. The monkey success raises the possibility of reversing those diseases, in a manner that most scientists considered impossible. 'We said it was possible to give an adult monkey with a model of human red-green color blindness the retina of a person with normal color vision. Every single person I talked to said, absolutely not,' said study co-author Jay Neitz, a University of Washington ophthalmologist. 'And almost every unsolved vision defect out there has this component in one way or another, where the ability to translate light into a gene signal is involved.' The full-spectrum supplementation of the squirrel monkeys' sight, described Wednesday in Nature, comes just less than a year after researchers used gene therapy to restore light perception in people afflicted by Leber Congenital Amaurosis, a rare and untreatable form of blindness."

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  1. Colors - for the first time by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Upon seeing the new colors, the monkeys also made the signs for "far out" and "trippy, dude".

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    1. Re:Colors - for the first time by MarkRose · · Score: 3, Funny

      Given those results, I say we give the human trials a green light!

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    2. Re:Colors - for the first time by feepness · · Score: 2, Funny

      Given those results, I say we give the human trials a green light!

      Just make sure the people running it aren't red/green colorblind.

  2. Re:biotech rocks by overbaud · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not as much as geology rocks...

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  3. This is great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now all those poor monkeys will finally be able to get unrestricted pilot licenses!

  4. Next step: Tetrachromatism by Gizzmonic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What about those crazy women with 4 color receptors. They are real life mutants! Are we going to get some gene therapy like that? I want 2 receptors for green! I'll be like a human HDTV! In fact, that will be my crimefighting name: The Human HDTV! I fight crime in 1080i! (it would be in 1080p but that's as high as my TV goes)

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    1. Re:Next step: Tetrachromatism by 1+a+bee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why not go infra-red? From the article..

      Williams, however, was quicker to speculate. âoeUltimately we might be able to do all kinds of interesting manipulations of the retina,â he said. âoeNot only might we be able to cure disease, but we might engineer eyes with remarkable capabilities. You can imagine conferring enhanced night vision in normal eyes, or engineering genes that make photopigments with spectral properties for whatever you want your eye to see.â

      âoeThis study makes that kind of science fiction future a distinct possibility, as opposed to a fantasy,â continued Williams.

      Aye. A story deserving of being /.

    2. Re:Next step: Tetrachromatism by keeboo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about those crazy women with 4 color receptors [tomes.biz]. They are real life mutants! Are we going to get some gene therapy like that?

      I'm not sure I would want that.
      All color movies and photographs up now are recorded for a audience of tricromats. Watching movies, seeing your family pictures, browsing the internet etc would probably look poor to tetracromats.

    3. Re:Next step: Tetrachromatism by Trahloc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That was the first thing I thought of as well. If they can bring a sub-par eye up to normal levels then I can't wait until we can add infravision 60'

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    4. Re:Next step: Tetrachromatism by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Informative

      > So? Glasses to filter out all but visible light (today's visible light) should be trivial. Just like those blue & red 3D glasses.

      Women believed to be tetrachromatic don't see light trichromats can't see... they recognize two variants of "green" as being different, the same way green and red are different to you. If you were genuinely tetrachromatic in the sense the women are believed to be, TV, film, photographs, and printed images would almost ALWAYS look like shit to you, because the "green" would be "wrong" in ways you couldn't really explain.

      Here's an example: suppose you were a trichromat, living in a world where 94% of the population couldn't distinguish between red and green, and for all intents and purposes "yellow" was just a darker or brighter shade of red/green. Color film wouldn't be based on red, green, and blue... it would be based on blue and yellow. Your RGB monitor would be a BY monitor. To everyone else, the whole idea of "RGB" would be silly, because they could get the exact same image quality from just blue and yellow. You'd be the unfortunate person who kept babbling about there being a difference between "red" and "green", and that they were somehow different from the color everyone else knew as "yellow". Anyway, getting back to the example, a tetrachromatic woman wouldn't want RGB... she'd want RGgB, where "G" and "g" were slightly different frequencies of green. An RGB monitor to a tetrachromat would look just as artificial, fake, and bad as a Blue-Yellow monitor designed for deutranopes and protanopes would to you.

    5. Re:Next step: Tetrachromatism by Miamicanes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > First of all, do you think tetrachromats know they perceive colors differently?

      Actually, yes. I read about an interview with a British woman who's believed to be a genuine tetrachromat. One thing that came up was the fact that color photographs and TV never look "right" to her. Prior to learning about tetrachromaticy, she always just thought she was "picky".

      The 20-bit example is a good one. I'm actually trichromanomalous. In terms that make sense to most Slashdotters, most people with statistically normal color perception have roughly 17-bit green, 16-bit red, and 15-bit blue fidelity. I'm missing a red bit. The result is that I made it to my mid-20s before ever finding out there was officially anything wrong. Up to then, I just thought I had bad taste in colors. It turns out, my taste is as good as everyone else's... there's just a slightly wider range of reds that I think look good with a given mixture of blue and green than most. If I take a Munsell color test (the one where you have little cylinders that vary by a subtle fraction of a shade and have to be quickly arranged without scrutiny), I screw up the last two in the red-green series about 50% of the time... they both look like grayish peachy-beige. It happens because the frequency of my main red peak is slightly higher (and closer to my green peak) than 99.9% of the population's. In other words, I'm part of the group that's worse than 99.9%, but within the best 99.99%.

      I'll never mistake a red traffic light for a green one, but I'm paralyzed with fear anytime I have to make decisions about color. The hardest part about remodeling my living room wasn't replacing the drywall, rewiring the entertainment wiring, or the custom moulding... it was picking the damn shades of off-white for the walls, ceiling, and trim. I agonized over it for weeks, driven by mortal fear that I'd accidentally pick a subtly brownish-beige that was too pink, or a subtly creamy-white that was too green. For subtly-anomalous trichromats, beige is a deadly minefield of potential embarrassments.

  5. Programming Implications by ignavus · · Score: 2, Funny

    This definitely has programming implications for me. If you ever have had to design web pages for a superior with color blindness, and they insist on choosing or refusing the colors you want to use, you know the programming problems that color blindness can cause.

    "This page looks best after gene therapy" - hmm, I like it.

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  6. Cerebral achromatopsia by mindbrane · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cerebral achromatopsia will give you a different take on colour blindness as a result of brain damage. Localized brain damage can drain all the colour from your world and leave you in a world of the grey hued zombies. What we tend to think of as our vision isn't just a straight run from the retina back to the occipital lobe, and, much of what we think of a vision is a complex production of various brain modules.

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    1. Re:Cerebral achromatopsia by sumthinboutjesus · · Score: 2, Informative

      To summarize for those who don't want to wade through the wikipedia article, achromatopsia is color blindness resulting from damage to the cortex, the outer layer of the cells in the brain that are generally responsible for all the higher-order processing of the sensory information our nervous system collects. Essentially, this means that your eyes are still functioning normally, but your brain is no longer able to interpret the signals properly; this is normally due to brain damage as result of loss of blood flow, often from a traumatic injury or stroke etc, although there are many other causes, some of which are unknown (idiopathic). This is certainly a different cause of color blindness, but I'm unsure as of why it's being discussed here because the treatments talked about in the article would only correct defects on the functional components of the eye. Correcting a problem in the cortex through a medical treatment is something that is most likely a good ways into the future; it's much more likely that your brain will spontaneously reroute the functional processing to a different undamaged part of the cortex and as a result recover full or partial color vision. If that doesn't happen, which often it doesn't, then it's unlikely that the problem will be fixed.

    2. Re:Cerebral achromatopsia by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is so cool. I love that some people don't even realize they're seeing grey. They can still name colors perfectly fine (they can pick out the "blue flavored" gatorates in the supermarket at a glance), but they don't have the experience of color available to their consciousness. This sort of deconstruction of consciousness's functions is, IMO, the strongest evidence against Cartesian dualism.

      This reminds me of an experiment Bill Nye did. He wore a pair of goggles that flipped his vision upside-down. After a few days (I think) of headaches he completely got used to it and was able to function normally with it upside down. I think I remember him saying that it didn't seem upside down to him, and when they took off the goggles at the end the world seemed upside down again. The really fascinating part was that there wasn't a moment of "flipping" during the experiment: the upside-down image became his expected norm. In other words, the optic nerves don't correspond directly to some raster format where they're tied directly into our Video In consciousness jack. They're interpreted as needed and presented to our consciousness experience post-processing.

      And the simple experiment didn't prove this but I suspect that there's no relative relation between optic nerves either. Like they're just haphazardly bundled together and shipped off to the brain, and the brain's processing adaptively grows to sort and make sense of the random signals. So I suspect that if you sever the optic nerve and connect the nerves randomly your brain will eventually be able to just interpret the new signals as the norm like Bill Nye did.

      The reason I suspect that is because of the really cool electronic sensing technology that's been developed in the last few decades. I think I've read something like they can just send signals into nerves (obviously with sensible modulation/frequency/amplitude) and make the signals vary in some way based on the external world and after awhile patients are able to sense it naturally. Like audio signals to the eardrums and such.

      Oh yeah I found it. This. By just shocking areas of the tongue a blind patient can develop a kind of sight. If the top left pixel is dark you shock the top left area, etc. Again, I think that you could completely mix up all of the inputs and after awhile it would be perfectly natural.

      Think of feeling with your hand. A priori you have no idea which nerves in that thick bundle of nerves correspond to a particular finger. But by observing and noticing that when you twitch a certain way a particular finger moves and when you touch something you get an input only on particular nerves you eventually build up an intuitive grasp of which nerve is which (handled transparently of course). The problem is complex and we see side effects all the time. I'm sure everyone's had the experience of being in a weird position with their arms or legs twisted up and you can't really tell which limb is which. You may experimentally try to move a particualar leg that you see and move the wrong one!

      This whole field is fascinating

    3. Re:Cerebral achromatopsia by rgspb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I always find it interesting how some color-blind people know that they don't see a color the same way a non color-blind person does. There have been quite a few posts here stating how they see the color and then describing what the non color-blind person sees. I'm color-blind (red/green) and don't have any idea I'm seeing something different until someone brings it up. I didn't know peanut butter was NOT red until I was 30. It's how I always saw it and since normally the color of peanut butter is not a topic of discussion it just never came up. (it finally came up in a radio commercial. the kid asks mom "why is peanut butter brown"? I looked at my friend and said "what a dumb question, everybody knows peanut butter is red"!) So I have no idea how someone else sees the color of peanut butter. For me, part of it is a learned thing. Grass is green, everybody knows that, so my mind sees green, but my eyes see brown. It's like a picture of a frog, like a cartoon picture. The assumption for me is that it would be green, because cartoon frogs (not just Kermit) are usually green. So I would see the brown frog but say it is green unless I'm not thinking. Some have asked me if I color-blind with red/green then why did I think peanut butter was red. Because it LOOKS red. I can see red and green, but they don't always come across as red or green. Then you get into all the shades. Pink is a tough one for me, sometimes I don't see the pink at all and other times it looks grey or silver (think pink car). Dark colors are worse for me, I don't even try to separate my own socks. I'm not real sure I'd want to see normal colors at this point anyway, wouldn't I have to learn my colors all over again? Wouldn't I see non-problem colors differently too? I did try one of the red contacts on a few years ago and that's what happened. While my problem colors were improved, my non-problem colors were hurt. I think I'll just pass on the eye injections!

    4. Re:Cerebral achromatopsia by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "That is so cool. I love that some people don't even realize they're seeing grey."

      I really don't think that you've read enough, or else that you have failed to understand what you have read.

      I have both red and green color deficiency. My world is not gray. I see gray, as a distinct color, and I can see many shades of grey.

      Instead of seeing gray where you see a shade of green, I see green. I am unable to distinguish very many shades of green - they sort of blend together. Where you might see 12 different colors in the grass, I may see one or two, but, it's all green. No gray, just green.

      Early to middle spring is an awesome time for me, especially on a brightly lit day right after a rain. I look into the forest, and I can see a variety of colors that are visible to me at no other time. The different species of trees actually look DIFFERENT. There is no way in hell that I can name the colors, I can't describe them, but the forest actually looks green and alive, as it does at no other time. I suppose that it is entirely due to water droplets diffracting the light bouncing off the trees. But, again, as the light fades, or as the water dries off the vegetation, the leaves don't gray out for me - they just become a more uniform, more dull "green".

      Red is very similar, but the effects are much less noticeable - probably because there is no place in nature that red just overwhelms everything else. Maroon and related colors tend to fade toward black for me, unless brightly lit.

      Oddly though, I am unable to pick a bright red flower out of a field of green. That was one of the first hints that I was "color blind" as a child. Mother and I would be riding along, she says, "Oh, what beautiful roses!" and point. I would search and search, and never find that stupid rose bush.

      Again - there was no gray spot in the field of green - those little red spots just blended into green.

      Bahhh - I know that I've failed to explain what I see. Some day, you try explaining color to someone who has been blind from birth. You'll get the idea.

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    5. Re:Cerebral achromatopsia by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One could imagine a cell-phone application that tells you the color at a crosshair in the camera input in a couple of different color models and using closest-match simple words like "pink" or "reddish pink". Then you could find out the true color of something just by whipping out your cell phone.

    6. Re:Cerebral achromatopsia by am+2k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are some nature paintings from color-blind people. Those are very enlightening, they don't look like nature at all for non-color blind people like me.

  7. Impossible to imagine by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As someone who is color-blind (severely red/green), this news just astounds me.

    The basic fact is that I have no idea, no point of reference to even understand what it is I don't see. It is impossible for me to imagine what "Purple" actually is, since to me it is merely a dark blue. Not hard to imagine, like an unusual experience is, but as far as I'm concerned impossible to imagine.

    Until seeing this article today, I had assumed that I would never be able to understand what most people saw. Having the possibility open up is simply mind-blowing. Imagine what kind of leap that would be for more serious conditions like actual blindness.

    1. Re:Impossible to imagine by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gene therapy is really the only actual proper cure for genetic defects know to man. And I think in retrospect, we will see it as one of the greatest inventions ever.

      I mean imagine the possibilities, if you can change any genetics in your body at will!
      Sure, as always, there will be downsides, and there will be a "early alpha" phase. But what we get far surpasses anything bad! And besides: Who will try to stop every human on the planet form doing research in that area or using that knowledge? ^^

      The first thing that I will do, is add the "can't get fat" mutation that my brother has. :D

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    2. Re:Impossible to imagine by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's nice to see someone else that thinks the color purple is a conspiracy that all the "normal" vision carry out on us. I can't tell you how many "purple" shirts my daughter has convinced me to buy. There is no such thing as "purple" it's all a conspiracy.

    3. Re:Impossible to imagine by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      As someone who is color-blind (severely red/green), this news just astounds me. The basic fact is that I have no idea, no point of reference to even understand what it is I don't see. It is impossible for me to imagine what "Purple" actually is...

      I suppose for us color-enabled people, an analogy might be trying to comprehend what it feels like to have a vagina.

      Then again, for slashdot, merely what it's like to touch one :-)
           

  8. Re:biotech rocks by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That'd be a visit from our mutual friend the "risk/reward ratio"(Actually "Perceived risk/Perceived reward; but that is always the case).

    Shockingly enough, people are willing to take larger risks to solve more serious problems, and for most of the people who object to GM crops, some previously incurable disease is a much larger problem than food supply, which is already good and solved if you have the money.

  9. Re:We prefer to be called "Chromatically Challenge by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They wouldn't let me join the army because I am "color blind". No-one mentioned this to me when I was in Cadets, and it's not like the topic didn't come up. I remember one day we all lined up in front of a field:

    Instructor: Right. Everyone, listen up. Today we are doing a sweep search exercise. Hidden in this field are 6 soldiers, all highly trained in the skill of camouflage. You will form a single line, one arm length seperation, and walk this field. Be attentive, they may be right in front of them and you won't see them.

    [I raise my hand]

    Instructor: Yes cadet, what is it?

    Me: Do you mean [pointing] that guy, that guy, that guy, that guy, that guy, and that lady?

    Instructor: [Sigh]. Ok smart-ass, you're dismissed. Everyone else, turn around while we reconfigure.

    But hey, at least they won't draft me.

     

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  10. Re:biotech rocks by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ditto here. I saw the article at discovery dot com today, and read it. Man, it would be GREAT to get a shot or six, and start seeing all those colors people SAY that they see. I could swear that people are involved in a conspiracy to convince people like me that we're nuts. Purple, lilac, lavender, and a whole lot of others are ALL THE SAME!!

    Oddly enough, the little sample color vision chart they stuck in the article? I was able to see the eye in it. Not real clearly, but when I read the tag caption, I was able to see the eye. The real charts just don't work, though.

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  11. Re:biotech rocks by Miamicanes · · Score: 4, Informative

    > Could you imagine being able to see halfway down the IR spectrum, or well past UV on the other end

    IR might be do-able, but UV is almost structurally impossible for the human eye to meaningfully view. The spectral peak of "blue" cones is actually closer to violet than blue. If you look at a sensitivity curve for human blue cones, you'll notice that its peak is just slightly above violet, and its lower third is simply chopped off or attenuated away. The problem is the cornea -- it blocks most UV light. What the cornea doesn't block, the fluid inside the eye absorbs and scatters. There have been reports that people who've had cataract surgery are able to perceive UV as hazy, diffuse "purplish-yellow" light. The idea that something can be purple and yellow is strange, but not as crazy as it sounds when you consider that the color we call "purple" is NOTHING like spectral violet, and is actually an artifact of human vision caused by a nonlinear slope in blue sensitivity. There's a tiny area where the upper end of blue overlaps with the lower end of red, with a small ripple in blue that introduces just enough error in that region to make purple possible.

    There's another problem: chromatic aberration. Ever notice that you can make a fake 3d-like pic using pure red and pure blue, so the blue parts seem to be floating in space compared to the red? That's chromatic aberration at work. The cornea can only focus light from a relatively narrow band. The lower you go, the less-focused the light would be. Similar distortion would become problematic in the infrared range, though not as quickly as at the blue end.

  12. You know what they say: by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Monkey see, monkey blue"